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June 09, 2014, 07:53:17 PM
#33
bitcoin is supposed to be about people who question authority, but i see a lot of mob mentality with bitcoiners.

nah bitcoin is not about questioning authority. its about knowing authorities will only reply with lies.

so instead, bitcoiners make their own rules that dont need outside control. doesnt need anyone owning us.
QFT.

They lie because they believe themselves to be our masters, by right of their fancy titles and elections won by marketing teams. They back up this authority with violence.

I disagree, and I say any government is an unjust tyrant if they must rely on force instead of reason.

"Whoever lays his hand on me to govern me is a usurper and tyrant, and I declare him my enemy."
-Pierre Joseph Proudhon

"To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place[d] under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality."
-Pierre Joseph Proudhon, 1851, from The General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century
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June 09, 2014, 07:34:26 PM
#32
Is it safe to come out again?

I say this because on Sunday we saw the very worst of the so called 'Bitcoin Community' (apologies to most on this forum as probably the silent majority also watched) on both this forum and Reddit where literally hundreds of vitriolic, aggressive, threatening etc posts / conversations were sprayed out left right and center attacking the CEX.IO / GHash.IO entity, including death and violence threats to owners / users of that service.

It was totally pathetic and to me it showed one very good reason why Bitcoin has a lot of growing up to do. No, not because of the 51% issue (yes that does need to be addressed, but by the industry participants / guardians of the Bitcoin protocol themselves collaboratively) but because of the type of poisonous rhetoric that came forth over the past day or so. Just imagine a newbie to crypto currency having a look at this new opportunity doing a bit of research on the so called informative forums to be presented with the type of crap that was seen. They would quickly retreat back to the 'Yeh Mt.Gox and angry trolls is what Bitcoin is all about to me'

How can we have an industry grow and encourage innovation and expect mainstream uptake when companies that offer services people want to use get attacked and vilified because they are doing a good job and attracting customers over and above their competitors. Lets all attack Intel they have too many processors in the computer ecosystem, lets all attack Apple they have far too many mobile phones in the mobile ecosystem.

So for me, Bitcoin Community needs to learn a lesson from this and look at a way of collaboratively addressing the underlying issue.



It's safe again! No worries
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June 09, 2014, 07:09:23 PM
#31
Every population needs to deal with their criminals. its not the bitcoins problem. its the humanity
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June 09, 2014, 06:33:58 PM
#30
Reddit is terrible. I hate that place. It seems its always the most aggressive that gets noticed and it's a shame.

They also like to shut down political discourse that disagrees with the residents of their echo chamber. No thanks.
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Well hello there!
June 09, 2014, 05:49:58 PM
#29
The funny thing is that we are joining bitcoin because it's decentralized, but we still tend to prefer using the biggest exchange, the biggest pool, the biggest wallet. Etc

In essence we are centralizing a decentralized system by picking a favorite.

To truly keep bitcoin decentralized we should encourage competition. However to have competitors succeed the competitors should offer at least similar benefits than the most popular one, which can sometimes be hard.

Bingo!
They say history repeats itself. Left to our utmost freedom we end up centralizing, We end up pushing the difficulty higher and higher because WE want to have the fastest miner, and it's a matter of time before we have bitcoin banks.


Sad but true.  This I fear will be the reality of bitcoin...hard to keep so precious a thing decentralized for long.
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June 09, 2014, 04:58:00 PM
#28
Reddit is terrible. I hate that place. It seems its always the most aggressive that gets noticed and it's a shame.
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June 09, 2014, 04:54:40 PM
#27
Was I dead, or did I not see everyone in the Bitcoin community taking part in this? There's around a million people or so in Bitcoin right now. Whoever you saw doing it was probably a small fraction, considering, I go on Reddit and on here and didn't see anything of the sorts.

bitcoin is supposed to be about people who question authority, but i see a lot of mob mentality with bitcoiners.

Yup, every Bitcoiner has 'mob mentality'.  Roll Eyes You deserve a medal, or better, a Citizen Kane clapping GIF.

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June 09, 2014, 04:51:49 PM
#26
Was I dead, or did I not see everyone in the Bitcoin community taking part in this? There's around a million people or so in Bitcoin right now. Whoever you saw doing it was probably a small fraction, considering, I go on Reddit and on here and didn't see anything of the sorts.

bitcoin is supposed to be about people who question authority, but i see a lot of mob mentality with bitcoiners.

Yup, every Bitcoiner has 'mob mentality'.  Roll Eyes You deserve a medal, or better, a Citizen Kane clapping GIF.
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June 09, 2014, 04:46:37 PM
#25
bitcoin is supposed to be about people who question authority, but i see a lot of mob mentality with bitcoiners.

nah bitcoin is not about questioning authority. its about knowing authorities will only reply with lies.

so instead, bitcoiners make their own rules that dont need outside control. doesnt need anyone owning us. where we do the research, we do the decision making and we form our own opinions, and help out who we think we want to help out
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June 09, 2014, 03:58:13 PM
#24
bitcoin is supposed to be about people who question authority, but i see a lot of mob mentality with bitcoiners.
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Nope..
June 09, 2014, 03:53:12 PM
#23
Uh, okay.
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June 09, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
#22
Wait.   Lets regroup:

How long are we going to keep saying "This needs to be addressed" ?

Who is the person that is supposed to address it?

Where has that person / group placed this issue in the queue?

This is one of those things that people keep saying we need to address, but it never gets addressed.

Why is that?

What steps are being taken to fix the lack of progress?

