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Topic: [Testing Capacity] Klondike Mining Collective - Toronto, Ontario Mining Facility - page 2. (Read 4096 times)

legendary
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So would the people who place in their rigs for you to host be able to run their rigs on the pools they so choose? Though I think the idea of having all of them on one pool hosted by you guys would be an incredible idea down the road when you build a name for yourselves.

At the moment I am working on building up my Bitcoin wallet, coming slowly, but my investments are clear. Though this idea is incredibly intriguing and I would love to be a part of it somehow. Eventually when I can make a contribution that's actually worth something, I would invest and or offer a rig. For now, I'll just marvel at the idea till I can make a decent contribution.

yeah that likely wouldnt be an issue. It would take at least 20TH of equipment for a private pool to make much sense, likely far more

I will be at the Toronto Bitcoin meetup tonight to try and network if anyone here is looking to connect Smiley
newbie
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So would the people who place in their rigs for you to host be able to run their rigs on the pools they so choose? Though I think the idea of having all of them on one pool hosted by you guys would be an incredible idea down the road when you build a name for yourselves.

At the moment I am working on building up my Bitcoin wallet, coming slowly, but my investments are clear. Though this idea is incredibly intriguing and I would love to be a part of it somehow. Eventually when I can make a contribution that's actually worth something, I would invest and or offer a rig. For now, I'll just marvel at the idea till I can make a decent contribution.
hero member
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If you can find a fab in TO to do our designs and some 28nm chips magically become available probably cut time down a lot. In fact might be the way to go from the start depending on the chips.

problem is that most 28nm is all vaporware and preorders at the moment, i dont expect much great stuff to be available at competitive pricing until he spring. I would love to look into a local fab to supply the mining facility, but that presents a whole second set of logistics.

If someone in ontario wants to fab out mining equipment though, contact me because it would be a great partnership

Logistically it solves some pretty big of issues.

Shipping / Import duties and control over the fab timeline cutting a week or two weeks off waiting for units.

Also our units can do 55nm etc as well we can mod our design in days to any specific chip you can get your hands on. Anyhow think about it. I am a Canadian Expat wish I were up in Barrie still but now over in Jakarta.
legendary
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If you can find a fab in TO to do our designs and some 28nm chips magically become available probably cut time down a lot. In fact might be the way to go from the start depending on the chips.

problem is that most 28nm is all vaporware and preorders at the moment, i dont expect much great stuff to be available at competitive pricing until he spring. I would love to look into a local fab to supply the mining facility, but that presents a whole second set of logistics.

If someone in ontario wants to fab out mining equipment though, contact me because it would be a great partnership
hero member
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If you can find a fab in TO to do our designs and some 28nm chips magically become available probably cut time down a lot. In fact might be the way to go from the start depending on the chips.
legendary
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28nm equipment, 6-12 months is expected.

Why so long?

It could be a lot less, but 28nm will conceivably be the smallest bitcoin circuitry for a while until massive investments are made in 20nm technology - something not very accessible to anyone outside Intel/AMD

28nm machines should be able to run competitively for a lot longer then the current generation of 55/65nm stuff - almost comparable to the 7950's utility for GPU mining

The biggest obstacle in forming this collectivew will be the initial investment of equipment. At least 20kW of power use is needed to make renting a building a viable method and to encourage competitive electricity pricing. This means that if only ~10 THash of equipment owners are interested in hosting thier units with the collective, it may be necessary to raise a small investment towards quickly filling in the space with additional equipment.

if anyone here frequents the Toronto Bitcoin Meetups, I intend to be there this Wednesday to try and make some connections and find out if there are people there who are interested in joining the collective. I would be particularly interested in meeting anyone with plans or desire to manufacture their own mining machines (custom chip or based on an existing) but who does not yet have a buyer or location lined up for running said machines.

I want to get this off the ground in february, so that by March the collective is capable of accepting miners and running their own units. This is not a simple venture, so I am always looking for anyone with advice or insight into locations or power considerations

I would also love to find a way to monitor multiple distinct mining accounts via eligius or another <20% pool. As far as I know, there isn't a simple way to tracking 20+ accounts easily and reliably
hero member
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28nm equipment, 6-12 months is expected.

Why so long?
legendary
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Looking at some of the options currently available, I am ready to do some interest checks for this.

For miners joining the collective with their own equipment, pricing will be done by power usage rather than speed or space requirements. This is to allow SCRYPT rigs to participate in the space and make managing different-efficiency hardware costs.

For a small collective (5-15 kW), it would be roughly $250/kW/month + power (includes cooling) = $450/kW/month total costs
For a larger collective (15-30 kW), it would be closer to $175/kW/month before power cost

Obviously power costs are significant, and the goal will be to evaluate if other electricity providers are available at more competitive rates. This will be an ongoing priority, and should result in power/cooling costs lower than mining at home.

