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legendary
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May 01, 2016, 10:33:35 PM
#31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2y4nxpng2A

While I don't agree with everything this guys says I do agree with the general premise about global warming efforts acting as a front for socialism.

WTF, climate change and communism??? 

What the lady the video is talking about is a systemic change in the way we protect our environment. 
Nothing to do with your socialism/communism paranoia.

If you think the environment does not need protection, you are a moron.

If you knew anything about communism, you would not be using it in this context.
Communist regimes were (and still are) the worse polluters of all time.

Ideologically, climate change fanatics are somewhere between totalitarian nazis and socialist/communists.

There is a close relationship, but they are not equal.
legendary
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2y4nxpng2A

While I don't agree with everything this guys says I do agree with the general premise about global warming efforts acting as a front for socialism.

WTF, climate change and communism??? 

What the lady the video is talking about is a systemic change in the way we protect our environment. 
Nothing to do with your socialism/communism paranoia.

If you think the environment does not need protection, you are a moron.

If you knew anything about communism, you would not be using it in this context.
Communist regimes were (and still are) the worse polluters of all time.



Where did I say the environment doesn't need protection? I never said that. Leaky and melting down nuclear reactors and other issues that get no attention are just more of a threat to the environment than supposed human caused climate change, which is only not proven, it is not proven to be as disastrous as the alarmists claim. As far as the communism/climate change connection, climate change alarmists are inherently collectivists, making it not only a convenient alliance for them, but making them useful idiots for those pushing communist ideologies such as the removal of private property rights (a core communist principal) to "protect the environment". I know plenty about communism buddy, I am willing to bet far more than you. How many hours have you spent reading about the history of the ideology? I have easily spent hundreds of hours doing so. What about you?
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legendary
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April 28, 2016, 08:45:19 PM
#28

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No, they don't know the exact number of volcanoes on Earth, that is an asinine statement.
Sorry they know the exact number of eruptive volcanoes of the past 70 years, but as an eruptive volcano releases more than 500 times the amount of CO2 the not eruptive one release, unless there is more than 5000 times more unerupting volcanoes than eruptive ones it's enough to make an excellent estimation.
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They also don't even know the exact emissions from the very small handful of volcanoes they actually do test. They take small samples and estimate. When making estimations based on a very small data set within a very small number of actual volcanoes, the estimates will be nowhere near accurate.
Where do you take that from? They simply estimate the amount of CO2 released on average by active volcanoes everyday since 2011! How is that not precise? And I answered you above concerning the number of volcanoes.
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You even said yourself they can't be precise yet you are pretending the estimates are magically accurate some how in the same breath.
Nothing is precise in science. Everything has some kind of innacuracy that's the very point of Quantum Physics.
Difference is you're actually claiming they're not wrong, but wrong by an order of magnitude of more than 10 000. That's how wrong they should be in order to make your claim true (claim that you absolutely didn't prove btw).
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P.S. I was not offering you my friendship, I was just addressing you as the communist you are.
I'm no more communist that you're "educated". It's not because your limited brain can only separate the world into two parts, the red evil communists and the blue good capitalists that the world is actually divided that way Roll Eyes

So you are telling me they track every erupting volcano on earth, even those deep under the ocean? Sure that sounds realistic  Roll Eyes

The amount of greenhouse gasses released from volcanoes varies greatly depending on the surrounding geology, therefore wide scale estimates based on a small number of inaccurate samples is not anything near precise. If you spent more than 5 minutes reading about the subject you would know this. I wouldn't call that anything at all near an "excellent estimation".

estimate = not precise, because it is an ESTIMATE ie a GUESS, a guess that is wide open to manipulation and bias BTW because there is NO PROOF, just a tiny sample. I got that from science. You should try it.

Plenty of things are accurate in science, its called EMPIRICAL DATA, of which the global warming alarmist crowd consistently lacks. You sure do have plenty of theories though wide open to being molded by your biases that you can pretend are scientific.  Speaking of proof, why don't you source your claim that "they know the exact number of eruptive volcanoes of the past 70 years".

