Topic: Tennis: US Open 2020 (Read 471 times)

Even though Zverev lost the momentum, at the same time Thiem didn't lose hope and showed commitment that he could come back from behind and win. I think Zverev was not able to handle the big match pressure of the final. He only had to won a single set out of the last three but couldn't manage to do so.

Not sure how Zverev lost momentum in the third set but it was not all about Thiem winning, it was also about Zverev not taking his chances, Zverev served for the championship and both players also broke each other in that all important fifth set.

Well done to both players

Alexander Zverev won the semi final match coming from behind and in the final Dominic Thiem replicated the same and won the tournament. After the first two sets i did not expect Dominic Thiem to win the match but he was able to someone regain his composure and his will to win in the absence of the big three it was the perfect circumstance.
 
@ eaLiTy your prediction of Alexander Zverev getting exhausted coming into to the final was spot on as he lost the next three sets and may be due to exhaustion.

I think this what separates the big 3 from the rest of the young guns right now. The big 3 (Djokovic, Nadal and Federer), really know how to dig deeper when it needed, and they don't melt under the pressure that's why they've become so successful.

And it looks like Thiem is getting closer or at least discovered it himself with this gruelling match against Zverev. Congratulations to Thiem for winning this years Covid-19 plague US Open 2020. And Kudos to the ITF for making sure everyone involved is safe.

Nice win and nice comeback for Thiem, he deserved the victory! Lets hope, he can take some next steps and also win the French Open (against Nadal).

If I am correct, there was only 1 positive Covid case in the US Open, which is very good. This shows that with good organisation and with the correct safety measures, you can safely organize big events.

Thiem wins 2-6 4-6 6-4 6-3 7-6 (8-6)

What a match to come from 2 sets down to win the tournament 3-2 on a tie breaker. Congratulations to Thiem who will probably replace Djokovic as world #1 at the French Open. Zverev should have won it in straight sets but lost the mental battle, even in the tie breaker he had chances but failed to capitalise and Thiem won it.

Yes credit to her, she was played off the court in the first set and lost it 6 games to 1 but fought back after having her serve broken to find herself 2 games down in the second set. Well done to Azarenka for getting this far after all she has been through.

Next up, Thiem vs Zverev starts in 25 minutes time 

The magnificent return of Osaka and a great victory.
This young girl is really not afraid of anything and has the quality and psyche needed to become the greatest tennis player.
For a long time no girl has dominated women’s tennis but Osaka can change that.
The time of Serena and her domination has obviously passed.

Osaka wins the US Open against Azarenka: 1-6 6-3 5-3

I wanted to open a dedicated thread for the US Open to keep posts on-topic rather than post have one thread dedicated to all of tennis which was started 5 years ago way back in 2015.

I think the comments posted in this thread have been good, it has good to have a discussion around the US Open in this thread.

Victoria Azarenka is a big underdog and i like the odds and there is no doubt that Naomi Osaka dropped a round from the early rounds and the theme for Naomi Osak in the tournament was dropping the second match and i wont be surprised if Victoria Azarenka becomes the champion and her theme was to drop the first round and then win the next two convincingly, over 2.5 sets is a good bet.

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Alexander Zverev played a match of his lifetime in the semi finals after dropping the first two games i thought he surrendered the match and then to come back and win was incredible but coming against the inform Dominic Thiem he might struggle and he will be exhausted with the number of hours Zverev spent in this tournament and i am picking Dominic Thiem to win.

I agree, Thiem is the one who has regularly progressed further than any other player outside of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.

I think Azarenka will definitely give it her best, she might even upset the odds and win but Osaka is definitely favourite even though Azarenka battled past S Williams.

My prediction is the same as most people, I will choose Dominic Thiem to win the final match against Alexander Zverev.
When compared from the data, Thiem's winning percentage is far superior to Zverev and Thiem's ranking is also above Zverev.
Moreover, Thiem is older than Zverev, therefore Thiem should be more experienced. So it is very likely that Thiem will be the winner.
This will makes Thiem the first Austrian tennis player to win US OPEN, if it manages to beat Zverev.