For investors The 28nm generation will clearly be a priority to the collective, but is not necessarily the best price at the moment. By the time investments are called for, prices and equipment availability will be drastically different from right now, but to use a 'today example':

Based on the above prices, to add an Antminer to the facility (190GH/400W approx) would require:
+2.2 BTC purchase price (current BITMAIN price)
+$100 PSU + setup cost
+$160/month fees+hosting (based on the pricing for a larger collective)

With this pricing, You could have an Antminer system hosted with us for 4 months (long enough that mining profits approach zero) for only 2.6 BTC - you dont have to worry about power use, noise, or heat during the summer months. A quick calculation shows that within those 4 months the unit should enter profitability using these figures:
http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=1789546951&dcosts=2250&diff_mincrease=20&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=190000&diff_mincreasedecrease=0.1&btcusd=900&dpowcon=0&btcusd_mincrease=0&pcost=0&calcweeks=22&dleadtime=1&action=calc

I believe the reality is much quicker based on a few of the recent <20% difficulty jumps



with all this in place, I've opened a poll to see what sort of interest there is.
newbie
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Sounds awesome! I would love to help out with this but I live near Boston...
legendary
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Klondike Mining Collective - est. 2014
Based in Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Currently 'on hold' while I test the capabilities of the location. With 7kW of my own power draw, (compared to 4kW planned originally), there may be less power/cooling then required to host as originally intended. I am monitoring this closely and if the location is well-suited to hosting much equipment outside my own I will continue to pursue a 60kW+ location for later in 2014

Ive been with these forums for a long time and became heavily involved with Bitcoin mining in late-2013 with the new generation of ASIC mining devices. However, I have reached the limits of residential mining and am looking to expand - and expand significantly.

I am not the only one in this boat. With many of the 110/130nm and 55/65nm technologies using major power draws, all over Canada Bitcoin miners are scrambling to find more electricity and space to keep from stagnating. The terrahash/second achievement is no longer enough to pay the bills on its own, and a central location with cheap plentiful power and a staff dedicated to 24/7 uptime becomes a necessity rather than a simple desire.

With that in mind - I suggest a mining collective be formed. By locating within the borders of canada's largest city, the collective will tout accessibility, responsibility, and accountability above all else. Every machine will be given individual worker accounts and payment addresses for simple, reliable tracking of stats and income, either via an established mining pool such as eligius or forming a private pool dedicated to network distribution.

This is not a task for one person - I am seeking miners, investors, and IT engineers to help make this a reality.

BITCOIN MINERS
We want to host your equipment! From 200 GHash to 5 THash, if you want to have your machines hosted at a secure location where you dont need to worry about power outtages, blown fuses, and cutting a holiday short because your machine went offline - I want to hear from you.

The initial location will have up to 20kW available for access, and can be expanded if that limit is reached. Estimated fees will include:
1) initial setup costs ($50-150 depending on type of machine and any complexity of setup)
2) rent+mainteneance+power+cooling will be roughly $0.27/kWh - this may fluctuate as cooling increases at summer and as there is more equipment to share the space rental
3) additional maintenance such as overclocking, tuning, replacing fans/PSUs, etc would be charged at a fixed rate (possibly $10/15min)

As mentioned, every member or machine would be given individual mining addresses to track, preventing any disagreement over mining income or dividends


BITCOIN INVESTORS
Want to participate in bitcoin mining but lack the space, time, or even funds to run your own units at home? Klondike Mining Collective has tons of room to grow, and is looking for investors who can make that happen.

The Collective will be constantly purchasing and adding equipment to the facility if calculations indicate that they will return a profit within 3 months. This means that if you had 2.2BTC to invest with us, we would purchase, host, and maintain a BITMAIN Antminer system in our facility on your behalf. It would be given a unique mining address (that is controlled by the collective) and its mining income would be split to 3 accounts -  
1) Hosting Cost - This would be the base rate for the unit's power consumption (incl. cooling) plus any relevant costs (including initial power supply and setup costs incurred) - for example: $100 initial cost for PSU, unit, and network setup, plus ongoing electricity at cost
1) Hosting Fees - This would include a small cost to employ IT engineers who maintain the facility plus a small share of the facility costs. - for example: 0.05BTC/device/month towards the cost of renting the location and paying the salaries of those who keep the unit running 24/7. This could would probably be adjusted lower monthly to reflect the lower income of the machine and the more machines in the collective = lower share of rent per machine
1) Mining Returns - This would be where all proceeds of mining go after the above reductions. The address will be unique to each machine so that investors can see the return-on-investment.

Machines puchased via investors will be owned by the collective, and operated under the above guidelines until such a time as the fees+costs outweigh the returns. For 55/65nm equipment, this is expected to be a 3-6 month time frame. For 28nm equipment, 6-12 months is expected.

The goal of the collective will be to select and maintain Bitcoin mining ASICs that will produce >120% ROI to the investor after the cost+fee deductions. Please understand that there are many varying opinions on what the ASICs will actually return and the collective cannot promise that a machine will actually produce more Bitcoin than it cost to purchase. However, It is my belief that a 120% return to the investor is entirely possible, with some machines recouping >50% of costs in a single month.

IT ENGINEERS
The collective is looking for a few talented individuals with experience in bitcoin mining and maintaining large device networks. There are very few openings for this role, and initially it would be desirable to give these to established bitcoin miners. MUST be located in the Toronto area


As the Klondike Mining Collective comes to reality, a board of members/investors will be formed to vote on decisions such as hosting fees, expansion, and investment options. This would begin with agreement on a selected location, selection of IT engineers, and determining how to invest in machines.

I look forwards to any interested parties. Please contact me by private message or [email protected]
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