Hi folks,
Thinking about the concerns of Bonz0r, now we have now the cheaper versions of all three bots (ALL WEATHER Bot, GOLDEN Bot, TOP GUN Bot), limited in their permitted trading capital as follows:
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- 40 $ ---- ✠ ALL WEATHER Bot (https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/JofXMXatcj23fWenM) v1.0 (Unlimited usage)
- 20 $ --- ✠ ALL WEATHER Bot Basic (https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/AER9bbwHHcHDEnZLs) v1.0 (The Full Version of the ALL WEATHER Bot but limited up to trading capital of 1,000 USD/ 800 EUR / 6,000 CNY / 3.0 BTC )
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- 40 $ ---- ♔ GOLDEN Bot (https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/5TSD2YQRXGJHq39JQ) v1.0 (Unlimited usage)
- 20 $ --- ♔ GOLDEN Bot Basic (https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/ts9KsuJ4KRNwx8kR7) v1.0 (The Full Version of the GOLDEN Bot but limited up to trading capital of 1,000 USD/ 800 EUR / 6,000 CNY / 3.0 BTC )
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- 40 $ ---- ♛ TOP GUN Bot (https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/6cCXxg7QyQsuGpyfT) v1.0 (Unlimited usage)
- 20 $ --- ♛ TOP GUN Bot Basic (https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/cCEXyvEMXnh3r7N6v) v1.0 (The Full Version of the TOP GUN Bot but limited up to trading capital of 1,000 USD/ 800 EUR / 6,000 CNY / 3.0 BTC )
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Of course, all the cheaper versions have inside the full strategy capability of the unlimited versions and the only limitation for them is the maximum trading capital up to which they are permitted to trade.
Topic: Thanasis Collection Pack - page 17. (Read 170616 times)
1) Yes, i use the default bot parameters to get the percentages in the tables. Besides, these are the recommended parameters for the bots.
2) Given your low trading capital (1,800$) you can split your capital in two parts, trading the one part with a 10$ per month subscription and the other one manually according to your trading feeling.
Alternatively, you are right, you need a 30$ per month subscription. In this case you can run multiple instances for the bot in many exchange platforms and in many currency pairs.
To be honnest, "a Ferrari needs its appropriate road to run".
3) You must leave your Tornado bot to run until the last date of its subscription - thank you very much for your trust to this bot. Then, when it will expire then just gonna rent the All Weather bot or the Golden bot.
2) Given your low trading capital (1,800$) you can split your capital in two parts, trading the one part with a 10$ per month subscription and the other one manually according to your trading feeling.
Alternatively, you are right, you need a 30$ per month subscription. In this case you can run multiple instances for the bot in many exchange platforms and in many currency pairs.
To be honnest, "a Ferrari needs its appropriate road to run".
3) You must leave your Tornado bot to run until the last date of its subscription - thank you very much for your trust to this bot. Then, when it will expire then just gonna rent the All Weather bot or the Golden bot.
Do you use default bot parameters to get the percentages in the tables?
Also, i'm afraid you forgot that the $10 cryptotrader subscription has a $1000 limit to trade with, that's not going to be profitable. Costs are then $50 monthly (site 10 + bot 40) and 4% profit over $1000 is $40, that's a net loss. I think that my $1800 is the amount needed for break even. Assuming 4% profit per month that is. I'm beginning to wonder if i'm not better off lending my money for 15% net profit annually.
By the way, how does it work with the Tornado --> All Weather upgrade. I have a Tornado bot subscription now, will that keep running until the period that i paid for is over?
Also, i'm afraid you forgot that the $10 cryptotrader subscription has a $1000 limit to trade with, that's not going to be profitable. Costs are then $50 monthly (site 10 + bot 40) and 4% profit over $1000 is $40, that's a net loss. I think that my $1800 is the amount needed for break even. Assuming 4% profit per month that is. I'm beginning to wonder if i'm not better off lending my money for 15% net profit annually.
By the way, how does it work with the Tornado --> All Weather upgrade. I have a Tornado bot subscription now, will that keep running until the period that i paid for is over?
Looking for the market identification, we can see this basic chart:
As you can see the prices in these last months are bellow the red Trendline, so we can say that the market is Bearish.
Besides, as you may know these are 3 bots of extreme quality which trade in every exchange platform and in every currency pair:
ALL WEATHER bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/JofXMXatcj23fWenM : Use this bot when you don't know if the market is Bullish or Bearish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in any market condition.
GOLDEN bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/5TSD2YQRXGJHq39JQ: Use this bot when you think that the market is Bearish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in a conservative manner.
