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October 13, 2024, 11:49:53 AM
#19

What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society? Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?

Invention is something that would happen whether everybody is in support of it or not and this is nothing compare to the kind of things that would be invented in the future because Tesla is ready to do that, meanwhile in terms of becoming a threat through taking away human jobs I don't think it will really hapen because one thing about technology is that as it keeps evolving that's how is bringing new things and new ways for people to earn money and don't be doubt there would even come a time when we would not even have to stress ourselves to look for any work because everything will be right in front of us to utilize.
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October 13, 2024, 11:06:15 AM
#18
robot + AI brain = work force

Take a look at "universal basic income", that's where this is going.

Indeed. Society transitioning to a Universal Basic Income is one of the main things happening behind the scenes. Oregon is even voting on giving themselves a basic income this election. Liberals have learned they can vote themselves money. We’re in the endgame now… Make sure you have value outside of the dollar…
legendary
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October 13, 2024, 06:35:54 AM
#17
robot + AI brain = work force

Take a look at "universal basic income", that's where this is going.

The robot tech race will begin, water proofing, construction workers, skin suits and bullet proof.

AI tech race too, robot brains will have licensing, registrations and certifications...

example: a robot is a licensed attorney by tesla software inc. and is yearly updated in law matters like a virus software. It can do notary works. So tesla software inc has now taken human attorneys jobs...doctors, accountants, care givers..even the dirty work, model T-500 is water proof, you can buy welder AI add-on for 2000$ and it will now do metal works. How about T-800 with stainless metal and plates for bullet proofing, the city can purchase this as special unit called "terminators" LOL

A lot of people are fucked they just don't know it yet, makes sense why the world is getting injected with poison vaccines because human resources are becoming "excess resources".

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October 12, 2024, 07:43:31 PM
#16
After using the full self driving on my Cybertruck for a couple weeks now I can say that without a doubt Tesla will make this a successful product. I think people who haven’t been in a new Tesla don’t realize how advanced they are. There are still people who think full self driving isn’t wildly successful, saying idiotic things like they’re geofenced.

It's weird how you reply to my post without quoting it and distort what I said.

Tesla FSD is SAE level 2 system, which requires driver presence. They literally added "supervised" to the title, probably hoping to avoid getting sued LOL. Basically this means you're not supposed take your eyes off the road, and there are many FSD videos out there showing why. It is unlikely to make it past level 2 due to lack of an alternative system in case the primary system (i.e cameras) fails. It requires the human driver to be its backup by design.

Most advanced systems currently are at level 4 (e.g. Waymo taxis) where driver is not required - these systems are redundant and in the worst case can safely stop the vehicle on their own if there is a major issue. These systems are geofenced.

Highest level system available for purchase is AFAIK sold by Mercedes on some of their models, which is level 3, geofenced and otherwise quite limited, allowing the driver to take eyes off the road in some conditions but the driver is still required to take over if requested.

I hope it clears up your confusion arising from your erroneous assumption that FSD is the best implementation of a self-driving system.
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October 12, 2024, 05:40:27 PM
#15
After using the full self driving on my Cybertruck for a couple weeks now I can say that without a doubt Tesla will make this a successful product. I think people who haven’t been in a new Tesla don’t realize how advanced they are. There are still people who think full self driving isn’t wildly successful, saying idiotic things like they’re geofenced. LOL. Don’t listen to morons like this. Optimus will be wildly successful and a big part of that will be their humanoid appearance enabling them to instantly be compatible with all tools made for humans. You either get it, or you probably voted for Joe Biden.
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October 12, 2024, 04:37:24 PM
#14
I am now curious on your opinions about the actual capabilities these robots could have in the future and whether they could render human labor obsolete. Because it is actually a real fear I have of the future.

They could become let's say 90% human-capable... it's that last 10% that will make it extremely expensive (you'll have to create some special environment for them to operate) or impossible to fully replace humans. Think of self-driving cars and how overhyped it's been for the last 10-15 years and still the best current implementations are geofenced and buggy. Probably not even 90% there yet. And that's just one of many human activities.

