The blockchain breaks the privacy laws (?) - page 2.

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on July 28, 2014, 03:59:44 AM

I believe that nobody has the right to record the transactions of the people. It is illegal.

I believe you are right. You should sue bitcoin.
Also don't forget to sue the internet. It records not only transactions but practically everything you do online. What you see, what you hear, with whom you talk...

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Quote from: Mobius on August 12, 2014, 10:34:04 PM

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on July 27, 2014, 05:01:43 AM

I believe that the blockchain breaks the privacy laws. Do you agree?

If bitcointalk.org does not violate privacy laws by publishing your comments, the blockchain does not violate privacy laws by publishing your transaction. Cheesy

This actually is a very good point, and a good way of looking at it. When you broadcast a transaction you are publicly broadcasting your TX for anyone and everyone to see.

Thanks! If you are really looking for privacy, there are so many other options for you to explore.

Bitcoin really does give you a sufficient amount of privacy for the "average joe" it is just that every transaction is public (this is the OP's concern). For most people, it is very difficult to link your identity to any specific transaction, and any one of your transactions to another one of your transactions (if you use change addresses properly).

Right I agree with this. Hey another option is using a new address with every transaction that way no one will link you to easily see all your transactions.

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Quote from: botany on August 12, 2014, 07:34:44 PM

Quote from: Mobius on August 12, 2014, 10:58:27 AM

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on July 27, 2014, 05:01:43 AM

I believe that the blockchain breaks the privacy laws. Do you agree?

If bitcointalk.org does not violate privacy laws by publishing your comments, the blockchain does not violate privacy laws by publishing your transaction. Cheesy

This actually is a very good point, and a good way of looking at it. When you broadcast a transaction you are publicly broadcasting your TX for anyone and everyone to see.

Thanks! If you are really looking for privacy, there are so many other options for you to explore.

Bitcoin really does give you a sufficient amount of privacy for the "average joe" it is just that every transaction is public (this is the OP's concern). For most people, it is very difficult to link your identity to any specific transaction, and any one of your transactions to another one of your transactions (if you use change addresses properly).

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Quote from: Mobius on August 12, 2014, 10:58:27 AM

Quote from: botany on August 11, 2014, 08:09:05 PM

Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on July 27, 2014, 05:01:43 AM

I believe that the blockchain breaks the privacy laws. Do you agree?

If bitcointalk.org does not violate privacy laws by publishing your comments, the blockchain does not violate privacy laws by publishing your transaction. Cheesy

This actually is a very good point, and a good way of looking at it. When you broadcast a transaction you are publicly broadcasting your TX for anyone and everyone to see.

Thanks! If you are really looking for privacy, there are so many other options for you to explore.

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Quote from: botany on August 11, 2014, 08:09:05 PM

Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on July 27, 2014, 05:01:43 AM

I believe that the blockchain breaks the privacy laws. Do you agree?

If bitcointalk.org does not violate privacy laws by publishing your comments, the blockchain does not violate privacy laws by publishing your transaction. Cheesy

This actually is a very good point, and a good way of looking at it. When you broadcast a transaction you are publicly broadcasting your TX for anyone and everyone to see.

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on July 27, 2014, 05:01:43 AM

I believe that the blockchain breaks the privacy laws. Do you agree?

If bitcointalk.org does not violate privacy laws by publishing your comments, the blockchain does not violate privacy laws by publishing your transaction. Cheesy

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You need to set your priority right. I mean I still haven't found any faults. Can you specify it please?

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Quote from: cocos on August 01, 2014, 12:10:20 AM

Quote from: jjc326 on July 29, 2014, 10:07:24 AM

What privacy laws are you even talking about? That's the first question.

Most "privacy laws" only deal with certain information such as name, address, SS#, etc., stuff like that. The fact that you're engaging in BTC transactions means you probably agree to have your "information" broadcasted on the blockchain.

It is still illegal. It doesnt matter if you agree or disagree.

It's called waiver and yes sometimes it does matter if you agree or disagree, as you put it. In any case my first line still stands - you need to say what laws you think the blockchain violates. "privacy laws" as you put it is not a law or something you can point to in court.

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Quote from: keithers on August 06, 2014, 01:54:24 PM

Quote from: Este Nuno on August 01, 2014, 02:07:45 PM

It's a completely different system at play here so I don't think we can apply those laws.

Plus, it's a voluntary act. Using Bitcoin that is.

I think this is true, I would say that you sacrifice your right to privacy by choosing to use BTC. If you were forced to use BTC, then maybe you would have a case

It is not possible to force someone to use bitcoin. Once you control an address, no one can force you to sign a TX that spends your coins.

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on July 27, 2014, 05:01:43 AM

I believe that the blockchain breaks the privacy laws. Do you agree?

Why? If you believe that, then post reasoning to explain yourself. I mean no offense, but a post like this with no explanation does no good. If you have no idea, then word it as a question.

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Quote from: Este Nuno on August 01, 2014, 02:07:45 PM

It's a completely different system at play here so I don't think we can apply those laws.

Plus, it's a voluntary act. Using Bitcoin that is.

I think this is true, I would say that you sacrifice your right to privacy by choosing to use BTC. If you were forced to use BTC, then maybe you would have a case

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Quote from: Este Nuno on August 01, 2014, 02:07:45 PM

Plus, it's a voluntary act. Using Bitcoin that is.

This is the most important fact in the conversation. Since consumers voluntarily provided their transaction data to the blockchain (when they sent the TX), knowing that the information would be public they have no standing to sue over privacy laws.

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It's a completely different system at play here so I don't think we can apply those laws.

Plus, it's a voluntary act. Using Bitcoin that is.

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Quote from: Sindelar1938 on July 28, 2014, 11:01:02 PM

Every transaction recorded on the ledger is the result of somebody's sovereign decision to engage with the btc protocol
They are implicitly waiving any right to privacy (in that narrow sense), in my book anyway

^ This. To send bitcoins, you literally publish a transaction. It would be a bit like posting a picture on the Facebook and then claiming your privacy was breached by Facebook displaying the photo.

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There is no anonymity on internet. If you have ip you have name and address.

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Transactions are just moving numbers from an address to another. No names or addresses disclosed, how does it violate privacy laws?

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Quote from: jjc326 on July 29, 2014, 10:07:24 AM

What privacy laws are you even talking about? That's the first question.

Most "privacy laws" only deal with certain information such as name, address, SS#, etc., stuff like that. The fact that you're engaging in BTC transactions means you probably agree to have your "information" broadcasted on the blockchain.

It is still illegal. It doesnt matter if you agree or disagree.

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Quote from: Malin Keshar on July 28, 2014, 12:55:14 AM

What laws?

Who would be the victmins? The people that use blockchain, or all people because blockchain do no requires or warranty any way of identify the users?

The victims would be the people that send and receive bitcoin.

Most privacy laws would not apply because both the sender and receiver would know in advance that the blockchain is public information.

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What privacy laws are you even talking about? That's the first question.

Most "privacy laws" only deal with certain information such as name, address, SS#, etc., stuff like that. The fact that you're engaging in BTC transactions means you probably agree to have your "information" broadcasted on the blockchain.

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Every transaction recorded on the ledger is the result of somebody's sovereign decision to engage with the btc protocol
They are implicitly waiving any right to privacy (in that narrow sense), in my book anyway

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