On paper it was easy win for Thiem who won all 3 sets in under 3 hours, and Medvedev compared him with top level players like Djokovic, Federer and Nadal.
This was Thiem 3rd time win against Medvedev.

WTA Osaka - Azarenka
All odds are on Naomi Osaka side also won and last two h2h matches against Azarenka.
Osaka win again for me here.

Thiem has the best chances to win, but I hope that Zverev will win. I placed a bet on him to win the US Open (@33)  . Of all the young talents out there, Thiem has made the most progression given his results at the grand slams. If he would be able to win the French Open against Nadal, than maybe the era of the big 3 is over ?!

Today Osake will play against Azarenka for the title and I am slightly leaning towards Azarenka. I think it will be a closer match, than the bookies expect, so I placed a bet at over 2.5 sets (@2.3).

Thiem and Zverev are best friends on and off the tour. it will be an emotional rollercoaster for them both but Thiem will probably win this match and claim his first Grand Slam. To be fair Thiem certainly deserves it because he has been knocking on the door a long time now.

Here is Thiem recent Grand Slam record and the reason why I think he will win the US Open:

2016: French Open semi-final (lost to Djokovic)
2017: French Open semi-final (lost to Nadal)
2018: French Open finalist (lost to Nadal)
2019: French Open finalist (lost to Nadal)
2020: Australian Open finalist (lost to Djokovic)
2020: US Open finalist

Thiem has already beaten Djokovic and Nadal at Grand Slams and is finally at the age of 27 on his way to becoming a multiple Grand Slam winner. His record at the French Open shows he will be second favourite behind Nadal to win it and he already made the Australian Open final in 2020.

did not expected that, Zverev to play five sets, and Thiem to play only three
but when you have a deep look on the stats and on the match, Zverev was not that present in first two sets, so he actually beat Busta in three sets, from 0:2 to 3:2, and Thiem had a much harder task with two tie-breaks, that are certainly brought additional self-confidence for both of them

it will be an interesting final, both have similar chances IMO, but i will put something on Alex, and see where this is going to go

@JollyGood Zverev vs Thiem is the dream finale for this tournament, and I believe that this match will be really long, because both will badly want to win this tournament, and they won’t give up till the very end. Also I agree with your prediction as I too believe that Thiem has an excellent chance of winning this tournament, but then again we should not underestimate Zverev too because he definitely has the potential to defeat Thiem.

Source:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-8724925/Dominic-Thiem-sets-Open-final-Alexander-Zverev-win-Danill-Medvedev.html

OP updated - congratulations to the US Open finalists:

Osaka vs Azarenka

Zverev vs Thiem

I would say Osaka and Thiem would be eventual winners.

It makes whole lot of difference because right now if Djokovic never wins another Grand Slam then he only has himself to blame. Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev are chasing down Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.


I respect your views but disagree. Just look at the rankings. Add 2000 ranking points to the winner and 1200 to the runner up, when looking at Thiem and Medvedev, one of them will be the winner or runner-up and will get those points. Nadal will be back at the French Open and maybe Federer again so I cannot see Djokovic overtaking Federer as most weeks at #1 position of the rankings












The issue is as simple as this, Djokovic must win more Grand Slams to catch Nadal and then one more to catch Federer and then another one to go one ahead whereas Nadal and Federer do not have to win any more to catch Djokovic because they are ahead.

The onus is on Djokovic to win and the pressure is on him too. Though you and others might disagree I think this was his best and last real chance of winning a Grand Slam because Federer and Nadal were not in the picture but I cannot see him winning another because Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev and to a degree Tsitsipas will be pushing for titles. At 33 years of age Djokovic will be fortunate to reach another Grand Slam semi-final with these players in the chasing pack. Just my opinion.






 

why would one grand slam make such a difference so that cannot catch Nadal or Federer at the top with the number of grand slams?
he would catch Federer with the number of weeks at the top of ATP list, and will fight with Nadal for number of grand slams, since it is more chances for Nadal to win another one/two RG, than Federer to win any tournament

OP updated

OP updated

Those are the words from the actual rulebook so to be fair Djokovic had to be disqualified for the integrity of the rules to be upheld.


