Topic: The absolute insanity Congress is writing now... - page 3. (Read 1459 times)

yes can confirm. i checked my coins for "taint" back in 2011-2012ish somewhere. they were straight from a mining pool so they were deemed "clean"

forum consensus was it (taint) was a non issue back then iirc

Each state has their own laws about this, as this is not something the federal government talks about in too much detail.

But state legislators seem to be having lots of fun arguing about the merits of this or that. Well in this case, recording people. Also they have a lot more interest arguing about sex laws than anything related to privacy. That is how most of the restrictions you just mentioned probably came about to being law.

yep not to do with privacy, but to do with sex laws..
again if someone is being obviously and intently pervy/creepy then if the outraged parent calls the cops and the cops determine its a act suspected to be related to sex crime then it can be investigated.

most people just respectfully avoid recording certain situations just to avoid accusations and disagreement, even if its not against the law to do something innocent/non-intently/non creepily

Citation needed

Does this mean the restrictions have to do with sex-laws instead of privacy-laws?

Camera phones destroyed a short time of topless women on the beach. When people finally become less prudish, it didn't take long for the internet to make them cover themselves again.

that not a law. its not criminal to record a beach scene/public area that just happen to have kids in view

heck i just went to youtube and typed in "beach"
heck i just went to youtube and typed in "water park"
heck i just went to youtube and typed in "skate park"
heck i just went to youtube and typed in "public park"
heck i just went to youtube and typed in "recreational park"

and found LOADS of videos of amateur footage of people randomly recording their vacations and leisure time at the beach, parks and public areas that dont have kids blurred out and its obvious due to the nature of the videos that the person filming it is not some movie director who sends out a guy with a consent form.. and youtube hasnt/wont remove it

yes youtube might have policies to respect its users and so side with parent WISHES to not have their kids featured in a video on youtube. but its not a law. its a platforms own business decision. not a law/right

its not illegal to record kids while just filming in public..
yes its emotionally disrespectful/weird/pervy/creepy if you are obviously deliberately trying to film kids or nudists or topless females and yes thats 'icky' and again disrespectful and everyone has the ability to ask that you dont do it(out of resect) and people can call the cops if it appears someone is obviously recording in a way thats creepy. and cops can request(not order) it to be stopped to keep the peace. and do a investigation and if the cops find the guy recording is actually a creep then things can escalate to a crime

but the simple act of recording on a beach or water park randomly and it just happens that kids are in view does not require their parents consent

1.The creators of electrum came to negotiate.
2. Many users would abandon BTC (because of the news)

It's interesting, but from how many btc (68,000)? Is this a suspicious wallet?

Electrum is not even a company it's just a piece of software. Software does not have the ability to KYC people. Only companies do.

Well, I think these dudes are hell bent on centralizing crypto that they are blinded to the huge repercussions to their selfishness. Do they want to open a bigger door to crypto attacks? or are they not aware multiple address is also a security feature. They also want to put an end to the core feature of bitcoin by all means. How would we feel when the Elecrum wallet which we pride so much starts asking for KYC? Its crazy and would mean an end to decentralization and a new era of centralization of bitcoin which we hope would never happen.

Then you have to send in an application to the government to obtain a new wallet address which might even be compromised at the point of creation. Such irrationality in their thoughts to not know they are trying to make bitcoin less secure with this approach.

and what law is that exactly? enlighten us. i doubt loyce is underage though. 

you are not correct. If I go to a public beach and film I can not show the video
without permission if the people filmed are underage.

i can confirm franky is right about this. if loyce is talking about the USA then he is wrong. as long as someone is in public they can film anything they can see. and they don't need anyone's permission or anything. and they can publish the video to anywhere they want to. so if you don't want someone taking video of you sunbathing then keep the curtains drawn 

well most people in this forum are american so ill talk about them(and because this topic is about US congress thus people in US affected by it)
you are allowed to publish it.. and to quote many peoples favourite "american rights", the first amendment: freedom of speech and press, so anyone can publish anything thats in public
you dont even need permission from those you capture on camera.
theres a new trend happening of the 'freedom fighters' that do these things called first amendment audits where they go into outdoor public and also government(public) buildings and record inside there to test if the public employees know the first amendment and if they respond positively or negatively to being filmed

but as said before.. even if filmed in a non-public setting. and it appears on youtube. the only way you can use your right to privacy in private is to fight it after the invasion of privacy or take it to court and fight it after the fact.

