Topic: The Bitcoin Forum treats new members this way, and it will only go to extinction (Read 508 times)

Wot. AFAIK Satoshi claims aren't moderated here and narcissism is baseline activity.

Not even scammers are moderated.

Just spammers basically. Shouldn't be too hard of a job one would think.

• It is indeed very necessary.
  Respect the predecessors who have contributed to this, but also maintain the new impetus to accept the progress of the times.

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• His offense is meaningless, because I browsed his past cursing posts.He hates intentional plagiarism, hates others for challenging the rules, and does not understand why newcomers do not read the rules in advance.It can be seen that he has not progressed with the times.
• He doesn't understand that the current users are getting younger and younger and need to understand their habits. I would like to ask Mr. The Pharmacist, do you and your dad have exactly the same ideas? I don't know if you have any children. Will all your children do everything in the same rhythm as you? As a legend, what you should do is to help them come to the forum with love. Hope they learn to handle things steadily.
• Your stubborn requirement is that every newcomer must, like you, read the rules for a few months before entering the forum to be eligible to post on the forum. This is unrealistic.
  No one will never make mistakes. If they make a mistake, they think that this person is not suitable for staying in the forum. This is barbaric, and one size fits all will make the forum lose more. There are strict rules but also love and human tolerance.

Who has time to monitor the millionth person claiming to be Satoshi or claiming to own extremely valuable yada yada,
besides the spammers and scammers.

lol

I am also a newcomer. I don’t participate in the bounty program, because I don’t like the feeling of being surrounded by ALT. Many people’s active value is very high, but the merit is 0. So I feel that the forum should set a high threshold for the bounty program, and there is no natural shielding. Value newcomer users will not have so many scams. When a person or a team is inspired by the interests, things become meaningless. If all the bounty programs can be interviewed and reviewed by the administrators and staff, I feel better. So I will feel like you in the future, it doesn't make sense, I will leave this section. In fact, there is some helplessness.

We really could use some fresh blood in the moderation department.

That's so offensive, I'm leaving!

• Just now I browsed some posts again. Of course, I agree with what you said that there will be some new people (including old members) who will publish some posts of no quality for the purpose of doing bounty programs or signing activities. In this case, you must be there. But not all newcomers are in this situation, and should be handled according to the actual situation, not one size fits all.
• I am not for the bounty program and signature. Believe it or not, I cannot judge how valuable my historical posts are and whether they are helpful to others, but I also don’t think my posts are spam and polluting forum posts. Because I believe in one thing, that is that a dark heart cannot have a brilliant face. I really study in the community and strive to output my value. Although as a newcomer I am not particularly smart, but I love this place of.
• The forum should not judge whether it should stay in the forum by maturity or immaturity, but by whether it can absorb knowledge and create value in the forum. All mature people grow up slowly from immaturity.

I'm not.  There are some who are great, and I love giving them merits.  But I'm speaking in generalities, and as an example of how bad newbies are in general to the forum, Theymos had to create the merit system in order to curb the rampant account farming and shitposting that was being done primarily by low-ranked accounts.  The problem persists even today, with newcomers rushing to the forum to join bounties or sig campaigns, and they don't care about the quality of their posts, just the number of them.  You weren't here for the darkest days of bitcointalk back in 2018, so hopefully that enlightens you a bit.

No it isn't.  I have no power to stop anyone from joining or staying on the forum.  If you assign that much power to me, that says more about you than it does me.

That isn't true, either, nor do all "old users" treat members in whatever way you're thinking.  Perhaps you're also lumping groups of members together?  And believe me, it doesn't matter how rudely newbies get treated.  They'll keep coming and doing the same shit they've been doing for years: polluting the forum with one-line nonsensical posts with zero value.  Again, not all of them, but I'd say the majority of them do that.

What networks are you talking about?  And why is it too much of an expectation that people do some reading on a forum before they jump in and start posting?  That's perfectly acceptable as long as someone has something worthwhile to say, or if they have legitimate questions that need to be asked--and I say need, because most questions can be answered by utilizing that nice little search button that a lot of newbies ignore. 

Also: most new members don't even have the patience or the willingness to read the rules, as evidenced by the number of ban appeal threads in Meta.  That's a problem.