Corporations, specially the big ones in Europe and the United States are all in saving operating costs, and if they need to replace human beings for the sake of profit, I have no doubt they will start doing it as soon as it becomes cheaper to have those machines instead of a team of people working for them.

Again, automation has been very successfully replacing humans for a long time, just not with humanoid robots, and that will continue. I don't think we're anywhere near the point where the remaining non-automated tasks absolutely require an upright 6 ft tall robot, with two legs, two arms, and all other humanoid attributes... I don't think we'll ever get there.

Also, there are people calling for regulation on the use of this technology to protect the jobs of people, but those in favor or full automation say government should not get in the way technological innovation.

Are we going to reach a point where people will start to replace human interaction and human contact with these machines? That kind of scares me.

Wasn't "AI" supposed to do that? Grin

Luckily it sucks so badly that no sane person would choose it over actual human interaction.

I agree, but it very much depends on the type of business. I went to a restaurant that uses robots to deliver food to the tables and did not like the experience at all. But if I could pay 30%-40% less for a bricklaying job done by a guy who uses Optimus robots instead of human helpers, I unlikely would have any problem with it.

Plus, there are plenty of small businesses that are not customer-facing, and even those that are most likely have some staff working in the background (think chefs in restaurants, cleaners etc).

Or it would just be specialized machines that each make one type of food. E.g automated pizza machines do exist. As do cleaning robots.

I think Elon Musk gave an estimate of $20k-$30k being a potential price when they get mass adoption. And yes, we're talking more about future capabilities, as I don't think they're capable/fast/reliable enough right now. And I hope they don't become good enough too soon.

According on Elon we should be colonizing Mars right now, or at least the Moon. I think it's safe to say that his promises are worthless to draw any conclusions from, until we see an actual working product and not a staged demo.
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October 12, 2024, 11:24:19 AM
#13
The same idiots who think Elon won’t be successful with Optimus were saying a year ago that the Cybertruck was vaporware. Now it’s in the hands of the people and very clearly the most advanced and amazing vehicle ever made for civilians. I doubt the Optimus will be any different. Some people can see the future, some people don’t know what bathroom to use. Everyone has a voice…
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October 12, 2024, 10:31:05 AM
#12

It doesn't look like it can do something but most probably have the brain better than a student can do. If I could buy one and get my kid a company to be with, I think I would but one.

I remember there are Chinese robots more capable of doing sophisticated task. I have no idea what Tesla Optimus can do but any robots today that can function well to do what humans can is likely what these robots meant for.
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October 12, 2024, 10:10:25 AM
#11
Even in small businesses automation takes entirely different forms. We automate bookkeeping with software, production with CNC, packing and shipping... that's a tough one, but humanoids are not the best solution here either, when it needs to scale it typically gets outsourced to something like Amazon who could possibly use warehouse automation.

They might not be *optimal* but it all boils down to the fact that Optimus robots being cheaper and more reliable than biological robots (aka humans). So when you have businesses where human labour has not yet been automated with dedicated solutions (accounting software, CNC, Amazon etc), there's a potential Optimus could fill that gap.

I doubt small businesses will want humanoid robots interacting with their customers... that's freaky and defeats most of the purpose of a small customer-facing business, which is to not be the big faceless penny-pinching corporation trying to barricade itself from those pesky humans.

I agree, but it very much depends on the type of business. I went to a restaurant that uses robots to deliver food to the tables and did not like the experience at all. But if I could pay 30%-40% less for a bricklaying job done by a guy who uses Optimus robots instead of human helpers, I unlikely would have any problem with it.
Plus, there are plenty of small businesses that are not customer-facing, and even those that are most likely have some staff working in the background (think chefs in restaurants, cleaners etc).

And I think you're grossly underestimating how much these robots would cost to acquire, train, supervise, maintain, and dispose, and how far from a real human their abilities would be, at least in the foreseeable future. There is a reason Tesla has been hyping this for years but is nowhere near a real product yet, and some other companies that have been at it for much longer and in a much more serious capacity have little more than a cool demo.

I think Elon Musk gave an estimate of $20k-$30k being a potential price when they get mass adoption. And yes, we're talking more about future capabilities, as I don't think they're capable/fast/reliable enough right now. And I hope they don't become good enough too soon.