anyways
i personally preferred bitcoin pre 2014 before governments over reached their jurisdiction by using the 'officially a currency' recognition as their first step into putting barriers in.. and also before core devs became governing "gods" of bitcoin by being sponsored to be politicians and economists instead of just being voluntary devs

bitcoin has changed both internally and externally politically.. and its worth knowing and acknowledging the changes to then know how to try to fight it, work around it

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you might want to check on that
blockchain.info used the term "taint analysis" even mtgox did and this was back in the days of 2010-2012

like i said use the forums search function for the word "taint" and do it between dates of like 4500 to 9999 days (pre 2012)
and you will surprise yourself at how the bitcoin community was talking about taint far before governments even started regulating money services/exchanges

I like it It'll be a cold day in hell before Bitcoin Core tells you your money is tainted.

When I'm outside, you're allowed to take a picture of me, but you're not allowed to publish it. Of course there's privacy.

Since we're on the topic of privacy: you know that removing part of the address still makes it very easy to find the full address once it's used, right?

i'm not sure how much privacy bisq really gives someone. not when most of the payment methods it supports like zelle, bank wire, ach, moneygram, western union. those things can be investigated and looked into and such. no matter if you're the one sending or receiving, there's still going to be records. what do you think about that, PrivacyG?

https://bisq.wiki/Payment_methods

oh wow it looks like you have gotten sophistocated though. Atomic swaps? i'm amazed someone actually does those rather than just pontificating about them from a theoretical standpoint. you should open a thread about that topic and how you do them.  


then that means you wouldn't need to declare any of that to the IRS since no one knows who you are. not until you actually spend them. or do something with them that allows you to be tracked. if they are just sitting there, you haven't really even taken possession of them and i would think that would hold up in court. but don't merge them. because once you merged them you have taken posession of them.

there are no kyc exchanges you can use them and hide coins.

you can mine to nicehash using a virgin address. No one knows who owns the address.

https://www.nicehash.com/my/miner/@@@@@@@@kslfsn5s@@@@@@zcsw32t9j@@@@@@@@@@@

point a ton of gear and that address will get a weekly deposit no one knows the owner of it. All they know is the amount of coins in it.

Since it gets weekly deposits of lets say 0.010 btc at years end it has 0.52 btc

If you have a bigger mine you can do it with 5 addresses and each will have 0.52 btc at years end. plus they are not breaking the rules as written since they are used 52 times a year.

at the end of the year. you can merge them into anyone of the five addresses you used repetitively  and you have 2.60 btc clean as by these rules. No one knows whom or is it who you are.

again you idiot. you dont have a right to privacy in public. because ITS PUBLIC
secondly you dont NEED a right to privacy because rights are laws created to give you permission of something

you can HAVE privacy by creating YOUR OWN privacy by YOU deciding what information to divulge and where..
your obsession about talking about "rights" is YOU needing other people to create laws of permission
do you get that??

 but if you want to rely on the LAW right of privacy you can only rely on it as a court argument after the fact of an infringement and not something that auto deletes your life history every time you speak, move, spend, cough or fart

you have no clue about the difference between actions vs rights
learn to not rely on rights and instead rely on your own actions.. take responsibility for your own actions

secondly the word "taint" has existed in the bitcoin community for many years
just use this forum search it will surprise you who made the word become a buzzword.. hint: it was not government

the only reason you want to pretend taint does not exist is so you can con innocent people into thinking there is no repercussions of them taking your coin... and the point of my argument against that is .. if there truly was no repercussions of people obtaining your coin(in your fantasy world pretending taint is not a thing). then why are you so adamant that you NEED to give away your own coin and get someone elses coin
and you want other people to join you in your schemes you promote

if you truly down deep in your heart believed there was no consequence.. you would not be crying about it and instead just keep your coins

factually down deep you know there is repercussions which is why you want other peoples coins. you just dont want to tell them of the consequences of them taking your coin because then they wont want your coin and they would stay away from your schemes