Sure I can; you just don't like it.  But the fact is that if someone is mature, they won't Leeroy Jenkins themself onto a forum and just start complaining about how rudely they're being treated.  They'd know the internet can be a cold, cruel place and any attempt to change other people's attitudes, behaviors, or anything else is an unrealistic goal.  A mature person would see that the forum isn't the right fit for him/her and go elsewhere--and believe me, that isn't going to kill bitcointalk.  You're giving yourself way too much credit.

I don't say that to everyone.  I say that to people who show no evidence of having a spine.  You might think you're fighting back, but what you're doing is pointless.

I never said I represented anyone other than myself.  Argument: FAIL.

Who came up with the rule that if a user gets banned, they can't post to other threads anymore? Was that the rule for everyone? Why is this branch still alive? Why is the banned user's second account, Scarlett @ good luck, still active?
I like the comparison with the generation of snowflakes. Newbies today are very sensitive. We must run after them everywhere and warn about every wrong step. Wipe off the snot and listen to their tears for what they could not do on their own in time. If the forum needs such people, then rename it to a kindergarten, not even a school.
A test of the mad love for this forum will be the ban on signatures for a period of more than a year. This is a litmus test for those who sing so sweetly about their unfulfilled plans.
You will see all the "love" for this forum if this divine dandelion remains, and even achieves something during this time.

• 1. All heroes and legendary members have grown up from novices. Different novices have different problems. You can't put all newbies on one level. Your tone is full of nobility and superiority. All faults are attributed to the novice, and it is your superior attitude that prevents the newcomer from entering the forum. If all old users treat novices in this way, then new users will not be able to enter, and the forum is doomed to perish.
• 2. The current networks are fast-paced networks. How many users will have the patience to lie in for a few months before communicating? You can't ask all novices to be like you, just like there are things you can't do, but others can do.
• 3. The age of the novice has nothing to do with the posts you publish. You can't age discrimination. Are you not qualified to publish your opinions when you are 20 or younger? I don’t know what the bounty program is, and where is the signature event, I haven’t seen it yet? Why do you say that I came to the forum for these?I just checked that the forum has a bounty program section, which is a section of the forum itself. Why are you newcomers to the bounty program so disgusted?Although I am studying, but I feel a bit extreme。
• 4. Why do you say that I have no spine? When this happens, most people choose to leave the forum and never come back. I choose to defend my rights and speak for myself

I disagree with every word you say, but I respect your right to speak.
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Nope. The forum has become way too tolerant to plagiarising assholes and other shitposting scum. There was a time that one report could get you banned and that perhaps was too harsh but now it's gotten to the point where it might take 10-20 reports of a serious intentional rule violation to get even a temp ban, if that. Let's see how long it takes to get you banned for evasion.

If anything, I think allowing shit-stirrers like you to drown out legitimate users with your preposterous walls of text is contributing to "killing" the forum but it's part of the whole free speech shtick so whatever, have at it. Thank God for inventing the Ignore button.

And definitely not bitcointalk, which does indeed have a prickly atmosphere.  You either suck it up and deal with it or you leave--you're not going to change anybody's behavior by complaining that they're being mean.  And frankly, half the reason why older members are "rude" to newbies is because newbies have caused most of the problems, whether it's shitposting for bounties, spamming, necrobumping, or what have you--and all without first reading the rules.

Yeah, and if learning is the goal, you would do well to just lurk here for a few months before registering.  That way, you'd get a sense of what the bitcointalk culture is like ahead of time, and you'd be prepared (or you just wouldn't create an account).  I don't understand why someone would just join a forum without visiting it at least a few times beforehand.  I've done that for every forum I've ever been a member of.

Ah, so you wanted to join a bounty/signature campaign as soon as possible, and you just want the forum to be nice and comfortable for you.  Got it.

Are young people these days learning how to grow a spine and not be so fuckin' snowflakey?  I'm guessing by the content of OP's post that he's probably in his 20s or even younger.  If this so-called rudeness bothers him so much, it makes me wonder how he functions in real life.

I think that the whining will only get worse in the coming years because the woke movement is slowly rising in power and we are currently in a snowflake generation that gets butthurt so easy even with just a simple banter or two. For me, I think the rude and snide remarks can go away and it's definitely a problem because it sort of gatekeeps newbies from the forum.