I am not sure which document I am supposed to use to source the fact that we DON'T know about and track all erupting volcanoes. Maybe I should look it up in the "Things We Don't Know Encyclopedia". Instead of demanding I prove a negative, why don't you try proving any of your claims about data you claim exists. Any evidence I present to you about the data not existing will simply be ignored because there is no way to prove with 100% certainty to you that it does NOT exist, short of you learning how science and empirical data works in reality. Again if you spent more than 5 minutes reading about the subject you would know that knowing every fucking erupting volcano on earth is impossible with current technology and resources. BTW I call you a communist because you espouse communist values regardless of how conscious you are of it or not. Based on your previous posts I would guess you aren't conscious of much.
bolded above is why I objected.  We are still learning about these, many were discovered since the year 2000.
legendary
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April 28, 2016, 07:01:54 PM
#27

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No, they don't know the exact number of volcanoes on Earth, that is an asinine statement.
Sorry they know the exact number of eruptive volcanoes of the past 70 years, but as an eruptive volcano releases more than 500 times the amount of CO2 the not eruptive one release, unless there is more than 5000 times more unerupting volcanoes than eruptive ones it's enough to make an excellent estimation.
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They also don't even know the exact emissions from the very small handful of volcanoes they actually do test. They take small samples and estimate. When making estimations based on a very small data set within a very small number of actual volcanoes, the estimates will be nowhere near accurate.
Where do you take that from? They simply estimate the amount of CO2 released on average by active volcanoes everyday since 2011! How is that not precise? And I answered you above concerning the number of volcanoes.
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You even said yourself they can't be precise yet you are pretending the estimates are magically accurate some how in the same breath.
Nothing is precise in science. Everything has some kind of innacuracy that's the very point of Quantum Physics.
Difference is you're actually claiming they're not wrong, but wrong by an order of magnitude of more than 10 000. That's how wrong they should be in order to make your claim true (claim that you absolutely didn't prove btw).
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P.S. I was not offering you my friendship, I was just addressing you as the communist you are.
I'm no more communist that you're "educated". It's not because your limited brain can only separate the world into two parts, the red evil communists and the blue good capitalists that the world is actually divided that way Roll Eyes

So you are telling me they track every erupting volcano on earth, even those deep under the ocean? Sure that sounds realistic  Roll Eyes

The amount of greenhouse gasses released from volcanoes varies greatly depending on the surrounding geology, therefore wide scale estimates based on a small number of inaccurate samples is not anything near precise. If you spent more than 5 minutes reading about the subject you would know this. I wouldn't call that anything at all near an "excellent estimation".

estimate = not precise, because it is an ESTIMATE ie a GUESS, a guess that is wide open to manipulation and bias BTW because there is NO PROOF, just a tiny sample. I got that from science. You should try it.

Plenty of things are accurate in science, its called EMPIRICAL DATA, of which the global warming alarmist crowd consistently lacks. You sure do have plenty of theories though wide open to being molded by your biases that you can pretend are scientific.  Speaking of proof, why don't you source your claim that "they know the exact number of eruptive volcanoes of the past 70 years".

I am not sure which document I am supposed to use to source the fact that we DON'T know about and track all erupting volcanoes. Maybe I should look it up in the "Things We Don't Know Encyclopedia". Instead of demanding I prove a negative, why don't you try proving any of your claims about data you claim exists. Any evidence I present to you about the data not existing will simply be ignored because there is no way to prove with 100% certainty to you that it does NOT exist, short of you learning how science and empirical data works in reality. Again if you spent more than 5 minutes reading about the subject you would know that knowing every fucking erupting volcano on earth is impossible with current technology and resources. BTW I call you a communist because you espouse communist values regardless of how conscious you are of it or not. Based on your previous posts I would guess you aren't conscious of much.
sr. member
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April 28, 2016, 06:54:19 PM
#26
While there is a body of scientific literature discussing the probability of a coming mini ice age, this is credited as existing by Armstrong, and is not predicted by him or his computers.

Yep that is my point.

As for the rest of your comments, it's up to him (or you) to back the claims made with proof.  Not my job.

Incorrect. A man without discernment is lost. You'll never have absolute proof for every decision and judgement you need to make in life. The scientific method is not absolute proof.

Your taxonomy is too strict and out of touch with reality.
legendary
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April 28, 2016, 08:33:32 AM
#25

I am not obliged to faithfully believe Armstrong's "Supercomputer."  Just show persuasive arguments backed with facts.

THanks.

No one demanded you to do so. You retain your free will and can lose or gain from your decisions. You are welcome to compile the data yourself and build your own model. In the meantime, I make judgements based on discernment.

I believe if you challenge MA in email, he will provide the raw data to you and some direction on his methodology.

I believe the charts he showed are displaying generally available data.

As for the backtested predictability of the correlation of societal change, I think you need $billion to compile the data Armstrong claims to have compiled and multi-dimensionally cross-correlated.

The cited backtested model for the Maunder Minimum 2030 prediction has 95+% backtested accuracy and is an open sourced scientific discovery. It doesn't come from Armstrong's database and computer.

While there is a body of scientific literature discussing the probability of a coming mini ice age, this is credited as existing by Armstrong, and is not predicted by him or his computers.

As for the rest of your comments, it's up to him (or you) to back the claims made with proof.  Not my job.
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April 28, 2016, 05:15:34 AM
#24

without looking it up (i'm lazy tonight) gonna state you are wrong about the comparison of man's co2 to volcanoes.