Don't count on it. He'll be prioritising round 2 of Trump NFTs.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro or anti anyone in with a chance. I just think no candidate (no, not even dear old McAfee) really understands Bitcoin enough nor cares about Bitcoin enough to want to do something. One would hope they only treat it the way they would treat free speech, but there are too many powerful skins in the game to allow even executive orders that would protect Bitcoin.

P.S. Was about to comment on no right to privacy in public but I recall already struggling to counter that straight-line-on-a-curvature logic before.

When Trump wins, I just hope that he'll find a way to overturn this or create a legislation that would cancel this one out, it's just an adversary for the bitcoin community in the USA, I mean it's definitely an insanity and more than that, it's a shitshow because who the hell would be enforcing this one strictly, it's not like it's difficult to bypass this, it's just a total inconvenience to the community.

First of all, thank you for mentioning the 'you have no right to Privacy' part.  It explains your mentality and why you are fighting so much against us.

Anyway.  The thing you do not realize is, you DO have a right to Privacy in public.

Or, do I have the right to watch you while you are doing what ever in a public toilet stall?  Do I have the right to sit 5 inches behind you at an ATM while you are withdrawing from it?  Do I have the right to snoop in on your conversations at the park?  As in, the right to sit 10 inches away from you and your friend and wherever you go I stay there too?  Do I have the right to snoop on your phone screen while you are sitting on a bench?

If I am a public personality and I want to not be recognized for Privacy reasons, does this mean I have no right to wear a cap and sunglasses?

And this is exactly where Mixers, Coin Joins, Atomic Swaps, Bisq et cetera come as the solution to your exact words!  I create that Privacy for myself.  I interact with Bisq users or Atomic Swap users who are just like me so I can have my Privacy and they can too.

Taint defined by who?  I have used most of the well known Wallets and NONE of them have EVER mentioned even a single time a thing about 'Taint'.  Mycelium, Electrum, Bitcoin Core, Unstoppable, Bread, Coinbase even back when I first started!  I visited so many Block Explorers and none of them have ever mentioned a single thing about 'Taint' either.  Blockchair, Blockchain, you name it.

Bitcoin has no TAINT concept.  This is an invented term by who?  Why would I care about this concept if it has nothing to do with Bitcoin itself?  On the same note is Know Your Customer, which is also an invention.  Do I need Know Your Customer to send you Bitcoin?  NO.  If I download Bitcoin and use it, is there any 'Taint' to worry about?  Or, is it present any where at all?  NO.

Then why the hell would I care about it again?

You are silly if you think that is the case.

Banks are moving TRILLIONS of Dollars related to Money Laundering and other illegal activity, pretty much all countries are corrupt, State Whistle blowers die in weird circumstances, Politicians make millions or even billions of Dollars in illegal Money.  But Bitcoin, which is barely even used at all as a Currency and the illicit segment of all Transactions probably amounts to less than 1 percent of the total illegal Money of only the examples I gave above, is getting restrictions over restrictions and absurd regulations.  Bitcoin is however the head of all Evil, the head of all danger and Money Laundering.

Now imagine how many out of the whole number of Bitcoin Transactions happen through Mixers.  The amounts are so low they are a drop in the ocean compared to what I just mentioned above.  Yet, Bitcoin is still the one they want more control over.  Only because it became defined by law as a Currency in 2014?

Sure.

OR, I can live head ache free and avoid Services that apply the nonsense concept of Taint or Know Your Customer, use Mixers or other obfuscating methods and just not care because there is nothing to trigger in a Peer to Peer Transaction anyway.  Bitcoin was supposed to be used Peer to Peer.  I am using it that way and I have not had a SINGLE problem in the past many years although I exchanged Bitcoin for other Cryptocurrencies, I traded Peer to Peer et cetera.