Yes, I tried to modify that wall, thank you.

I think this kind of information is very important for novices, at least make sure that the following articles or one of them can be read by novices when registering.
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
Newbies - Read before posting
[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism
[GUIDE] Plagiarism and how to avoid it.


I asked this question a few weeks ago. There must be some members who are interested in each other in the forum that has lasted for more than 10 years, thus forming small groups.

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I almost finished reading this post, it is always interesting to read old posts. In addition, the time machine is great.  
Don't know how long it will take me to join. lol

Might I suggest you focus on your ban appeal thread? Rewrite the OP, get rid of the textwall, and stop breaking more forum rules while waiting for a response to your ban appeal.

You are angry, are you afraid of others seeing it? You no longer have the grace you deserve as a legendary user. The moderator can block my account again, but this topic is now an undeniable topic of discussion value. I believe those who support this topic will continue to defend it.
Newcomers are killed because they don't understand the rules, and their accounts are permanently closed. Shouldn't you have a chance to speak for yourself?

I've sent you a merit because I am a gangster as well.  

On a more serious note, I didn't understand why you called them gangsters, now I understand you better.


Who knows. It would not be the first case of a person who starts by misusing the forum and ends up being someone important in it:

Don't give up on the Noob you encounter on the forum, help them BUIDL.

Or:


Lol.

I respect everyone (lovesmayfamilis, LoyceV), because as a novice, they give me confidence and a sense of accomplishment. I am really stating the facts, not representing personal feelings, and simply expressing my own opinions. I will only stand in what I think On the right side, and my purpose is not to have a heated debate with you, my purpose is only one, the forum is getting better and better. I don't agree with what you said, these are all my ideas, no doubt. It is normal for this author (scarlett7777) to be banned. What is abnormal is the one-size-fits-all approach of the forum. Poker Player's views are personal and emotional, not objective, and I will not say that what you are talking about is nonsense.

That's not true. I've seen people try to change rules, and I've seen rules adjusted because of community requests. I do believe both Bitcoin and Bitcointalk need new users to grow it's potential.

Although this is true, and although technically this topic by itself is ban evasion and thus not allowed, I believe the plagiarism rule sometimes hits the wrong people.
Don't get me wrong: it is plagiarism, and not allowed. But plagiarism (and copyright violations) are all over the internet. When I report plagiarism, I often can't even tell which site has the original, because so many sites have copied the same text.

You know that's a joke, right?

I think you don't realize this isn't deserved in 99% of the plagiarism cases. But there are exceptions, and considering how common plagiarism is on the internet, a Newbie welcome message with a warning would surely help for the few real "accidental" cases.

In OP's case, I think he (she?) can be a contributing user, and I don't think they'll plagiarize again after this warning.

How do you know they are women? And what do you care if they are women or men?


It is undeniable that what you say is just a huge bullcrap. Those who use this forum responsibly, without cheating, to learn and share opinions do not abandon it.


In other words, people who have merited you are gangs:



Edit: the main gangster has merited you again for what you say.


I get it now. It seemed to me too delusional.


Not with your ideas, that's for sure.

You are prohibited from posting on the forum after being banned.

You can only write to your branch on appeal. What are you hoping for? You were simply and told by the moderator that you have no chance.


Stop breaking the rules. It would be useful to know them while you are on the forum.
Moderators, please close the topic.

Not only new members everyone will get such treatment unless they do something extraordinary and made everyone to turn into their side this is not only common in bitcointalk but everywhere you will get such responses initially. But why we need to take all those replies personally just remember that this is an online forum and everyone here is same to others because bitcointalk have same rules for newbies as well as legendaries.

I never escaped!
When I posted the first post, you came to comment on plagiarism. I thought you were a friendly reminder. At that time, you thought you were very friendly. You can report me at that time and let me sacrifice a month ago, but you waited until A month later, I have feelings for the forum. After putting all my energy into reporting me and destroying me, what is your intention?
Is it honorable to show your brutal reporting method?