Read what Armstrong wrote as quoted in my prior post. It is the ash, not the CO2 that matters.

The ash and particulate from volcanoes creates a 2-3 year cooling effect which can be world wide.  however, this is not a permanant change.

Armstrong's supercomputer and $billion of historical data has correlated that in fact it is a more permanent change or inflection juncture (perhaps not climate but societal). Science (data) trumps guesswork.

It must kick off a cascade of effects.

Follow-up by Armstrong with charts:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/basic-concepts/we-are-headed-into-a-new-ice-age-but-when/


Correlate with the scientists' recent discovery of a backtested predictive computer model for the sun's emission Maunder Minimum which predicts Mini Ice Age starting again 2030ish:

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aarmstrongeconomics.com+maunder+minimum

I am not obliged to faithfully believe Armstrong's "Supercomputer."  Just show persuasive arguments backed with facts.

THanks.

No one demanded you to do so. You retain your free will and can lose or gain from your decisions. You are welcome to compile the data yourself and build your own model. In the meantime, I make judgements based on discernment.

I believe if you challenge MA in email, he will provide the raw data to you and some direction on his methodology.

I believe the charts he showed are displaying generally available data.

As for the backtested predictability of the correlation of societal change, I think you need $billion to compile the data Armstrong claims to have compiled and multi-dimensionally cross-correlated.

The cited backtested model for the Maunder Minimum 2030 prediction has 95+% backtested accuracy and is an open sourced scientific discovery. It doesn't come from Armstrong's database and computer.
legendary
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April 28, 2016, 04:22:42 AM
#23
Seems like you're not. This why you shouldn't talk about things you don't have a clue about.
"Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually. " http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2007/07_02_15.html
the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes

It means it would take 1000 years of eruption to compensate one year of human made CO2.

But please, continue to show us how educated you are.

So you you are telling me that they are accurately gauging every volcano on Earth including on land and under the ocean when they are only actually studying a handful of volcanoes? One of the rules in science is you need to have an appropriate sample size in order to get any kind of reasonable estimate, and they have neither. Try again comrade.

They have the exact number and size of volcanoes on earth. Then they studied a volcano. Then they just made an estimation of the CO2 emited by the whole volcanoes. What's so hard to understand?
Of course they're not precise! They can't be! But you're arguing they're wrong by a 10 000 order? ^^

Oh and btw I'm not your comrade, you surely don't deserve my friendship Wink

No, they don't know the exact number of volcanoes on Earth, that is an asinine statement.
Sorry they know the exact number of eruptive volcanoes of the past 70 years, but as an eruptive volcano releases more than 500 times the amount of CO2 the not eruptive one release, unless there is more than 5000 times more unerupting volcanoes than eruptive ones it's enough to make an excellent estimation.
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They also don't even know the exact emissions from the very small handful of volcanoes they actually do test. They take small samples and estimate. When making estimations based on a very small data set within a very small number of actual volcanoes, the estimates will be nowhere near accurate.
Where do you take that from? They simply estimate the amount of CO2 released on average by active volcanoes everyday since 2011! How is that not precise? And I answered you above concerning the number of volcanoes.
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You even said yourself they can't be precise yet you are pretending the estimates are magically accurate some how in the same breath.
Nothing is precise in science. Everything has some kind of innacuracy that's the very point of Quantum Physics.
Difference is you're actually claiming they're not wrong, but wrong by an order of magnitude of more than 10 000. That's how wrong they should be in order to make your claim true (claim that you absolutely didn't prove btw).
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P.S. I was not offering you my friendship, I was just addressing you as the communist you are.
I'm no more communist that you're "educated". It's not because your limited brain can only separate the world into two parts, the red evil communists and the blue good capitalists that the world is actually divided that way Roll Eyes
legendary
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April 28, 2016, 03:08:48 AM
#22
Seems like you're not. This why you shouldn't talk about things you don't have a clue about.
"Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually. " http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2007/07_02_15.html
the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes

It means it would take 1000 years of eruption to compensate one year of human made CO2.

But please, continue to show us how educated you are.

So you you are telling me that they are accurately gauging every volcano on Earth including on land and under the ocean when they are only actually studying a handful of volcanoes? One of the rules in science is you need to have an appropriate sample size in order to get any kind of reasonable estimate, and they have neither. Try again comrade.

