Topic: That's it. I am done. This country is done. I am getting the fuck out of here. (Read 5645 times)

You know, that just might work....

Fair enough.  Your general statement is flawed though.

Sorry, I wasn't exactly replying, just making a general statement.

If we had a law that said breaking laws was illegal, it'd fix all of this.

I will say Bitcoin has treated me very well.

It's a long swim from Texas to the West Indies.

Bootstraps, idiot. The forest will be brimming with fruits and meat in mere admiration.

Time to tap the trust fund?

Interesting that you were willing to believe such crazy things.

That doesn't really answer my question.

But you're right.  Laws work for people who obey laws and they don't work for people who don't obey them.  Violent criminals, by their very definition do not obey the law, so why would they obey gun control laws?

I know a guy who was born and raised in NYC, and moved to my present city of Louisville, Kentucky because he is a chef's assistant and now works for General Electric in the appliances testing division, presumedly testing kitchen appliances.  He was both shocked and a little taken aback to learn that there existed so many firearms in the city, and that it was legal for citizens to walk around with them concealed.  What shocked him most was to learn that no one got hurt.  I believe in twenty years, there is only one case of a concealed carry license holder committing a gun crime in the entire state, and that wasn't here.  I've literally seen grown men with "assault" rifles slung over their backs downtown in Jefferson Park (for one of the earlier Tea Party events, before the movement was co-opted by the Republicans; best of luck staying independent OWS).  Cops around here don't get sideways with whomever they wish, like in NYC, and they damn well don't do 'no knock' home entries after dark.  That would be an exceedingly hazardous occupational risk, particularly if they got the address wrong.

This same guy couldn't get a license to drive in NYC; not only does he drive here, he owns a firearm.  As far as I know, he doesn't carry though.  This is one of the safest cities in America.

Ah, no.  That's not remotely accurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime

This is the largest study on the subject ever done, anywhere in the world.  The conclusion isn't even in contest, the results of states passing carry permits for any citizen are overwhelmingly in favor of the title of the book.  More guns in society results in less violent crime overall.  We can argue all day over why this is so, but not about the empirical facts.

So long as people don't want to die, laws work. That's changing more and more everyday.

Do you think they actually help keep violent criminals from obtaining weapons?  Honest question, not trolling.

Permissive gun laws did not cause that shooting.  A mental breakdown on the part of the shooter caused it.  Restrictive gun laws would not have stopped it either.  Washington DC and New York City have some of the highest violent crime and murder rates in the US, while they are two of the most restrictive jurisdictions in terms of purchasing or owning weapons.

That is patently false.  Statistics seem to indicate that gun possession reduces violence and crime.

Right, they get stabbed, or beaten with a bat.

Under federal law you must be 18 to buy a gun, but you may be able to possess the gun at 16 or so...check up on that.  You might be able to have your P90 sooner than you think.

Hmm. A constantly bored extremist who claims that he has the right to stop people from doing what he doesn't agree with a high powered automatic assault rifle. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

Just note that you can't edit the bullets of the people's bodies you shoot when you disagree with them, and if you try the cops will know.


Also, Atlas, this entire thread is garbage. You're going to leave the US just because some senators are exercising their freedom of speech and voting for a bill? What exactly about this process of self expression are you against? Did you in fact mean "If this happens, I want to leave"?

subject races? are you serious dude? Ok now this is getting scary bro

you turning this into something it is not, i never ever said I was against the right for people to own guns

ADOLF HITLER
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.”

Guns kill people and that's why they should not be in the hands of the few to rule over the populace. Every individual should be able to stand his own ground and be able to defend his own property.