Topic: The big picture they've all been missing - page 2. (Read 755 times)
Very accurate and timing I have seen many projects coming out to say the coin is going to surpass bitcoin and some times I wonder can that ever happen considering the space bitcoin has covered already, bitcoin is the mother coin and all other cryptocurrencies depends on bitcoin for their growth so when you promote bitcoin you are also promoting your own coin no cryptocurrency without bitcoin.
Get the name right in the future.
I think we both know I got it right. You're not fooling anyone.
//EDIT: Also, did you send yourself a merit from your Shitecoin account to get out of newbie status?
People would always invent things and I believe that even without bitcoin the chances are cryptocurrency will eventually appear. Games had ecoins and some similar stuff which could eventually lead to the use of cryptocurrency. But on the other hand, we should take note that if it was not because of bitcoin which started the cryptocurrency, it is as well possible that cryptocurrency could not have gone this far. So we should all thank bitcoin and the originator for this like satoshi. For without him the utility that we get out of it will never be realized.
Of course we are so thankful for this great invention and this is the reason why many individuals have already change their life into a better one. This in only an inventions which could give a huge contribution to the community and a system which signifies digital currency will be an another options as a mode of payment.
People would always invent things and I believe that even without bitcoin the chances are cryptocurrency will eventually appear. Games had ecoins and some similar stuff which could eventually lead to the use of cryptocurrency. But on the other hand, we should take note that if it was not because of bitcoin which started the cryptocurrency, it is as well possible that cryptocurrency could not have gone this far. So we should all thank bitcoin and the originator for this like satoshi. For without him the utility that we get out of it will never be realized.
When bitcoin goes down, other coins follow, when the king is up, some come back with it. Not project usually survive a heated long bearish market. The bitcoin is independent of every other market, but most just almost all are dependent on the price movement of the bitcoin for their pricing or value. People will continue to ostensibly criticize the bitcoin in a hope to leverage on such fallacy in other to grow their project. But only newbies will believe those fallacies.
Bitcoin's price affect to altcoins directly and there are big correlation between financial assets included crypto. When money flows to safe assets,bitcoin's price also affected with this flow. On other case price increases if money chooses risky financial assets. 
First of all let me make this point clear: There's no Cryptos without Bitcoin
The space largely has two main sides: the tech, blockchain and the money, cryptos. We have all been seeing various projects develop and some are as dumb as saying they'll kill Bitcoin lol. It can't happen (at least now that Bitcoin controls way more than 10+% of the market)
So what all these new projects need to focus on is make sure to promote Bitcoin first. I say so because it is the bigger picture, and the hard truth.
Come to think of it, What type of news didn't we hear about Ripple last year??? But Ripple nearly tumbled until the recent Bitcoin gains helped out. As for fake satoshi, hehee.... his story is funny!! trying to kill Bitcoin??? lol.. that's the dumbest thing to do, and now look at his coin lol
Honestly, the mainstream valuate the whole space by the metrics of Bitcoin and so if you're a developer building anything and seeking mainstream adoption (which we definitely need), then you need to always promote Bitcoin
So in a nutshell, the logic is that, as Bitcoin grows, we all grow together in untiy and strength because Bitcoin is what binds crypto and blockchain mainstream adoption.
So let's stop the hate against Bitcoin and the zeal to kill BTC, you can't do that, you'll rather die and Bitcoin will be living lol without anyone adopting your project hehee. When Bitcoin is up, people will utilize products of the space like crazy.
There's no crypto without Bitcoin
The space largely has two main sides: the tech, blockchain and the money, cryptos. We have all been seeing various projects develop and some are as dumb as saying they'll kill Bitcoin lol. It can't happen (at least now that Bitcoin controls way more than 10+% of the market)
So what all these new projects need to focus on is make sure to promote Bitcoin first. I say so because it is the bigger picture, and the hard truth.
Come to think of it, What type of news didn't we hear about Ripple last year??? But Ripple nearly tumbled until the recent Bitcoin gains helped out. As for fake satoshi, hehee.... his story is funny!! trying to kill Bitcoin??? lol.. that's the dumbest thing to do, and now look at his coin lol
Honestly, the mainstream valuate the whole space by the metrics of Bitcoin and so if you're a developer building anything and seeking mainstream adoption (which we definitely need), then you need to always promote Bitcoin
So in a nutshell, the logic is that, as Bitcoin grows, we all grow together in untiy and strength because Bitcoin is what binds crypto and blockchain mainstream adoption.
So let's stop the hate against Bitcoin and the zeal to kill BTC, you can't do that, you'll rather die and Bitcoin will be living lol without anyone adopting your project hehee. When Bitcoin is up, people will utilize products of the space like crazy.
There's no crypto without Bitcoin
Let the fakers and scammers scream against the btc as they please
Who cares about their screams?
