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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 12, 2015, 02:13:56 PM

Everyone can call these people paranoid. They are. We should be arguing about whether they are right to be paranoid or not.

They used to teach in school to be wary of governments having too much power, it leads to massacres and revolutions. I don't know if they still teach this anymore, but "power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

We have checks and balances in the government for this purpose. Though, I seem to recall Obama passing things without approval?

Anyway, I don't see what's wrong with there being checks and balances in place, and it seems to me, that that's all these people want to do. "Check" things out.

Probably arguing with idiots and government propagandaists, a lot are sick in the head with greed brainwashed, drugged, etc.

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Quote from: engwell on July 12, 2015, 01:26:54 PM

Quote from: godlyitems on July 12, 2015, 01:20:48 PM

And the height of paranoia is wanting to keep an eye on an institution that has the legal authority to kill, imprison, and tax people, because those kinds of powers have never been abused before, right?

The military does not have any authority on US soil.

It is illegal, per the constitution to have actively deploy troups for real time military operations. So, you would need all aspects of the government, including the GOP to willingly take part in order for this fantasy about the military being deployed to take over Texas.

By the way, we do not want Texas. Please stop breaking your promises to secede and do it already. Or we will send troups and force you out of the union.

Correction. It WAS illegal under Posse Comitatus, but this was overwritten by The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007. In effect the military has been given en exemption on operating on US soil.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-use-of-the-armed-forces-in-america-under-a-national-emergency/6169

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Everyone can call these people paranoid. They are. We should be arguing about whether they are right to be paranoid or not.

They used to teach in school to be wary of governments having too much power, it leads to massacres and revolutions. I don't know if they still teach this anymore, but "power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

We have checks and balances in the government for this purpose. Though, I seem to recall Obama passing things without approval?

Anyway, I don't see what's wrong with there being checks and balances in place, and it seems to me, that that's all these people want to do. "Check" things out.

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 12, 2015, 02:01:28 PM

You do realize that the military is conducting exercises all around the country? Sixty miles east of here is the Top Gun facility. Funny how the residents of Fallon aren't concerned.

Texas is part of the United States, so thinking that the US can take over itself is the pinnacle of irrationality.

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty.
--Patrick Henry

What a paranoid guy.

Quote from: peterson33 on July 12, 2015, 02:02:38 PM

And yet, historically speaking, the closest the US has come to be dominated by a foreign power was when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor - an attack that mostly succeeded because of poor preparation on the part of the military.

And if Americans had not "trusted" the government to respond to said attacks, they would never have mobilized behind the government and put everything they had into the defeat of the attacking Japanese. So history has examples of trusting government also being positive.

But again - Paranoid is as Paranoid does.

I wasn't talking about external threats, I was talking about the oppression of people by their own governments, the existence of which you apparently unaware of.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 12, 2015, 01:50:21 PM

The only way you can get away with labeling this "paranoia" is if you whitewash thousands of years of historical evidence that demonstrates the abusive and corrupt nature of centralized governments.

The stupidest, most anti-American argument one can make is "trust the government", since this country was founded on open revolution and skepticism towards government.

But you super smart, clever people keep acting like there isn't a mountain of evidence, both historical and contemporary, that proves how devious, corrupt, and abusive centralized governments can be. I wouldn't want to burst that fantasy bubble you're living in.

And yet, historically speaking, the closest the US has come to be dominated by a foreign power was when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor - an attack that mostly succeeded because of poor preparation on the part of the military.

And if Americans had not "trusted" the government to respond to said attacks, they would never have mobilized behind the government and put everything they had into the defeat of the attacking Japanese. So history has examples of trusting government also being positive.

But again - Paranoid is as Paranoid does.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 12, 2015, 01:57:38 PM

Oh well. It's better to err on the side of liberty than it is to irrationally trust in the good intentions of the state.

You do realize that the military is conducting exercises all around the country? Sixty miles east of here is the Top Gun facility. Funny how the residents of Fallon aren't concerned.

Texas is part of the United States, so thinking that the US can take over itself is the pinnacle of irrationality.

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 12, 2015, 01:58:55 PM

Now I see the problem. I'm not a halfwit. LOL.

All I said was that given the immense powers the government has, it makes sense for people to want to keep an eye on it. It's not a very hard position to understand.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 12, 2015, 01:57:38 PM

I agree. It's a painfully simple position that any halfwit should be able to understand.

Now I see the problem. I'm not a halfwit. LOL.

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 12, 2015, 01:48:58 PM

Nothing to decipher.

I agree. It's a painfully simple position that any halfwit should be able to understand.

Quote from: redandblack on July 12, 2015, 01:56:03 PM

You may not have said it., but the people leading the "surveilance" groups did say it,. and they had nothing to back it up with. That is why they are paranoid.