I agree with McEnroe, this will affect Djokovic especially if he fails to win another Grand Slam, he is 33 years old after all and he will probably never catch Nadal who is in #2 in overall Grand Slam wins and Djokovic will probably be unable to catch Federer who is #1 on all time Grand Slam wins. If that remains then it will haunt Djokovic because both Nadal and Federer were his biggest obstacles in the US Open this year but both decided to not participate.

Federer hit the ball to the ball boy in order for him to catch it but the net post was obscuring the view the ball boy and the ball hit his shoulder. If the kid was actually looking at the where Federer was hitting the ball then he would have caught it but he looked away after Federer hits it. Seems to me the net post blocking his eye line is the only explanation why he was hit but Federer did nothing against the rules hence why he was not fined or disqualified.

Its kinda strange seeing this year results and maybe we see a new winner for the Men US open for this year. Good thing is that the tournament is taking place and is not postponed like many other major tournaments because of pandemic.

Thanks for the explanation, if we just take a look at the actions of Djokovic without any context of the rules the disqualification could seem excessive for anyone not acquainted with them, but after reading the text then it is obvious why he was disqualified, it is a shame this happened but he has no one else to blame but himself for this incident, but on the long term it should be not be too big of a deal, I think he already apologized, as he should, for this incident and all of this will just be a bad memory for him with no long term repercussions.

It was a surprise for Nole to get DQ'd out of the tournament from that mess up with a ball hitting an empire in the throat.
As Zverev said during his post match interview he mentioned if the ball was hit just an inch differently it wouldn't be such an incident of happening.
Just severely unlucky for Djokovic, I would have to say because as he had mentioned, the lines person moved into the balls path at the last second.
I am not sure as I haven't looked at the video too closely but there are certainly alot of different angles with all the phone footage as well.

Biggest surprise on the Men side for me was Tsitsipas. With the disqualification of Djokovic, he had an unique chance to win his first slam, but failed in the early rounds already.
Zverev and Carreno Busta are through to the semi finals. Other semi final will normally be Thiem vs Medvedev.

I also feel for Djokovic, if he had won the tournament he would have closed the gap on Nadal and Federer for Grand Slams. He will have to wait to see if he will at 33 win another major, ever.


Kenin was so sure she would get through, most people would have had her as their favourite. The tournament this year has many surprises along with the long list of players that pulled out before it started.

Jollygood, I fully agree with you. Rules need to be the same for everyone, even if you are number 1. All fellow tennis players also mentioned that disqualification was correct.

On a different note: impressive win of Elise Mertens against Kenin! Didn't expect it, but hopefully she can continue like this!

Here is the video clearly showing what Djokovic did. Disqualification was the only appropriate outcome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aj4yEPL8qk


Yes it was a very reckless act and whether the line judge was exaggerating or not, Djokovic deserved to be disqualified because anything less than that would have been a travesty.


He tried his best to not get disqualified but he broke the rules and he deserved the $10,000 fine and deserves the fact his $250,000 earnings in the US Open will be withheld and he also deserves to lose his ranking points earned in the US Open tournament. That should serve as a deterrent to player that wants to break the rules.

It is only afterwards that he defended the judge online. At first, he didn't really accept his disqualification given his 10 minute chat with the judge. For any other player, there wouldn't even be a discussion. Furthermore, he didn't went afterwards to the press conference, so I can understand these media headlines.

I've been out of the tennis loop for a while but had to check what's the fuss on Djokovic. I watched the video and it seems unintentional but it was reckless of him to hit the ball that high towards an official. He could have hit it low and let the ball roll over. The disqualification is warranted.


You might want to reread the rule provided by @JollyGood. Angry or not; Honest mistake or not, the act was reckless.

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First US Grand Slam QF without Federer, Nadal, Muray, and Djoker?