TOP GUN bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/6cCXxg7QyQsuGpyfT: Use this bot when you think that the market is Bullish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in a aggressive manner.
Given the above, the All Weather bot and the Golden bot seems to be very good choices for the current situation for the market characteristics.
Here are some tables for the efficiencies of the above bots, in a market which for the same period had tremendous losses.
This is the All Weather bot table efficiency, for any exchange platform and any currency pair for the last 4 months:
This is the Golden bot table efficiency, for any exchange platfotm and any currency pair for the last 4 months:
This is a comperative table efficiency:
Happy trading !!!
As you can see the prices in these last months are bellow the red Trendline, so we can say that the market is Bearish.
Besides, as you may know these are 3 bots of extreme quality which trade in every exchange platform and in every currency pair:
ALL WEATHER bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/JofXMXatcj23fWenM : Use this bot when you don't know if the market is Bullish or Bearish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in any market condition.
GOLDEN bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/5TSD2YQRXGJHq39JQ: Use this bot when you think that the market is Bearish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in a conservative manner.
TOP GUN bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/6cCXxg7QyQsuGpyfT: Use this bot when you think that the market is Bullish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in a aggressive manner.
Given the above, the All Weather bot and the Golden bot seems to be very good choices for the current situation for the market characteristics.
Here are some tables for the efficiencies of the above bots, in a market which for the same period had tremendous losses.
This is the All Weather bot table efficiency, for any exchange platform and any currency pair for the last 4 months:
This is the Golden bot table efficiency, for any exchange platfotm and any currency pair for the last 4 months:
This is a comperative table efficiency:
Happy trading !!!
Hi Bonz0r,
I respect your approach to the matter you refer.
The main reason for the one price size for the bot was some problems with the rating system of the bots in the crypto site (i.e. the popularity index for the bot had to be divided to the many items of the same bot and not as a whole for the bot).
I think that the problem arises that your subscription (30$ per month) is very high comparing to your available capital (1,800$).
As the crypto site allows less low subscription rates (10$ per month), i believe that you must consider for these low rates and not for the higher one and as soon as your capital will grow (and it probably will do), then you must consider for a higher rate.
Nevertheless, assuming as you say a bot can give you a 4% monthly profitable rate, then it means that your investment can give to you a 48% anual profit (=4% x 12) minus 120$ anual subscription fees (=10$ x 12).
This is a very interesting investment opportunity, don't you think so?
I respect your approach to the matter you refer.
The main reason for the one price size for the bot was some problems with the rating system of the bots in the crypto site (i.e. the popularity index for the bot had to be divided to the many items of the same bot and not as a whole for the bot).
I think that the problem arises that your subscription (30$ per month) is very high comparing to your available capital (1,800$).
As the crypto site allows less low subscription rates (10$ per month), i believe that you must consider for these low rates and not for the higher one and as soon as your capital will grow (and it probably will do), then you must consider for a higher rate.
Nevertheless, assuming as you say a bot can give you a 4% monthly profitable rate, then it means that your investment can give to you a 48% anual profit (=4% x 12) minus 120$ anual subscription fees (=10$ x 12).
This is a very interesting investment opportunity, don't you think so?
What i meant was this. At the moment i'm only trading with $1800. If the bot gives me 4% profit per month, that's $72 per month. I'm paying $40 for the bot, plus $30 for the cryptotrader subscription, that's a total of $70 i'm spending each month. That's why i like the tiered subscription idea. Someone who trades with less (and therefore has less profit) pays less.
Hi BonezOr,
Thanks for your interest about my bots (All Weather bot, Golden bot, Top Gun Bot) for Bitcoin trading.
The Tornado bot you are asking for has been refined and in its improved version has been absorbed into the new All Weather Bot.
Thinking that the old Tornado bot had prices from 25$ to 200$ i believe that the price of 40$ for the new improved All Weather bot is a fair value.
Relative to the efficiency of the All Weather bot and the question if it is profitable enough, here is a table of its efficiency for various periods for the last year:
Here are the relative backtests:
https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/SXwkG5Mn8DZBcG2C8
https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/Cov6TMwSJ7CjabQ87
https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/GiC7xJFWDtcEG8A6a
https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/AEQB5reH5zWKZrJ9v
Of course, the same incredible profitability you will see if you trade with All Weather bot in any other time period, in any other exhange platform and in any other currency pair.
Given the above i believe that its price is a fair value for it.