The btc is the crowned queen and there is no crypto without it
This is the truth for many years.
First of all let me make this point clear: There's no Cryptos without Bitcoin
The space largely has two main sides: the tech, blockchain and the money, cryptos. We have all been seeing various projects develop and some are as dumb as saying they'll kill Bitcoin lol. It can't happen (at least now that Bitcoin controls way more than 10+% of the market)
So what all these new projects need to focus on is make sure to promote Bitcoin first. I say so because it is the bigger picture, and the hard truth.
Come to think of it, What type of news didn't we hear about Ripple last year??? But Ripple nearly tumbled until the recent Bitcoin gains helped out. As for fake satoshi, hehee.... his story is funny!! trying to kill Bitcoin??? lol.. that's the dumbest thing to do, and now look at his coin lol
Honestly, the mainstream valuate the whole space by the metrics of Bitcoin and so if you're a developer building anything and seeking mainstream adoption (which we definitely need), then you need to always promote Bitcoin
So in a nutshell, the logic is that, as Bitcoin grows, we all grow together in untiy and strength because Bitcoin is what binds crypto and blockchain mainstream adoption.
So let's stop the hate against Bitcoin and the zeal to kill BTC, you can't do that, you'll rather die and Bitcoin will be living lol without anyone adopting your project hehee. When Bitcoin is up, people will utilize products of the space like crazy.
There's no crypto without Bitcoin
The space largely has two main sides: the tech, blockchain and the money, cryptos. We have all been seeing various projects develop and some are as dumb as saying they'll kill Bitcoin lol. It can't happen (at least now that Bitcoin controls way more than 10+% of the market)
So what all these new projects need to focus on is make sure to promote Bitcoin first. I say so because it is the bigger picture, and the hard truth.
Come to think of it, What type of news didn't we hear about Ripple last year??? But Ripple nearly tumbled until the recent Bitcoin gains helped out. As for fake satoshi, hehee.... his story is funny!! trying to kill Bitcoin??? lol.. that's the dumbest thing to do, and now look at his coin lol
Honestly, the mainstream valuate the whole space by the metrics of Bitcoin and so if you're a developer building anything and seeking mainstream adoption (which we definitely need), then you need to always promote Bitcoin
So in a nutshell, the logic is that, as Bitcoin grows, we all grow together in untiy and strength because Bitcoin is what binds crypto and blockchain mainstream adoption.
So let's stop the hate against Bitcoin and the zeal to kill BTC, you can't do that, you'll rather die and Bitcoin will be living lol without anyone adopting your project hehee. When Bitcoin is up, people will utilize products of the space like crazy.
There's no crypto without Bitcoin
Let the fakers and scammers scream against the btc as they please
Who cares about their screams?
The btc is the crowned queen and there is no crypto without it
This is the truth for many years.
It’s what everyone knows that bitcoin is the king. But many project now want to become first and now they are claiming to find solutions to the flaws and problems of bitcoin . This is why they are refusing to promote bitcoin so that they can be top. But they don’t know that the king is king and no one can replace it. Bitcoin is also working to be better so it won’t allow anyone to take its place. It’s better to suppprt the king for all round progress .
Yeah like those flaws won't be solved in the future with extra features.
It's understandable that they want to market they product and some(a lot) of marketers enjoy a bit of lying to sell. They are trying to make their business succeed which kind of makes sense but i don't personally agree with that philosophy. Reason why i have been avoiding a sales spot since forever.
Bitcoin will always be the main one even if in some point in the very long future it's nowhere to be seen again it will be remember and named first in any Cryptocurrency history tale or document. But even if that ever happens, i'm 100% sure that the technology inside it won't disappear.
Litecoin has everything bitcoin does, including segwit & LN, while still having ample onchain transaction capacity.
The Silver has surpassed the Gold.
The Silver has surpassed the Gold.
If precious metals are the analogy we're going with, clearly it's not practical to use Gold for every single last thing. Other metals have specific uses where Gold may not be appropriate. There's nothing wrong with that. But if "the Silver had surpassed the Gold", you wouldn't be the lone kook saying it. We have this little thing called 'Supply and Demand', which generally denotes what the market is doing.
Some would argue it's not all about cheap fees and spare capacity. If that's what you want to focus on, by all means, have fun with your beliefs. Network effects, security and adoption are also important factors to consider. Just know that not everyone shares your priorities and the market generally seems to have a rather different idea about which cryptocurrency is leading the way.
I completely disagree that other projects need to promote Bitcoin first.
Why would they need to do that? Bitcoin's success shouldn't be dependent on what other projects say about it.
This is also true the other way around, other projects' success shouldn't be dependent on what Bitcoin is doing, although that usually is the case now.
Why would they need to do that? Bitcoin's success shouldn't be dependent on what other projects say about it.
