Today only I came across this and I find this a better way of green mining.
Okay, the energy from the tesla is green, but is the energy that charges the tesla green?
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Okay, the energy from the tesla is green, but is the energy that charges the tesla green?
Using an electric vehicle supercharger like the Tesla model can be a good idea, but some problems may arise.
Among the concerns are the possibility that the mining rig can generate a lot of heat which can damage the interior of the car over time and the battery of the car is also easily damaged if used continuously for bitcoin mining and in addition the owner has to install a bitcoin mining computer in the trunk of the car. The mining rig is then filled by the car supercharger while mining bitcoins.
and I prefer more sustainable transportation, but mining bitcoins isn't that.
Among the concerns are the possibility that the mining rig can generate a lot of heat which can damage the interior of the car over time and the battery of the car is also easily damaged if used continuously for bitcoin mining and in addition the owner has to install a bitcoin mining computer in the trunk of the car. The mining rig is then filled by the car supercharger while mining bitcoins.
and I prefer more sustainable transportation, but mining bitcoins isn't that.
Facts:
1- Tesla model battery capacity is either 54, 62, 75 or 82 kWh, so 82 kWh at most ( we will work with this number).
2- It costs $20,000 and $35,000 to get a full battery module replacement for the Model 3.
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in the best-case scenario, the 82 kWh will average 70% for its lifespan, it will be worse given the inverter loss and the 100% DOD, but let's just say it's 57kWh, an S9 will drain it to 0% in 40 hours, so he has 1500*40 hours to mine with the battery before it's done, in other words, every cycle is good for 1.6 days, so 1500/1.6 days = 937 or let's just round that to 30 months.
given that we used the largest battery possible, then it's fair to use the $35,000 figure for battery replacement, that's burning $1,166 a month to make a $100 mining with S9.
The other GPU guy mentioned in the article might be in a better spot, given that GPUs yield a lot more $ per KwH, so let's assume the 800$ they mentioned is correct, he still loses $366 every month.
Not taking into account the cost of their setup, the time and energy wasted during deriving the car to where they charge it for free, voiding the warranty, and the inability to drive a car which they paid a few tens of thousands to obtain.
I found some other sources that claim battery replacement is 14k for the same model, which means the GPU guy is "in theory" making some profit until he is not, but let's just use another approach for the 14k figure.
14k to get a total of 57*1500 or 85,500 kWh, which means it costs 16 cents per KwH, the average miner in the U.S get a lot less than that, large mining corps get 2 cents, folks in NY maybe get 8-10 cents, I am not sure about the rest, but if anyone pays more than that, might as well use the battery to power their house instead, because mining at 16 cents is a losing game.
The experiment is very interesting nonetheless.
1- Tesla model battery capacity is either 54, 62, 75 or 82 kWh, so 82 kWh at most ( we will work with this number).
2- It costs $20,000 and $35,000 to get a full battery module replacement for the Model 3.
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Tesla CEO, Elon Musk, has stated that the Model 3’s battery was designed to last 300,000 to 500,000 miles, or 1,500 charging cycles.
in the best-case scenario, the 82 kWh will average 70% for its lifespan, it will be worse given the inverter loss and the 100% DOD, but let's just say it's 57kWh, an S9 will drain it to 0% in 40 hours, so he has 1500*40 hours to mine with the battery before it's done, in other words, every cycle is good for 1.6 days, so 1500/1.6 days = 937 or let's just round that to 30 months.
given that we used the largest battery possible, then it's fair to use the $35,000 figure for battery replacement, that's burning $1,166 a month to make a $100 mining with S9.
The other GPU guy mentioned in the article might be in a better spot, given that GPUs yield a lot more $ per KwH, so let's assume the 800$ they mentioned is correct, he still loses $366 every month.
Not taking into account the cost of their setup, the time and energy wasted during deriving the car to where they charge it for free, voiding the warranty, and the inability to drive a car which they paid a few tens of thousands to obtain.