Up to now, in all the replies, there are three women, lovesmayfamilis, mk4, and finally I personally feel that the author is also a woman. The inspiration I got is that you really take everything seriously. But it is undeniable that what the author said and quoted really caused many young people to leave the Bitcoin forum. I think we should face it positively. Because newcomers do not have the habit of forums, the old members and high-level members of the forum who have merits are not policemen, nor do they have to play the role of judges.

Outside of any rules or laws, there is warmth. Don’t let newcomers not feel the love of the Bitcoin forum, rather than cold arguments. Secondly, I also found that the forum has gangs, such aslovesmayfamilis，LoyceV。

They seem to be a gang. I agree with their job responsibilities, but I am not optimistic that a Bitcoin forum is divided into many gangs. Bitcoin is decentralized. I think Bitcoin forums should be more free.

One more thing I want to say is that unintentional plagiarism, or well-intentioned plagiarism, does not bring any harm to readers. My reason is that plagiarism does not mean cheating, lying, or creating rumors. At most, the problem lies in disrespect for the author of the original article, but in the Internet information age, we have not yet developed that all speeches have clear copyright.

I think that for novices’ unintentional plagiarism, we can remind or give a warning and let the author indicate the source. I think this is our responsibility. In other words, a forum user manual will be automatically pushed after successful registration of the forum.

It’s okay to ban the author’s account. I don’t think this is the point of the whole thing. The point is how the Bitcoin forum can do better.

The effort you are putting in these threads you could have put in creating quality posts without plagiarizing, it is obvious that you have the ability. You chose the fast track, cheating. Now don't complain, take the consequences of your actions.

1. So OP plagiarized, which is a serious offense, and got banned.
2. OP is apologizing in the thread, and people are telling why it's a serious offense(without actually being rude) hence irreversible.
3. Now we have this thread.

Ok.

Ban evasion.

Here is the cause of the matter, which may have nothing to do with "Rudeness on the Internet".I think this is the reason why OP made this post.

My account has been banned, I was unintentional, please give me some help.

The evil fees aside, are we honestly still complaining about rude people over the internet? In 2021? In the first place, most people here wouldn't be unnecessarily rude unless you do something really really shady. But in grand scheme of things, if you're really easily offended by random anonymous strangers over the internet, then the internet is probably not for you.

And in the first place, if your main intention was to learn, you'd just ignore those "rude people" and just continue doing your research.

I remember coming to the forum to start learning a month ago. I thought I found the treasure. I am a little embarrassed to study by myself. I just want to publish as many posts as possible and make some contributions. I am very happy. I didn't expect it to be so fast. Begin to summarize the decadent system of the forum and question whether the current system really meets the original intention of the forum?

Why are old users repelling new users because they have contributed to the forum for a long time? So you can feel superior? How many new users have been beaten to death by the arrogance of these old guys, everyone You can check the latest post.
When everyone came to the forum to post with enthusiasm, they did not receive a warm welcome,
but first to see if there was any problem with the other party, and the proud friends started to take action.
When some people enjoy finding newcomers for fouling, and they are praised for doing well, what kind of forum status is this, what kind of atmosphere? Is this positive energy?
Newcomers need to be careful when entering the forum, because someone will come out and say you problem.

I have feelings in the forum and feel that this forum is valuable, so I wrote this appeal post here.
The vast majority of banned novices may never come to the forum again.
How I adore the legendary users at the beginning, they reply to me, I will be so happy, I think it is a great honor to be able to get the guidance of the legend.
And now I don’t think so. Legend does not understand the status quo of new users entering the forum, they have become accustomed to the rules of the forum. They no longer want to change but are satisfied with the status quo.
This is the inherent arrogance and prejudice of these legendary users on the forum,But most people forget that they also came from a novice step by step.
The forum should be more tolerant to novices, rather than just killing them.

I have explained articles about me being reported by that person many times. I still don't know how to post. I tried to publish it. I am very happy to see someone comment. I'm curious. At that time, I also saw the comment that the guy gave me. At that time, I didn't know where to modify the post.
But no one dares to stand up for new users, no one dares to challenge the rules, and novices who are bullied by those guys dare not stand up because their opponents are old users.
They have contributed to the forum because they are older than us. Blame my mother for not giving birth to me earlier. If I was born 10 years ago, it would be a legend.