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Topic: Terra cofounder Do Kwon is the one who is pumping Bitcoin - page 4. (Read 2455 times)

legendary
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@buwaytress. Agreed. I speculate that each of their company's' performance during the bear market, a coming economic crisis, Ukraine invasion and there is the risk of China's invasion of Taiwan might not be very good. There is also China's defense ministry. He has already warned that America and their allies should avoid the Taiwan Strait or there will be war.

I predict Saylor liquidation fud to begin if bitcoin dumps under $20k and cause more panic.

Except that now he seems to have backtracked somewhat and said that the danger is really not as significant as -- think 3 days ago, I saw the full transcript on phone and he said a lot of things that didn't seem to add up

Takeaways: plenty of assets left to collateralise, margin call wouldn't happen below 21k, and he's leveraged 1.04, so would need 95% drop of purchase price (so that's $2000) to get in trouble.

But I don't know, was a rough interview and vague as hell.

What he said is true. They have the assets to add more to their leveraged position if bitcoin dumps further, however, assuming that the asset is also bitcoin or stocks of Microstrategy would this really be the best decision as an investor? Everyone else is beginning to deleverage and Saylor will add more leverage? This is head shaking.

I expect crypto, like stocks to retract. But for some reason i hope Saylor will survive this bear market.
We've had so many idiots associated with crypto; Mcafee, Musk, Garza, Da Kown, it's good to have a normal person, a business person, being associated with crypto right?

I also hope Saylor survives this bear market. If he was liquidated this will certainly cause a dump lower than $5000 if some articles from mainstream news media are correct in their reports that his liquidation price is around $3000. This will also be very bad for business in the cryptospace.
legendary
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I expect crypto, like stocks to retract. But for some reason i hope Saylor will survive this bear market.
We've had so many idiots associated with crypto; Mcafee, Musk, Garza, Da Kown, it's good to have a normal person, a business person, being associated with crypto right?

New faces come to the crypto market every time and they try many things but fail. Elon Musk is another name that has tried to make a lot of impact in the crypto market and he has taken advantage of it. Such people will keep coming as time goes on and we have to see their nonsense activities. Micro strategy took entry into the market at a time when the bull market, I do not know if it was the decision of their financial advisor or the decision of the CEO to take entry at a high price!

Just an idea based on what I think I know about the american system....

Buy high with a long term horizon
Get a tax deduction on the losses you can spread over the years to come
It goes back up an you have profit and low taxes
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I expect crypto, like stocks to retract. But for some reason i hope Saylor will survive this bear market.
We've had so many idiots associated with crypto; Mcafee, Musk, Garza, Da Kown, it's good to have a normal person, a business person, being associated with crypto right?

New faces come to the crypto market every time and they try many things but fail. Elon Musk is another name that has tried to make a lot of impact in the crypto market and he has taken advantage of it. Such people will keep coming as time goes on and we have to see their nonsense activities. Micro strategy took entry into the market at a time when the bull market, I do not know if it was the decision of their financial advisor or the decision of the CEO to take entry at a high price!
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@buwaytress. Agreed. I speculate that each of their company's' performance during the bear market, a coming economic crisis, Ukraine invasion and there is the risk of China's invasion of Taiwan might not be very good. There is also China's defense ministry. He has already warned that America and their allies should avoid the Taiwan Strait or there will be war.

I predict Saylor liquidation fud to begin if bitcoin dumps under $20k and cause more panic.
Except that now he seems to have backtracked somewhat and said that the danger is really not as significant as -- think 3 days ago, I saw the full transcript on phone and he said a lot of things that didn't seem to add up

Takeaways: plenty of assets left to collateralise, margin call wouldn't happen below 21k, and he's leveraged 1.04, so would need 95% drop of purchase price (so that's $2000) to get in trouble.

But I don't know, was a rough interview and vague as hell.
Another thing about him is that whenever he says something, we doubt him, he could be saying the truth or he could be telling a lie and we wouldn't know. This is why it's hard for Luna to comeback, not because it is a bad coin or a project or anything like that, at the hands of someone everyone trusts it could recover even after all of what has happened.

But as we all know, nobody really trusts Do Kwon after what happened, and that is why it's clear to me that Luna will never recover, because people do not want to invest into something he is involved with anymore. Leverage or not, truth or not, if we doubt what he is saying, then what he does doesn't matter anymore.
legendary
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Anyway he's just as guilty as Bernie Madoff for projecting false profits and blowing up.