If its the core dev team, they have a process in place for reporting issues, changes, enhancements.   Where is this specific issue in that queue?

If its the miners, then who is organizing the communication and putting together a process to get a concensus and get this resolved now?

Decentralized systems don't have a central organizing entity for situations like this. 

-B-
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June 09, 2014, 02:24:16 PM
#21
reddit is hardly an example of community, look what they did with Doge, they basically kicked moolah out with their aggressiveness and censorship.

Yup, Reddit and Doge go hand in hand, like Dumb and Dumber.
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June 09, 2014, 09:47:40 AM
#20
Human nature evolved to be what it is today so we could survive what our surroundings (other humans and rest of the nature) throws at us. It's nature's way (survival of the strongest) that make us do alot of things that we shouldnt do. It's our nature and it's hard to change (not saying that we cant or should not change, just saying that it's hard). But what we can easy do is change world around us, in this case BTC ecosystem. If BTC was to be changed to penalize big pools, or to reward p2p pools or something else, our biggest problem would be resolved.
There are so many good solutions to problems that BTC has, but noone cares to implement them.

Instead of "protecting network" with hardware, we should protect it with software. Instead of fixing problems caused by software, with software, we fix them with hardware etc. But hey...as long as hardware companys have as much influence on BTC development as they do have now, norhing will change. Humans will be humans.
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June 09, 2014, 09:36:29 AM
#19
The reason the rhetoric became so barbaric and horrifying is because in capitalism, most people value money more than they value life (human included).

I saw the same thing happen in the physical world of my community (NYC) during the last gas crisis. People threatening each other, fist fights, one guy even pulled a gun on someone at a gas station.

If humanity is going to survive the 21st century, we need to abandon all violence and instead turn to reason to solve our problems. Like it or not, that means moving beyond capitalism and the nation-state, both of which rely on systemic, hierarchical violence to exist. Remember, our world is a zero-sum game between reason and violence. As one increases, the other diminishes.

Let's choose reason - let's choose life, fellow humans. Humanity can do better than war. Humanity can do better than poverty and starvation. Humanity can do better than capitalism.

Related: How much is a life worth?
Related: Sunset of the State
Related: The Long Reach of Reason
Related: Capitalism Hits the Fan
Related: The World Peace Game
Related: Alternative Economy Cultures
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June 09, 2014, 09:17:52 AM
#18
The funny thing is that we are joining bitcoin because it's decentralized, but we still tend to prefer using the biggest exchange, the biggest pool, the biggest wallet. Etc

In essence we are centralizing a decentralized system by picking a favorite.

To truly keep bitcoin decentralized we should encourage competition. However to have competitors succeed the competitors should offer at least similar benefits than the most popular one, which can sometimes be hard.
+1
and thats why a true bitcoiner SHOULD complain when something is at risk of being centralised and controlled.

sitting back and letting things happen should be kept for the FIAT sheeple. although i never thought ghash had any intentions of doing anything nasty if/when they reach atleast 51% control, it should still be noted that we need to keep the network split apart between many pools.

and as a personal note although i seen not that many actually insult ghash the other day i do like and find very amusing how the OP himself whinges about others whinging. and insults others for insulting. which makes himself part of his own problem.

the problem in is eyes is that we are all individuals, with our own opinions and own self control not paid PR staff with a single agenda.. which to me is the solution, not the problem

this thread is over now.
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June 09, 2014, 07:42:26 AM
#17
The funny thing is that we are joining bitcoin because it's decentralized, but we still tend to prefer using the biggest exchange, the biggest pool, the biggest wallet. Etc

In essence we are centralizing a decentralized system by picking a favorite.

To truly keep bitcoin decentralized we should encourage competition. However to have competitors succeed the competitors should offer at least similar benefits than the most popular one, which can sometimes be hard.

Bingo!
They say history repeats itself. Left to our utmost freedom we end up centralizing, We end up pushing the difficulty higher and higher because WE want to have the fastest miner, and it's a matter of time before we have bitcoin banks.

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June 09, 2014, 06:55:15 AM
#16
The funny thing is that we are joining bitcoin because it's decentralized, but we still tend to prefer using the biggest exchange, the biggest pool, the biggest wallet. Etc

In essence we are centralizing a decentralized system by picking a favorite.

To truly keep bitcoin decentralized we should encourage competition. However to have competitors succeed the competitors should offer at least similar benefits than the most popular one, which can sometimes be hard.
+1
and thats why a true bitcoiner SHOULD complain when something is at risk of being centralised and controlled.

sitting back and letting things happen should be kept for the FIAT sheeple. although i never thought ghash had any intentions of doing anything nasty if/when they reach atleast 51% control, it should still be noted that we need to keep the network split apart between many pools.

and as a personal note although i seen not that many actually insult ghash the other day i do like and find very amusing how the OP himself whinges about others whinging. and insults others for insulting. which makes himself part of his own problem.

the problem in is eyes is that we are all individuals, with our own opinions and own self control not paid PR staff with a single agenda.. which to me is the solution, not the problem
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June 09, 2014, 06:37:41 AM
#15
The funny thing is that we are joining bitcoin because it's decentralized, but we still tend to prefer using the biggest exchange, the biggest pool, the biggest wallet. Etc

In essence we are centralizing a decentralized system by picking a favorite.

To truly keep bitcoin decentralized we should encourage competition. However to have competitors succeed the competitors should offer at least similar benefits than the most popular one, which can sometimes be hard.
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June 09, 2014, 05:00:43 AM
#14
Nothing to see here people, move along, move along.

Seems to be safe again  Wink
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