I think they look incredible, Elon truly is a visionary. He said they will probably retail at about $30,000. Would you buy one? I probably would, once there is a reputable proof of reliability over a significant time period. It could do all the house chores, gardening, that alone is worth a good amount of money.

I probably wouldn't as I don't think delegating house choirs to a robot would have a good impact on my household, but from a purely time/money perspective - even if they were only good in cooking and cleaning, that would probably be a good investment. Assuming a minimum life of 10 years and a low-end price of $20k, you could have a personal chef and cleaner for $167/month + electricity costs. That's a good value.

Corporations, specially the big ones in Europe and the United States are all in saving operating costs, and if they need to replace human beings for the sake of profit, I have no doubt they will start doing it as soon as it becomes cheaper to have those machines instead of a team of people working for them.

This is a weird one to solve because businesses do have incentives to automate to reduce costs, but they also need people (aka customers) to earn money to be able to buy their products/services.
I think the only somewhat serious proposed solution is the unconditional income, but I have serious doubts whether that could actually work.
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October 12, 2024, 07:33:38 AM
#10
I think they look incredible, Elon truly is a visionary. He said they will probably retail at about $30,000. Would you buy one? I probably would, once there is a reputable proof of reliability over a significant time period. It could do all the house chores, gardening, that alone is worth a good amount of money.
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October 12, 2024, 07:18:47 AM
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And I think you're grossly underestimating how much these robots would cost to acquire, train, supervise, maintain, and dispose, and how far from a real human their abilities would be, at least in the foreseeable future. There is a reason Tesla has been hyping this for years but is nowhere near a real product yet, and some other companies that have been at it for much longer and in a much more serious capacity have little more than a cool demo.


I am now curious on your opinions about the actual capabilities these robots could have in the future and whether they could render human labor obsolete. Because it is actually a real fear I have of the future.
Corporations, specially the big ones in Europe and the United States are all in saving operating costs, and if they need to replace human beings for the sake of profit, I have no doubt they will start doing it as soon as it becomes cheaper to have those machines instead of a team of people working for them.
Also, there are people calling for regulation on the use of this technology to protect the jobs of people, but those in favor or full automation say government should not get in the way technological innovation.

Are we going to reach a point where people will start to replace human interaction and human contact with these machines? That kind of scares me.
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October 12, 2024, 07:00:32 AM
#8
I agree that they're mostly useless for automation in big enterprises that would use dedicated machines/software made for a specific purpose and therefore much more efficient than humanoid robots, but with such robots (provided their speed could be improved and they can indeed properly learn new things) even a small, family businesses could automate their processes and replace some (if not most) of human labour. The annual cost of a human worker earning minimum wage will be far higher than the robot, whose expected life will probably be at least 10 years. It might not be this generation of robots, but we know this will be possible eventually.

Even in small businesses automation takes entirely different forms. We automate bookkeeping with software, production with CNC, packing and shipping... that's a tough one, but humanoids are not the best solution here either, when it needs to scale it typically gets outsourced to something like Amazon who could possibly use warehouse automation.

I doubt small businesses will want humanoid robots interacting with their customers... that's freaky and defeats most of the purpose of a small customer-facing business, which is to not be the big faceless penny-pinching corporation trying to barricade itself from those pesky humans.

And I think you're grossly underestimating how much these robots would cost to acquire, train, supervise, maintain, and dispose, and how far from a real human their abilities would be, at least in the foreseeable future. There is a reason Tesla has been hyping this for years but is nowhere near a real product yet, and some other companies that have been at it for much longer and in a much more serious capacity have little more than a cool demo.
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October 12, 2024, 06:01:37 AM
#7
Humanoid robots is so 1950s. Since then entire industries have been automated but those robots don't look or behave like humans, and for very good reasons - humans suck at most things they do, so robots can be made much more efficient if they don't need to be designed with the limitations of human body etc.