I also think that this is so, especially since according to the investigation conducted by Uppsala Security, the wallet that caused the collapse of UST belonged to Terraform Labs, so investors suffered losses due to the actions of Terra.

https://sentinel-protocol.medium.com/part-1-debunking-the-lunatic-conspiracy-what-you-didnt-know-about-the-activities-behind-the-57227b75d5a6
I did not know that the actions taken were by Tera itself, I always assumed that it was mainly by some other attacker that came in and found a way to make more profit as it got lower and lower, so I was assuming that there was a hacker that took care of this. Maybe I was wrong, and I understand that now, and the research is very precious since it is showing what we didn't know.

But at the same time, I have to say that there is a good case to be made about the fact that these were just some project owners that we invested our money to. Which means that, there are hundreds of these type of projects out there, even if Do Kwon is guilty, we are still doing it to other projects.

I hope that some of these people get harsh punishments just to set an example for others attempting to con others by not having enough collateral.
legendary
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What he said is true. They have the assets to add more to their leveraged position if bitcoin dumps further, however, assuming that the asset is also bitcoin or stocks of Microstrategy would this really be the best decision as an investor? Everyone else is beginning to deleverage and Saylor will add more leverage? This is head shaking.

Well if he didn't margin call today, I'd say he'd be bullshitting though. But yeah, supposedly the balance sheet was mostly BTC already so he's going to be puffing heavy at his board to convince them to further shore up the bet with even more Bitcoin. It was a risky gamble already and while I'm firmly a Bitcoin hold kind of guy, I'm really not sure it's wise to chase with even more Bitcoin...

We've had so many idiots associated with crypto; Mcafee, Musk, Garza, Da Kown, it's good to have a normal person, a business person, being associated with crypto right?

Not sure I'd classify Saylor as normal... but aren't all us forum folks a collective representative of regular people? I've been doing so many Bitcoin-related small businesses/organisations, all Bitcoin-run and salaried. Granted, mostly have failed (commercially haha) but I'm still a freelancer earning in Bitcoin, and still enjoy trying out and self-funding new projects, again exclusively with Bitcoin.
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@buwaytress. Agreed. I speculate that each of their company's' performance during the bear market, a coming economic crisis, Ukraine invasion and there is the risk of China's invasion of Taiwan might not be very good. There is also China's defense ministry. He has already warned that America and their allies should avoid the Taiwan Strait or there will be war.

I predict Saylor liquidation fud to begin if bitcoin dumps under $20k and cause more panic.

Except that now he seems to have backtracked somewhat and said that the danger is really not as significant as -- think 3 days ago, I saw the full transcript on phone and he said a lot of things that didn't seem to add up

Takeaways: plenty of assets left to collateralise, margin call wouldn't happen below 21k, and he's leveraged 1.04, so would need 95% drop of purchase price (so that's $2000) to get in trouble.

But I don't know, was a rough interview and vague as hell.

What he said is true. They have the assets to add more to their leveraged position if bitcoin dumps further, however, assuming that the asset is also bitcoin or stocks of Microstrategy would this really be the best decision as an investor? Everyone else is beginning to deleverage and Saylor will add more leverage? This is head shaking.

I expect crypto, like stocks to retract. But for some reason i hope Saylor will survive this bear market.
We've had so many idiots associated with crypto; Mcafee, Musk, Garza, Da Kown, it's good to have a normal person, a business person, being associated with crypto right?
legendary
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@buwaytress. Agreed. I speculate that each of their company's' performance during the bear market, a coming economic crisis, Ukraine invasion and there is the risk of China's invasion of Taiwan might not be very good. There is also China's defense ministry. He has already warned that America and their allies should avoid the Taiwan Strait or there will be war.

I predict Saylor liquidation fud to begin if bitcoin dumps under $20k and cause more panic.

Except that now he seems to have backtracked somewhat and said that the danger is really not as significant as -- think 3 days ago, I saw the full transcript on phone and he said a lot of things that didn't seem to add up

Takeaways: plenty of assets left to collateralise, margin call wouldn't happen below 21k, and he's leveraged 1.04, so would need 95% drop of purchase price (so that's $2000) to get in trouble.

But I don't know, was a rough interview and vague as hell.