Oh well. It's better to err on the side of liberty than it is to irrationally trust in the good intentions of the state.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 12, 2015, 01:47:27 PM

I never said the purposes of these exercises was to kill or imprison Americans. I simply said that it's not paranoid to want to keep an eye on an institution that has those powers. It's a really simple position actually. Not sure why you're having such a hard time deciphering it.

You may not have said it., but the people leading the "surveilance" groups did say it,. and they had nothing to back it up with. That is why they are paranoid.

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The only way you can get away with labeling this "paranoia" is if you whitewash thousands of years of historical evidence that demonstrates the abusive and corrupt nature of centralized governments.

The stupidest, most anti-American argument one can make is "trust the government", since this country was founded on open revolution and skepticism towards government.

But you super smart, clever people keep acting like there isn't a mountain of evidence, both historical and contemporary, that proves how devious, corrupt, and abusive centralized governments can be. I wouldn't want to burst that fantasy bubble you're living in.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 12, 2015, 01:47:27 PM

I never said the purposes of these exercises was to kill or imprison Americans. I simply said that it's not paranoid to want to keep an eye on an institution that has those powers. It's a really simple position actually. Not sure why you're having such a hard time deciphering it.

Nothing to decipher.

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 12, 2015, 01:46:34 PM

Please. Then why the hell did you choose those words? Coin toss?

I never said the purposes of these exercises was to kill or imprison Americans. I simply said that it's not paranoid to want to keep an eye on an institution that has those powers. It's a really simple position actually. Not sure why you're having such a hard time deciphering it.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 12, 2015, 01:45:23 PM

I'm not wiggling out of anything. I never said that the military exercises were for the purpose of killing or imprisoning anyone. I simply said that it is not paranoid to want to keep an eye on the institution that has those powers and has historically abused them.

Please. Then why the hell did you choose those words? Coin toss?

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 12, 2015, 01:38:33 PM

LOL. Riiiight. The government also has the legal authority to defend the nation, which is what the exercise is about. Your choice of words is obvious. Trying to wiggle out of it is absurd.

I'm not wiggling out of anything. I never said that the military exercises were for the purpose of killing or imprisoning anyone. I simply said that it is not paranoid to want to keep an eye on the institution that has those powers and has historically abused them.

Quote from: rio3232 on July 12, 2015, 01:41:38 PM

Paranoia is imagination. Again, that's the whole point.

Not when it is based on thousands of years of historical evidence.

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Quote from: redandblack on July 12, 2015, 01:32:01 PM

can you imagine a special forces guy taking part in some sort of occupation of texas? buncha sickos.

Apparently, Texans think they are living in a foreign country. Sick is right. Pretty damn stupid as well.

Quote from: godlyitems on July 12, 2015, 01:36:12 PM

I can imagine a military doing a lot of immoral things. It's not that hard if you know anything about history.

Paranoia is imagination. Again, that's the whole point.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 12, 2015, 01:29:55 PM

Never said that was what they were there for, just that it's not paranoid to want to keep an eye on the institution with the legal authority to kill, imprison, and tax people.

LOL. Riiiight. The government also has the legal authority to defend the nation, which is what the exercise is about. Your choice of words is obvious. Trying to wiggle out of it is absurd.

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Quote from: redandblack on July 12, 2015, 01:32:01 PM

can you imagine a special forces guy taking part in some sort of occupation of texas? buncha sickos.

I can imagine a military doing a lot of immoral things. It's not that hard if you know anything about history.

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Quote from: engwell on July 12, 2015, 01:26:54 PM

The military does not have any authority on US soil.
It is illegal, per the constitution to have actively deploy troups for real time military operations. So, you would need all aspects of the government, including the GOP to willingly take part in order for this fantasy about the military being deployed to take over Texas.
By the way, we do not want Texas. Please stop breaking your promises to secede and do it already. Or we will send troups and force you out of the union.

I never said they were trying to take over Texas. I just said it wasn't paranoid for citizens to want to keep an eye on their government.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 12, 2015, 01:29:55 PM

Quote from: rio3232 on July 12, 2015, 01:23:57 PM

Yep, that's the whole point. Thinking the military is there to kill and imprison people. Classic paranoia.

Never said that was what they were there for, just that it's not paranoid to want to keep an eye on the institution with the legal authority to kill, imprison, and tax people.

Quote from: shevon on July 12, 2015, 01:25:32 PM

Paranoid is as Paranoid does.

How many soldiers FROM Texas will be taking part in the exercise? Thousands? Do you honestly think they would stay silent as
to intent?

Paranoid is as Paranoid does.

Totally agree. It's not like there has been hundreds of examples over history of governments abusing their authority or deceiving the citizenry. That kind of stuff never happens.

can you imagine a special forces guy taking part in some sort of occupation of texas? buncha sickos.

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