All Weather bot : https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/JofXMXatcj23fWenM
Golden bot : https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/5TSD2YQRXGJHq39JQ
Top Gun bot : https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/6cCXxg7QyQsuGpyfT
Thanks for your interest about my bots (All Weather bot, Golden bot, Top Gun Bot) for Bitcoin trading.
The Tornado bot you are asking for has been refined and in its improved version has been absorbed into the new All Weather Bot.
Thinking that the old Tornado bot had prices from 25$ to 200$ i believe that the price of 40$ for the new improved All Weather bot is a fair value.
Relative to the efficiency of the All Weather bot and the question if it is profitable enough, here is a table of its efficiency for various periods for the last year:
Here are the relative backtests:
https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/SXwkG5Mn8DZBcG2C8
https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/Cov6TMwSJ7CjabQ87
https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/GiC7xJFWDtcEG8A6a
https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/AEQB5reH5zWKZrJ9v
Of course, the same incredible profitability you will see if you trade with All Weather bot in any other time period, in any other exhange platform and in any other currency pair.
Given the above i believe that its price is a fair value for it.
All Weather bot : https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/JofXMXatcj23fWenM
Golden bot : https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/5TSD2YQRXGJHq39JQ
Top Gun bot : https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/6cCXxg7QyQsuGpyfT
What happened to your Tornado bot? I don't see it on that page you linked.
It's too bad there's only one tier of the All Weather bot. $40 is a bit steep for the amount i use for trading. I'm not sure it would be profitable.
It's too bad there's only one tier of the All Weather bot. $40 is a bit steep for the amount i use for trading. I'm not sure it would be profitable.
Hi guys,
Introducing the Thanasis ALL WEATHER bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/JofXMXatcj23fWenM, we have now 3 bots of extreme quality, each one of them oriented to a different market condition:
ALL WEATHER bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/JofXMXatcj23fWenM : Use this bot when you don't know if the market is Bullish or Bearish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in any market condition.
GOLDEN bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/5TSD2YQRXGJHq39JQ: Use this bot when you think that the market is Bearish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in a conservative manner.
TOP GUN bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/6cCXxg7QyQsuGpyfT: Use this bot when you think that the market is Bullish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in a aggressive manner.
Here are the efficiencies of these bots for the last 4 months. Note please that despite the market in this period had tremendous losses, all these 3 extreme quality bots have very high positive efficiencies.
For all of them please visit https://cryptotrader.org/topics/913623/thanasis-collection-pack
Introducing the Thanasis ALL WEATHER bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/JofXMXatcj23fWenM, we have now 3 bots of extreme quality, each one of them oriented to a different market condition:
ALL WEATHER bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/JofXMXatcj23fWenM : Use this bot when you don't know if the market is Bullish or Bearish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in any market condition.
GOLDEN bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/5TSD2YQRXGJHq39JQ: Use this bot when you think that the market is Bearish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in a conservative manner.
TOP GUN bot https://cryptotrader.org/strategies/6cCXxg7QyQsuGpyfT: Use this bot when you think that the market is Bullish, or whenever you want a bot of extreme quality ideal for trading in a aggressive manner.
Here are the efficiencies of these bots for the last 4 months. Note please that despite the market in this period had tremendous losses, all these 3 extreme quality bots have very high positive efficiencies.
For all of them please visit https://cryptotrader.org/topics/913623/thanasis-collection-pack
My opinion is that you must abstain from trades as long the prices don't break any of the above two trend lines.
SELL in the case of a down breakage and BUY in the case of an up breakage.
https://cryptotrader.org/topics/913623/thanasis-collection-pack
But should we use your bull or bear bots 
These are the resistance levels in a possible upward movement.
https://cryptotrader.org/topics/913623/thanasis-collection-pack
It was so simple for anyone here to make some money!
He had just to follow the instructions given on the previous post!
https://cryptotrader.org/topics/913623/thanasis-collection-pack
Seems that some interesting breakage is going to be formed.
A simple but effective trading strategy:
Buy at the lowest end of the regression channel and Sell at its highest end.
Also, trade in the same direction when the statistics of the market violate the regression channel, which means Buy on the upper breakage of the highest end and Sell on the down breakage of the lowest end (these two trade signals especially if they are accompanied with high volumes).
Awesome, thanks for the very useful answers. I'll probably use a paid version soon.
Hi BoneZor,
1)
Aggressive sensitivity: The more this amount is, the more the frequency of the trades, the more the risk, the more the expected gains.
Stop Loss percentage: The more this amount is, the more the stop loss lever is activated, the less the risk, the more tha false trades.