What he said is true. They have the assets to add more to their leveraged position if bitcoin dumps further, however, assuming that the asset is also bitcoin or stocks of Microstrategy would this really be the best decision as an investor? Everyone else is beginning to deleverage and Saylor will add more leverage? This is head shaking.
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Anyway he's just as guilty as Bernie Madoff for projecting false profits and blowing up.

I also think that this is so, especially since according to the investigation conducted by Uppsala Security, the wallet that caused the collapse of UST belonged to Terraform Labs, so investors suffered losses due to the actions of Terra.

https://sentinel-protocol.medium.com/part-1-debunking-the-lunatic-conspiracy-what-you-didnt-know-about-the-activities-behind-the-57227b75d5a6
I did not know that the actions taken were by Tera itself, I always assumed that it was mainly by some other attacker that came in and found a way to make more profit as it got lower and lower, so I was assuming that there was a hacker that took care of this. Maybe I was wrong, and I understand that now, and the research is very precious since it is showing what we didn't know.

But at the same time, I have to say that there is a good case to be made about the fact that these were just some project owners that we invested our money to. Which means that, there are hundreds of these type of projects out there, even if Do Kwon is guilty, we are still doing it to other projects.
legendary
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@buwaytress. Agreed. I speculate that each of their company's' performance during the bear market, a coming economic crisis, Ukraine invasion and there is the risk of China's invasion of Taiwan might not be very good. There is also China's defense ministry. He has already warned that America and their allies should avoid the Taiwan Strait or there will be war.

I predict Saylor liquidation fud to begin if bitcoin dumps under $20k and cause more panic.

Except that now he seems to have backtracked somewhat and said that the danger is really not as significant as -- think 3 days ago, I saw the full transcript on phone and he said a lot of things that didn't seem to add up

Takeaways: plenty of assets left to collateralise, margin call wouldn't happen below 21k, and he's leveraged 1.04, so would need 95% drop of purchase price (so that's $2000) to get in trouble.

But I don't know, was a rough interview and vague as hell.
legendary
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@buwaytress. Agreed. I speculate that each of their company's' performance during the bear market, a coming economic crisis, Ukraine invasion and there is the risk of China's invasion of Taiwan might not be very good. There is also China's defense ministry. He has already warned that America and their allies should avoid the Taiwan Strait or there will be war.

I predict Saylor liquidation fud to begin if bitcoin dumps under $20k and cause more panic.

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^ Combined 1.5B losses doesn't sound as bad as how much the last big stablecoin lost in pure BTC reserves.

Definitely more hurt for Saylor and far, far less for Elon ... when considering how much Tesla/MicroStrategy stocks themselves lost in the same period MS lost over $4B (still can't believe this guy put so much in BTC), Tesla over $500B, in just 2 months! Too lazy to look up how much shares of own company each personally has.

They definitely got tears in multiple buckets, not just BTC.
legendary
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@buwaytress. It is okay to laugh hehe. I admitted my mistake in this thread on page 6, however. It might be because the bear market was beginning and any good news was what hyped me without being my usual skeptical self hehehe.

You also want to laugh at something? Justin Sun has declared that he will buy bitcoin to use as the backing for his own stablecoin USDD.

@bbc.reporter heh yeah, it's just so easy to shoot yourself in the foot when making predictions, analyses etc. Saw that Bitcoin dipped all the way to $21k earlier today, that was Saylor's margin call point, wasn't it? Know if he lost anything or did he dump in more collateral.

Bitcoin reserves to protect a stablecoin peg... hmm, where have I heard that debacle before? Funnier is probably that the model has been tried, tested and proven to fail many times!

He might not have been margin called yet, however, if an investor begins to put more collateral to maintain a leveraged position, this is a warning sign. We should not forget that he used his company to issue debt to fund the bitcoin investment. He pays monthly interests for this debt.

I am not worred about Michael Saylor, however. Elon might be quicker to decide if he wants Tesla to begin selling their investment in bitcoin on a loss.



Tesla and MicroStrategy lost a lump sum amount during the current bear market. Both companies are prominent investors in the crypto market, with billions invested in bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

The two massive bitcoin and crypto holders are down by nearly $1.5 billion in combined losses. According to the data by Bitcointreasuries, Microstrategy’s, and Tesla’s bitcoin holdings, 130,000 and 43,000 are worth way below the initial purchase amount.