I found some other sources that claim battery replacement is 14k for the same model, which means the GPU guy is "in theory" making some profit until he is not, but let's just use another approach for the 14k figure.
14k to get a total of 57*1500 or 85,500 kWh, which means it costs 16 cents per KwH, the average miner in the U.S get a lot less than that, large mining corps get 2 cents, folks in NY maybe get 8-10 cents, I am not sure about the rest, but if anyone pays more than that, might as well use the battery to power their house instead, because mining at 16 cents is a losing game.
The experiment is very interesting nonetheless.
It sounds amusing, but that's just it. Under normal circumstances, nobody would imitate this in order to make profit. This is like using a third party and even a fourth one in order to accomplish what could have easily been done directly.
In other words, the battery and the Tesla are both unnecessary middlemen in order to do the mining. It's more efficient and cost-effective if the power is taken directly from the grid and not from the batteries of a Tesla which is getting its electrical load from a charging station which is connected to the main grid.
In other words, the battery and the Tesla are both unnecessary middlemen in order to do the mining. It's more efficient and cost-effective if the power is taken directly from the grid and not from the batteries of a Tesla which is getting its electrical load from a charging station which is connected to the main grid.
I don't know whether this is an old news or an recent incident. Today only I came across this and I find this a better way of green mining. But, in terms of affordability everyone can't depend or power their mining rigs using Tesla. Rather than serving as an influencer, Elon Musk could've thought in such a way as his customers.
Tesla have another product named Tesla Powerwall which is powered by solar energy. If that is how Tesla is using to power cryptocurrency mining then it is great and it is possible to power a rig if you are using their Powerwall and it is an ingenious invention for greener energy and he has not built that with cryptocurrency miners in mind 
. Two Tesla owners have been using their cars to mine cryptocurrency, where one used his car to mine $800 per month. This is quite a good sum of money out of mining. Right now two of them were identified, and following this we can expect more Tesla owners follow this method.
It is a newsworthy story but still could not understand why they would charge their Tesla car and then mine, why not do it directly. 
I've seen electric cars referred to as "power banks on wheels", but this is taking it a bit too literally.
Why not power your house from the free supercharging instead?
Why not power your house from the free supercharging instead?
you probably could in theory. except the odometer and black box data would rat you out if checked.
when i go ev, i will absolutely get something that can do the backfeed-and-power-your-house thing. having an ev as backup power for my house would be nice.
ok math time
lets take last years average hashrate of 154exahash.
where by using that years efficient asic the s19
which is 110terrahash for 3.25kw/h
well when blocks were being solved at an average of 154exahash in 2021
it required 1.4million asics constant,
meaning each hour was 4550000kwh (for 37.5btc(6x6.25))
meaning each btc was 121333kwh (4.55gwh/37.5)
bitcoin average price was $40k for 2021.
meaning to get $800 of coin would be 2% of 121333kwh
meaning it would have required 2426.66kwh's to get $800
or more simply.
a tesla car battery is only ~75kwh capacity.
meaning running just 1x S19 would only run for 23 hours between recharges
going from full to flat 23 hours a day, and recharging.
it would have taken 32 days to earn $800
lets take last years average hashrate of 154exahash.
where by using that years efficient asic the s19
which is 110terrahash for 3.25kw/h
well when blocks were being solved at an average of 154exahash in 2021
it required 1.4million asics constant,
meaning each hour was 4550000kwh (for 37.5btc(6x6.25))
meaning each btc was 121333kwh (4.55gwh/37.5)
bitcoin average price was $40k for 2021.
meaning to get $800 of coin would be 2% of 121333kwh
meaning it would have required 2426.66kwh's to get $800
or more simply.
a tesla car battery is only ~75kwh capacity.
meaning running just 1x S19 would only run for 23 hours between recharges
going from full to flat 23 hours a day, and recharging.
it would have taken 32 days to earn $800
I've seen electric cars referred to as "power banks on wheels", but this is taking it a bit too literally.