With Djokovic out of the game - US Opens lost half of its charm, at least to me! It's a shame that media is propagating this news in a very wrong light. Whatever happened, it was an accident and wasn't intentional at all. He threw the ball outside the court out of frustration and it hit the line judge. See the video below,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRuu2-VIw5o

Now when you say "Djokovic disqualified for hitting a ball against a line judge", it takes the matter to a negative side which is actually incorrect!

I really want to see another match between Daniil Medvedev VS Novak Djokovic but that disqualification had ruined that, I really think that both players would give us a matchup that is really amazing and accurate play, but well in my opinion Novak Djokovic doesn't really want to hit the judge if you would look on another angle he is not looking while hitting the ball towards the line judge and realized it late but that was the rules, I can feel that Daniil Medvedev has a huge chance in winning this.

I can understand why you disagree but the fact he unintentionally hit the line judge is not a valid argument. The fact remains he hit the ball behind him without looking where the ball was going and he had no reason whatsoever to do it and that is reckless behaviour according to the rules. If a player had done the same thing while in the middle of a rally while trying to get the ball back over the net to their opponent then it would have been never have resulted in him being disqualified.

The Grand Slam rules state: "Players shall not at any time physically abuse any official, opponent, spectator or other person within the precincts of the tournament site. The referee, in consultation with the Grand Slam chief of supervisors may declare a default for either a single violation of this code."

And the rulebook states players shall not hit the ball: "....dangerously or recklessly within the court, or with negligent disregard of the consequences"

As a result of this incident Djokovic has also been fined $10,000, he will also have to forfeit his $250,000 earnings in the US Open and he will also lose his ranking points earned in the tournament.

@swogerino most of the big names had opted not to participate in the US open, and the remaining big ones including Djokovic are out of this tournament, hence I’m not sure which big names were you searching for?. @JollyGood I disagree because it was an unintentional mistake, and he didn’t deserve to be disqualified from the tournament.

Sources:

https://www.essentiallysports.com/list-of-players-missing-at-the-us-open-2020-atp-wta-tennis-news/

https://globalnews.ca/video/7319928/novak-djokovic-out-of-u-s-open-after-unintentionally-hitting-judge-with-ball

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Yes there are not real big names left in the draw. Djokovic has nobody but himself to blame for getting disqualified. I would not be surprised if Medvedev wins his first grand slam at the US Open.

why did you open new topic for US Open, and from the quarter-final, there is a topic for tennis, where US Open was discussed?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tennis-league-all-thread-1200104

there is not much comments there daily, but i do not see why do you expect that there will be more if you call your thread US Open 2020?

I was trying to find the big names in the men category and failed to do so.It looks like a lot of surprise results has happened that now the quarter finalists are not that well known names.It is a real shame that Djokovic got disqualified for hitting a line judge.He is actually nr1 in the rankings if things have not changed fast and I am not aware of.

MEN'S SINGLES - FINALS

Zverev vs Thiem

Thiem comes back from 0-2 set down to win his first Grand Slam: "I dedicated basically my whole life until this point to win one. Now I did it. That’s for myself, my team and family, a great accomplishment. Today is the day where I gave back huge amount of what they did for me"







WOMEN'S SINGLES - FINALS

Osaka vs Azarenka

Osaka wins the US Open against Azarenka: 1-6 6-3 5-3




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WOMEN'S SINGLES - SEMI-FINALS

Brady vs Osaka
S Williams vs Azarenka




MEN'S SINGLES - SEMI-FINALS

Zverev vs Carreno Busta
Thiem vs Medvedev


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WOMEN'S SINGLES - QUARTER-FINALS

Brady vs Putintseva
Osaka vs Rogers
Pironkova vs S Williams
Azarenka vs Mertens





MEN'S SINGLES - QUARTER-FINALS

Coric vs A Zverev
Carreno Busta vs Shapovalov
de Minaur vs Thiem
Rublev vs Medvedev



For the women, I would say Osaka is favourite just ahead of Azarenka.
For the men, I would Medvedev is favourite just ahead of Zverev.