Volume confirmation: The more this amount is, the more the volume is needed in order the trade signal to be activated.
2)
You will have exchange orders only.
3)
Yes, all the funds.
4)
Yes, it leave them untouched.
5)
It will do nothing.
I suppose yes, the API problem is back (still on Kraken).
Have a good trading.
Regards.
Thanasis.
1)
Code:
Where could i find an explanation of the three parameters in Top Gun bot
Code:
(Aggressive sensitivity, Stop Loss percentage and Volume confirmation)?
Code:
I've noticed that the default settings (50) don't give optimal results.
Aggressive sensitivity: The more this amount is, the more the frequency of the trades, the more the risk, the more the expected gains.
Stop Loss percentage: The more this amount is, the more the stop loss lever is activated, the less the risk, the more tha false trades.
Volume confirmation: The more this amount is, the more the volume is needed in order the trade signal to be activated.
2)
Code:
If i use the bot on Bitfinex, does it do exchange orders only (no margin trading)?
You will have exchange orders only.
3)
Code:
On Bitfinex, does the bot automatically use all funds in the exchange wallet for every trade?
Yes, all the funds.
4)
Code:
Does it leave funds in the other two wallets (margin and deposit) untouched?
Yes, it leave them untouched.
5)
Code:
Suppose the balance is greater than the upper limit, will the bot still make trades with the maximum amount (€1000) or will it do nothing?
It will do nothing.
I suppose yes, the API problem is back (still on Kraken).
Have a good trading.
Regards.
Thanasis.
Thanks for the quick reply. I have a few more questions:
edit: i think the API problem is back (still on Kraken):
2014-10-21 04:00 Your balance exceeds the upper limit of 1000 €. Please upgrade.
2014-10-21 04:00 =====================================================
2014-10-21 04:00 position start: ||| (฿) : 2.00682926 ||| (€) : 10.5
2014-10-21 04:00 position today: ||| (฿) : 2.00682926 ||| (€) : 10.5
2014-10-21 04:00 ≡ price ||| start: 299.959 ||| now: NaN
2014-10-21 04:00 ≡ capital (฿) ||| start: 2.04184471 ||| now: NaN
2014-10-21 04:00 ≡≡ capital (€) ||| start: 612.47 ||| now: NaN
2014-10-21 04:00 ♦♦ efficiency (1 days) : ||| B/H: NaN % ||| Bot: NaN %
I've reported the problem in that thread you linked.
- Where could i find an explanation of the three parameters in Top Gun bot (Aggressive sensitivity, Stop Loss percentage and Volume confirmation)? I've noticed that the default settings (50) don't give optimal results.
- If i use the bot on Bitfinex, does it do exchange orders only (no margin trading)?
- On Bitfinex, does the bot automatically use all funds in the exchange wallet for every trade?
- Does it leave funds in the other two wallets (margin and deposit) untouched?
- Suppose the balance is greater than the upper limit, will the bot still make trades with the maximum amount (€1000) or will it do nothing?
edit: i think the API problem is back (still on Kraken):
2014-10-21 04:00 Your balance exceeds the upper limit of 1000 €. Please upgrade.
2014-10-21 04:00 =====================================================
2014-10-21 04:00 position start: ||| (฿) : 2.00682926 ||| (€) : 10.5
2014-10-21 04:00 position today: ||| (฿) : 2.00682926 ||| (€) : 10.5
2014-10-21 04:00 ≡ price ||| start: 299.959 ||| now: NaN
2014-10-21 04:00 ≡ capital (฿) ||| start: 2.04184471 ||| now: NaN
2014-10-21 04:00 ≡≡ capital (€) ||| start: 612.47 ||| now: NaN
2014-10-21 04:00 ♦♦ efficiency (1 days) : ||| B/H: NaN % ||| Bot: NaN %
I've reported the problem in that thread you linked.
There were an API error on the cryptosite.
Look at this link: https://cryptotrader.org/topics/106833/kraken-api-error
Now it seems that all are perfect.
Look at this link: https://cryptotrader.org/topics/106833/kraken-api-error
Now it seems that all are perfect.
I'm trying one of your bots on cryptotrader, TOP GUN Bot free version, on Kraken. However, it keeps saying "Your balance exceeds the upper limit of 1000 €. Please upgrade", even though i've decreased the balance to where it is now 2.0BTC and €10. Current price of BTCEUR on Kraken €301, so total balance should be around €612. Am i doing something wrong that it keeps giving that message? And yes i did stop and restart the bot after decreasing the balance.
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