Why not power your house from the free supercharging instead?
Why not power your house from the free supercharging instead?
That's true at the moment, although that's why I said that in the future we might actually benefit from this sort of technology. Electricity can be generated via green energy, mining resources can't. Obviously, to be able to do it we'll need to use our existing resources. However, utilizing things like solar, and hydro plants could potentially increase the amount of green energy being used. The way the world is going, there's enough funding for this to become a reality.
I agree on what you say but I was just focusing on this exact case, in which we have no clue of the source and even if it were green and all the energy would be green, the way he does it by driving and then using batteries simply wasteful, probably close to 20% waste of electricity compared to a traditional home-based setup.Instead, we still use oil because it's cheaper and more efficient, which we will run out of eventually anyway. Hence, even if it's inefficient, renewable energy is the way to go for every single thing.
I think a better method to mine using one of the products that Elon Musk manufacture, will be the Tesla Powerwall. The Tesla Powerwall is a rechargeable lithium-ion battery stationary home energy storage product manufactured by Tesla Energy.
The Powerwall stores electricity for solar self-consumption, time of use load shifting, and backup power. Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Powerwall
You will obviously not mine Bitcoin with the power that are stored in the Powerwall, but you might be able to charge the Powerwall with Solar power during the day... and use some of that power to mine Alt coins.
The Powerwall stores electricity for solar self-consumption, time of use load shifting, and backup power. Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Powerwall
You will obviously not mine Bitcoin with the power that are stored in the Powerwall, but you might be able to charge the Powerwall with Solar power during the day... and use some of that power to mine Alt coins.
This is not eco-friendly at all, quite the contrary actually. You have tons of inefficiencies arising between the supercharger to your Tesla and from the Tesla to your rig. It only makes sense if the electricity is free and again, that is not an ethical way of doing things. They are meant to charge your Teslas to drive and not to mine and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a clause in their agreement that prohibits this.
It's a value diminishing proposition in the long run. Every battery has a near definite cycle of charging. Someone is mining using Tesla batteries meaning, the battery is aging quickly enough. That reduces the life of the car itself. If someone is wealthy enough to burn a costly car for a mare 800 dollars a month, he should have invested this amount of car to somewhere else.
Simply doesn't make sense!
Simply doesn't make sense!
For the owner it's profit if they sell the car before the damage they did the the batteries causes them issues.
They might get less in resale for the car too since there will be more battery degradation.
But, since it is free electric they did remove one of the more expensive short term costs of mining.
AND if they were really getting $800 a month on the high end and could keep it up for a couple if years even if BTC price dropped and difficulty went up and so on. They still might be able to clear $10k so it might not be that bad for them.
-Dave
I remember that I saw another article about another company other than Tesla where they wanted to start mining bitcoins by using the renewable energies for the users of this company, so the same is not new but for Tesla maybe it is, however, regarding the 'green mining' it's very good when you hear about it and you need to actually consume the fossil energy resources for mining but the thing is we should consider the maintenance and the costs of the device required for it because most of the times you will need to pay too much for it.
Company like Tesla can set up huge mining farms if they want to. We can not say they will never do this.
Probably they are hesitating because it can result in attacks on their environmental friendly policy. We know the accusation that Bitcoin mining is the most polluting industry on Earth is not accurate. Tesla can change their mind in future, who knows?
Probably they are hesitating because it can result in attacks on their environmental friendly policy. We know the accusation that Bitcoin mining is the most polluting industry on Earth is not accurate. Tesla can change their mind in future, who knows?
That's true at the moment, although that's why I said that in the future we might actually benefit from this sort of technology. Electricity can be generated via green energy, mining resources can't. Obviously, to be able to do it we'll need to use our existing resources. However, utilizing things like solar, and hydro plants could potentially increase the amount of green energy being used. The way the world is going, there's enough funding for this to become a reality.