This is also true the other way around, other projects' success shouldn't be dependent on what Bitcoin is doing, although that usually is the case now.
Hehee...then it seems you still come back to support the OPs point.
I agree with him because apart from us in the space using the tech, every other person will judge the space by looking at Bitcoin metrics and the better they are te more lucrative people find other projects.
And honestly, we've witnessed better improvements in tech in the space but in reality their use cases aren't growing and why? Because Bitcoin is down and everyone thinks the whole crypto is down.
It’s what everyone knows that bitcoin is the king. But many project now want to become first and now they are claiming to find solutions to the flaws and problems of bitcoin . This is why they are refusing to promote bitcoin so that they can be top. But they don’t know that the king is king and no one can replace it. Bitcoin is also working to be better so it won’t allow anyone to take its place. It’s better to suppprt the king for all round progress .
Sure we really have to give respect and recognition where it is due, bitcoin pave the way for other alts to exist, without bitcointalk there wont be blockchain nor will there be other alts that are constantly growing in size by the day,
I highly doubt btc can be killed or there is yet another that can replace it, so as much as the new kid in the block
tries to discredit btc, it only brings more publicity,
And for other project, whether they chose to promote btc or not does not really make any difference since their project won't survive much without btc surviving as well
. So btc is here to stay signed and sealed.
I highly doubt btc can be killed or there is yet another that can replace it, so as much as the new kid in the block
tries to discredit btc, it only brings more publicity,And for other project, whether they chose to promote btc or not does not really make any difference since their project won't survive much without btc surviving as well
. So btc is here to stay signed and sealed. First of all let me make this point clear: There's no Cryptos without Bitcoin
you are wrong. existence of bitcoin was the reason for the altcoins to start but they don't rely on bitcoin to exist themselves. the technology is out and anybody can use it and improve it in their own implementation and there are SOME that are already doing that although we never see them because the top altcoins are pump and dumps and everyone only talks about them instead!Quote
We have all been seeing various projects develop and some are as dumb as saying they'll kill Bitcoin lol.
they are not dumb. they are actually experienced. what they are doing is advertising. they know very well that their shitcoin is useless and the only way they can pump it is if they advertise it like this and have it pumped with hype.Quote
It can't happen (at least now that Bitcoin controls way more than 10+% of the market)
define control?if you define it as whenever bitcoin price rises or falls, altcoins get dumped then bitcoin controls nearly 100% of the market!
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So what all these new projects need to focus on is make sure to promote Bitcoin first.
i disagree. there is no relationship between altcoins and bitcoin and there should never be any. altcoins should always be stand alone projects that explore the blockchain technology and the possibilities of doing things different than bitcoin because we can't change bitcoin but we can start a new coin (an altcoin) and have that change there. for example take LTC for example. we couldn't change the block time of bitcoin and make it any faster so we started LTC. we couldn't change PoW so the PoS, and a ton of other algorithms started,...
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So in a nutshell, the logic is that, as Bitcoin grows, we all grow together in untiy and strength because Bitcoin is what binds crypto and blockchain mainstream adoption.
you are wrong because what you are suggesting here is basically creation of shitcoins that praise bitcoin so that they can get pumped because they praised bitcoin. but what you are missing is that even if shitcoins get pumped, it will still be a pump and pumps don't last. so if for instance a shitcoin like XRP started praising bitcoin and then got pump it will still be dumped after a while and go back to its downward spiral of death because it is a "shitcoin" to begin with.Have you asked yourself why almost more than 90% of Ethereum DApps recorded null platform transactions recently??. That's because the money is gone and all I'm saying is that people will only use thses altcoins and sh*tcoins should Bitcoin move up.
And for those self-acclaimed Bitcoin killers, what did they gey in advance??, nothing.. take a look at their coins even after massive developments. I am not denying the fact that we need other tech advancements in the space, but I'm saying we may not reach where we want to if we start developing by saying we're gonna kill Bitcoin lol..
simple logic here is that;
Bitcoin goes up, ALTs go up, money flows into the space, people get attracted to the money, mainstream adoption grows, crypto grows. That's it.
Currently crypto is beneficial to traders and DApp users make negligible profits and that's why nobody is using DApps again lol.
So don't imagine everyone is in for tech lol...many are in for the money heehee...andbthe money will only come after Bitcoin is promoted (at least for now heehee)...
It is not the competing projects that can bring bitcoin down. The only ones who will bring it down are those who have the biggest stake in it. The Exchanges. Exchanges need fees to survive. Their fees depends on how many people get onboard the trading bandwagon at their respective sites.
These exchanges list all kind of alt-coins irrespective of merit, if any. The new money is coming in only for buying these newer projects. These are the people who simply have no interest in bitcoin's growth or survival. All they want is for the coin they invested in to reach enough value so that they can Fiat-out. Exchanges like Binance are working overtime on this.