Source https://watcher.guru/news/heres-how-many-billions-elon-musk-and-michael-saylor-are-down-from-the-current-crypto-crash
legendary
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Anyway he's just as guilty as Bernie Madoff for projecting false profits and blowing up.

I also think that this is so, especially since according to the investigation conducted by Uppsala Security, the wallet that caused the collapse of UST belonged to Terraform Labs, so investors suffered losses due to the actions of Terra.

https://sentinel-protocol.medium.com/part-1-debunking-the-lunatic-conspiracy-what-you-didnt-know-about-the-activities-behind-the-57227b75d5a6
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@buwaytress. It is okay to laugh hehe. I admitted my mistake in this thread on page 6, however. It might be because the bear market was beginning and any good news was what hyped me without being my usual skeptical self hehehe.

You also want to laugh at something? Justin Sun has declared that he will buy bitcoin to use as the backing for his own stablecoin USDD.

@bbc.reporter heh yeah, it's just so easy to shoot yourself in the foot when making predictions, analyses etc. Saw that Bitcoin dipped all the way to $21k earlier today, that was Saylor's margin call point, wasn't it? Know if he lost anything or did he dump in more collateral.

Bitcoin reserves to protect a stablecoin peg... hmm, where have I heard that debacle before? Funnier is probably that the model has been tried, tested and proven to fail many times!
legendary
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@buwaytress. It is okay to laugh hehe. I admitted my mistake in this thread on page 6, however. It might be because the bear market was beginning and any good news was what hyped me without being my usual skeptical self hehehe.

You also want to laugh at something? Justin Sun has declared that he will buy bitcoin to use as the backing for his own stablecoin USDD.



To maintain the USDD algorithmic stablecoin, the TRON DAO Reserve continues to purchase BTC and TRX. The TRON DAO Reserve moved USDT via Binance Exchange to purchase more BTC and TRX as a reserve for USDD, according to Justin Sun.

Source https://coinquora.com/justin-sun-100m-usdt-was-used-to-buy-btc-and-trx-as-a-reserve/

@Daltonik. If there are institutional investors in America who lost their money in Anchor, I speculate that he will be exrtradited and he will be on trial in an American courthouse.
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Man this did not age well, or shall we say, it aged terribly badly, terribly quickly!

Not laughing at your expense, bbc, I know I've stucky opinion into holes plenty so I am pot enough to not call out the kettle but yeah, he bought a lot, but it did not budge the market at the time.

Selling it shouldn't have either yet the BTC reserve selloff was roundly blamed or at least partially for the crash in BTC.

This. This is why all the Saylor and Bukele buys to me will never do much to lift prices.

That is the tough reality of markets. Few Fomo buy on the coattails of whale buys. But whale sells? Panic!!
legendary
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Now Terraform Labs CEO Do Kwon is quite actively rejecting accusations that he cashed out $2.7 billion from LUNA and UST, according to rumors, he has been doing this for 3 years for $80 million monthly, according to @FatManTerra.
Do Kwon himself calls these accusations nothing more than rumors and urges to be restrained until the situation is fully clarified, I really would like the law enforcement agencies of South Korea to work hard on the investigation.

Or ask North Korea to help extract the info  Wink

Anyway he's just as guilty as Bernie Madoff for projecting false profits and blowing up.
legendary
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Now Terraform Labs CEO Do Kwon is quite actively rejecting accusations that he cashed out $2.7 billion from LUNA and UST, according to rumors, he has been doing this for 3 years for $80 million monthly, according to @FatManTerra.
Do Kwon himself calls these accusations nothing more than rumors and urges to be restrained until the situation is fully clarified, I really would like the law enforcement agencies of South Korea to work hard on the investigation.
legendary
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Do Kwon will certainly go to prison for this.
I don't think there is any law against creating shitcoins otherwise there would be thousands of shitcoin creators from ethereum founders to AKIHIKO (that's the shitcoin at the bottom of CMC list LOL) would have been in jail.
Basically they created a useless garbage, idiots who refused to listed to the rest of us bought it and they ended up losing money as we predicted.

However, after what has occured where there was around $45 billion of value erased, the regulators might find a reason to begin investigating this. It might arguable to say if it was intended to be a scam but Luna can also be charged as a ponzi scheme and regulators will use all the powers they have to put anyone involved in creating this in prison.

Do Kwon is also being invited to attend a meeting of South Korea's national assembly for questioning.
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