I agree that they're mostly useless for automation in big enterprises that would use dedicated machines/software made for a specific purpose and therefore much more efficient than humanoid robots, but with such robots (provided their speed could be improved and they can indeed properly learn new things) even a small, family businesses could automate their processes and replace some (if not most) of human labour. The annual cost of a human worker earning minimum wage will be far higher than the robot, whose expected life will probably be at least 10 years. It might not be this generation of robots, but we know this will be possible eventually.
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October 12, 2024, 02:45:02 AM
#6
I've watched the video of it and it was a good interaction though. I think that there's too much romanticizing with this Tesla robot because it's made by Tesla.

Where in fact somewhere in Japan, they have developed it first but I don't know what happened to that robot they made. And they're first even with Sophia as their robots have been part of some specific tasks like in the F&B industry.

I think that they should have it placed in front of Sophia and let them talk and see where their conversation will go.
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October 11, 2024, 09:28:42 PM
#5
Elon is taking the right approach here. Everything in our society is setup for use by humans. A humanoid robot is a no brainer. Much like how his cars run on vision because all our roads are setup for people to drive with their sight while other manufacturers are struggling trying to find a different solution that will be a dead end. There’s a reason why Elon is rich and successful. He gets it.
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October 11, 2024, 05:38:26 PM
#4
Humanoid robots is so 1950s. Since then entire industries have been automated but those robots don't look or behave like humans, and for very good reasons - humans suck at most things they do, so robots can be made much more efficient if they don't need to be designed with the limitations of human body etc.

We already have robot food servers. They're called vending machines. The "food" that comes out of them is overpriced junk, and that's probably a hint as to where it would lead if you expect robots to serve you at a restaurant, let alone humanoid robots.
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October 11, 2024, 05:10:46 PM
#3
Just like any of those gadgets that make humans more and more lazy, such as the vacuum cleaning robots.
What were are going to have is much lazier and irresponsible humans.

If they will work as advertised, it will be much more than just a gadget. They could potentially take over almost all everyday tasks, meaning the average person would be losing (or never learning) the basic life skills like food preparation etc. On top of that, it could fulfill the need of social interactions, replacing contact with other people. Lives of many could get reduced just to pure consumption of food/drink/entertainment/social media.
On the positive side, smarter ones could use it to generate more free time that could be used in a more meaningful way (spending time outdoors, family bonding etc).

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Absolutely… How many are still able to afford a band new tesla car after years of production?
It should be at least twice as cheap as the new Tesla, but, as with every technology, it will get progressively better and cheaper over-time. Especially if we consider Chinese alternatives.

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Yeah, take an example of robots serving in restaurants. It means waiters and waitresses would be rendered useless.

Yup, they could also replace chefs as well, maybe reducing the entire staff to just 1 or 2 people supervising operations. That's if they manage to make them move quicker, as right now they seem very slowish.
Imagine a robot being able to cook any meal in the world, subject to available ingredients, never making mistakes, serving you food always with great attitude, never getting orders wrong, and not requiring tips.

They could be a game changer for many other industries as well, including those considered highly resistant to automation like skilled manual trades etc.

I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, it's new and exciting, and would be interesting to see how far it can go, on the other - it has a big potential to cause massive disruption to the world as we know it, and probably not in a good sense.
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October 11, 2024, 04:45:02 PM
#2
What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society?
Just like any of those gadgets that make humans more and more lazy, such as the vacuum cleaning robots.

What were are going to have is much lazier and irresponsible humans.

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Is it going to be just an expensive toy?
Absolutely… How many are still able to afford a band new tesla car after years of production?

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A helpful assistant making life easier?
And also harder to your pockets  Grin

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Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Yeah, take an example of robots serving in restaurants. It means waiters and waitresses would be rendered useless.

Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?
legendary
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October 11, 2024, 04:12:26 PM
#1

What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society? Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?

Video from the conference:
https://www.youtube.com/live/6v6dbxPlsXs?si=rCmrH5fuRmpuA21N&t=3258

An older video on what those robots should be capable of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6rdmrpRUg

Some press coverage:
https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/10/24267225/tesla-robotaxi-optimus-we-robot
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/elon-musks-new-tesla-robot-33873350
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-optimus-humanoid-robots-robotaxi-day-2024-10
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