Bitcoin will somehow survive in its own economy amongst the old timers and the trickle of new blood that feels good about its legacy. Yet, this could have been much more if the stakes on the altcoins were already not so high. The time is ripe for the worthy ones to grow separately.
These exchanges list all kind of alt-coins irrespective of merit, if any. The new money is coming in only for buying these newer projects. These are the people who simply have no interest in bitcoin's growth or survival. All they want is for the coin they invested in to reach enough value so that they can Fiat-out. Exchanges like Binance are working overtime on this.
Bitcoin will somehow survive in its own economy amongst the old timers and the trickle of new blood that feels good about its legacy. Yet, this could have been much more if the stakes on the altcoins were already not so high. The time is ripe for the worthy ones to grow separately.
I completely disagree that other projects need to promote Bitcoin first.
Why would they need to do that? Bitcoin's success shouldn't be dependent on what other projects say about it.
This is also true the other way around, other projects' success shouldn't be dependent on what Bitcoin is doing, although that usually is the case now.
Let other projects criticize Bitcoin, it's something you can't put a stop to and why would you?
Either it looks bad on those other projects or they may have some valid criticism that should be recognized.
Why would they need to do that? Bitcoin's success shouldn't be dependent on what other projects say about it.
This is also true the other way around, other projects' success shouldn't be dependent on what Bitcoin is doing, although that usually is the case now.
Let other projects criticize Bitcoin, it's something you can't put a stop to and why would you?
Either it looks bad on those other projects or they may have some valid criticism that should be recognized.
If all the news about Bitcoin influences the whole crypto market, I guess that is enough. No one can know whether this is going to happen, but to replace BTC with one of today's crypto, more things are needed to be change. It is like you want to change the fundamental of a 20-floor building.
There's no crypto without Bitcoin
That is like saying their are no Cars without a Ford Model T.no, actually this is like saying the rip off Chinese product that are copying legit brands like Apple's iPhone wouldn't exist without bitcoin. but obviously other products if are legit and good like Samsung will exist.
There's no crypto without Bitcoin
That is like saying their are no Cars without a Ford Model T.I must say, that I fully agree with OP, and your simple yet accurate analogy proves the point Khaos77 , although you didn't gave it much thought and so your conclusions ended up being misled.
Let's dwell on this idea for a second, in an alternate reality Henry Ford never decided to utilize his idea for an motorized assembly line.
Vehicles remained expensive due to being built by highly skilled, professional mechanist team. Spare parts have stayed costly and scarce, due to small requisition. Private transport revolution did not happen, no roads where necessary, no infrastructure.
Public means of transportations, like trains, ships, airplanes took over. Car remained something in shape of a wonder, short range, electric, unreliable gizmo. This may be hard to imagine as our history happened the way it did but such possibility exists nevertheless.
There would be no cars as we know them today without Ford T and there will be no altcoins without bitcoin.
My suggestion is that, instead of creating new coins for each separate businesses, why don't they use an established coins like Bitcoin or ETH. Instead of issuing digital tokens, they can issue a contract note which can be converted to either bitcoin or ETH after certain interval.
so you say that innovation should also die because we are seeing a lot of shitcoins?
that is not going to happen. there still are some good altcoins too, take Grin for example which made a lot of noise recently because bitcointalk started accepting it as payment. it has a broken supply model which can make it fail in the long run as it loses value but the technology is being used in an interesting way in this coin. and examples like this are rare but can still be found.
what we need is people who don't waste their money on shitcoins so that they wouldn't gain any traction. (of course unlike you I categorize ETH under shitcoins).
That is like saying their are no Cars without a Ford Model T.
Many other crypto are now on/off ramps into fiat and have market pairings.
I personally ignore bitcoin and use litecoin or doge for most crypto transfers.
Litecoin has everything bitcoin does, including segwit & LN, while still having ample onchain transaction capacity.
The Silver has surpassed the Gold.
Many other crypto are now on/off ramps into fiat and have market pairings.
I personally ignore bitcoin and use litecoin or doge for most crypto transfers.
Litecoin has everything bitcoin does, including segwit & LN, while still having ample onchain transaction capacity.
The Silver has surpassed the Gold.
I think all OP is trying to say is that Bitcoin is still the face of crypto, and that trying to bring it down actually brings the entire crypto space down -- not that I necessarily agree.
At the end of the day, Bitcoin is really all the mainstream knows. If it fails, it's going to be hard to convince them that some other Bitcoin-like currency can pick up where it left off. Lots of people already believe that Bitcoin is a ponzi, and even more don't believe it can live up to its potential. Can you imagine what would happen if it disappears and another coin tries to take its place? Alts could continue to exist, but global adoption would probably be nothing more than a pipe dream at that point.
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