I agree on what you say but I was just focusing on this exact case, in which we have no clue of the source and even if it were green and all the energy would be green, the way he does it by driving and then using batteries simply wasteful, probably close to 20% waste of electricity compared to a traditional home-based setup.
I don't think this free electricity for electric cars will last long.
It's just for some tesla models, and yes it will last quite a while for the ones who've got it, it will end only if you sell it or you destroy the car
https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/tesla-free-unlimited-supercharging-how-to-check-if-you-have-it/
I don't think that this news is worth thinking about it's does not only seem fake but it's also quite absurd. This news might be fake as well, what makes me think is what could have pushed the people to use it in that way? Is mining illegal and they been hiding the equipment in car? It's also a big equipment as well, I don't understand this news.
Not fake, it started as one guy doing something unheard of and then some taking advantage of cheap energy, although for an ASIC mining is really not such a breakthrough because of the overall huge consumption it would make you travel to the station every 4 hours.
Anyhow, this was debated a few times, including in another topic, and the first event is from 2017
https://electrek.co/2017/11/29/tesla-mining-bitcoin-model-s-supercharger-power/
And for everyone thinking of doing so, let me quote myself again:
Besides, imagine having 10 3090 in your trunk and an asshole crashing into you at a stop sign.
That's exceptionally weird why are they using their car and not using the electricity the normal way because the car would need to charge as well? I don't know is this some advertising method of some kind ? Using Tesla won't be a convincing option, no one should use it for sure, not in this sense at least. You need to use the usual methods and that's about it.
I don't think that this news is worth thinking about it's does not only seem fake but it's also quite absurd. This news might be fake as well, what makes me think is what could have pushed the people to use it in that way? Is mining illegal and they been hiding the equipment in car? It's also a big equipment as well, I don't understand this news.
I don't think that this news is worth thinking about it's does not only seem fake but it's also quite absurd. This news might be fake as well, what makes me think is what could have pushed the people to use it in that way? Is mining illegal and they been hiding the equipment in car? It's also a big equipment as well, I don't understand this news.
In fact, I stop reading any news if it is related to Tesla and Bitcoin, the stocks are now going through a bad period, so I do not think that Tesla will give competitors the opportunity to free attack by mentioning Bitcoin or mining, so such news is aimed at getting free quick views.
Also, the word mining, green energy and its connection with Tesla is incorrect as some of the responses indicated above
Also, the word mining, green energy and its connection with Tesla is incorrect as some of the responses indicated above
It's a value diminishing proposition in the long run. Every battery has a near definite cycle of charging. Someone is mining using Tesla batteries meaning, the battery is aging quickly enough. That reduces the life of the car itself. If someone is wealthy enough to burn a costly car for a mare 800 dollars a month, he should have invested this amount of car to somewhere else.
Simply doesn't make sense!
Simply doesn't make sense!
I think this was an old news.
AFAIK, there is a bad result for these batteries of their Tesla if they will allow it to be that much of use in mining and it is overused.
The impact on it on the battery itself for being overused is going to cost them more than the price that they're earning.
As they say, it is not for the purpose of it and its life is easier.
AFAIK, there is a bad result for these batteries of their Tesla if they will allow it to be that much of use in mining and it is overused.
The impact on it on the battery itself for being overused is going to cost them more than the price that they're earning.
As they say, it is not for the purpose of it and its life is easier.
It's a weird way to use a car, but it's only as green as the electricity that's used to charge up the car.
So no, there is nothing green about it and it's just one guy wasting tons of electricity because he affords to do so, as vapourminer said, a few of Tesla's clients got a free lifetime supercharger when they bought their car.
It is a weird use only if you ignore the free electricity.
I don't think this free electricity for electric cars will last long.
But until people have free electricity or some other of subsidies from government/companies to have a electric car, we will see people abusing the free electricity system.
I am impressed by the processing power those Tesla vehicles have.
It is possible that in the future Tesla or some other manufactures will add something like NVIDIA LHR (Lite Hash Rate), reducing the hash rate of the equipment.
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