They have the exact number and size of volcanoes on earth. Then they studied a volcano. Then they just made an estimation of the CO2 emited by the whole volcanoes. What's so hard to understand?
Of course they're not precise! They can't be! But you're arguing they're wrong by a 10 000 order? ^^

Oh and btw I'm not your comrade, you surely don't deserve my friendship Wink

No, they don't know the exact number of volcanoes on Earth, that is an asinine statement. They also don't even know the exact emissions from the very small handful of volcanoes they actually do test. They take small samples and estimate. When making estimations based on a very small data set within a very small number of actual volcanoes, the estimates will be nowhere near accurate. You even said yourself they can't be precise yet you are pretending the estimates are magically accurate some how in the same breath. P.S. I was not offering you my friendship, I was just addressing you as the communist you are.
legendary
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April 27, 2016, 08:49:59 PM
#21
without looking it up (i'm lazy tonight) gonna state you are wrong about the comparison of man's co2 to volcanoes.

Read what Armstrong wrote as quoted in my prior post. It is the ash, not the CO2 that matters.

The ash and particulate from volcanoes creates a 2-3 year cooling effect which can be world wide.  however, this is not a permanant change.

Armstrong's supercomputer and $billion of historical data has correlated that in fact it is a more permanent change or inflection juncture (perhaps not climate but societal). Science (data) trumps guesswork.

It must kick off a cascade of effects.

Follow-up by Armstrong with charts:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/basic-concepts/we-are-headed-into-a-new-ice-age-but-when/


Correlate with the scientists' recent discovery of a backtested predictive computer model for the sun's emission Maunder Minimum which predicts Mini Ice Age starting again 2030ish:

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aarmstrongeconomics.com+maunder+minimum

I am not obliged to faithfully believe Armstrong's "Supercomputer."  Just show persuasive arguments backed with facts.

THanks.
sr. member
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April 27, 2016, 08:04:29 PM
#20
without looking it up (i'm lazy tonight) gonna state you are wrong about the comparison of man's co2 to volcanoes.

Read what Armstrong wrote as quoted in my prior post. It is the ash, not the CO2 that matters.

The ash and particulate from volcanoes creates a 2-3 year cooling effect which can be world wide.  however, this is not a permanant change.

Armstrong's supercomputer and $billion of historical data has correlated that in fact it is a more permanent change or inflection juncture (perhaps not climate but societal). Science (data) trumps guesswork.

It must kick off a cascade of effects.

Follow-up by Armstrong with charts:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/basic-concepts/we-are-headed-into-a-new-ice-age-but-when/


Correlate with the scientists' recent discovery of a backtested predictive computer model for the sun's emission Maunder Minimum which predicts Mini Ice Age starting again 2030ish:

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aarmstrongeconomics.com+maunder+minimum
legendary
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April 27, 2016, 06:03:35 PM
#19

They have the exact number and size of volcanoes on earth. ...
No, they don't.
legendary
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April 27, 2016, 12:09:44 PM
#18
And let's all take a moment to appreciate how you avoided answering on the quality of the "study" you showed us and their "arguments" xD
legendary
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April 27, 2016, 12:08:32 PM
#17
Seems like you're not. This why you shouldn't talk about things you don't have a clue about.
"Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually. " http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2007/07_02_15.html
the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes

It means it would take 1000 years of eruption to compensate one year of human made CO2.

But please, continue to show us how educated you are.

So you you are telling me that they are accurately gauging every volcano on Earth including on land and under the ocean when they are only actually studying a handful of volcanoes? One of the rules in science is you need to have an appropriate sample size in order to get any kind of reasonable estimate, and they have neither. Try again comrade.

They have the exact number and size of volcanoes on earth. Then they studied a volcano. Then they just made an estimation of the CO2 emited by the whole volcanoes. What's so hard to understand?
Of course they're not precise! They can't be! But you're arguing they're wrong by a 10 000 order? ^^

Oh and btw I'm not your comrade, you surely don't deserve my friendship Wink
sr. member
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April 27, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
#16
without looking it up (i'm lazy tonight) gonna state you are wrong about the comparison of man's co2 to volcanoes.

Read what Armstrong wrote as quoted in my prior post. It is the ash, not the CO2 that matters.

The ash and particulate from volcanoes creates a 2-3 year cooling effect which can be world wide.  however, this is not a permanant change.

Armstrong's supercomputer and $billion of historical data has correlated that in fact it is a more permanent change or inflection juncture (perhaps not climate but societal). Science (data) trumps guesswork.

It must kick off a cascade of effects.
legendary
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April 27, 2016, 07:34:45 AM
#15
Seems like you're not. This why you shouldn't talk about things you don't have a clue about.
"Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually. " http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2007/07_02_15.html
the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes

It means it would take 1000 years of eruption to compensate one year of human made CO2.

But please, continue to show us how educated you are.

So you you are telling me that they are accurately gauging every volcano on Earth including on land and under the ocean when they are only actually studying a handful of volcanoes? One of the rules in science is you need to have an appropriate sample size in order to get any kind of reasonable estimate, and they have neither. Try again comrade.
legendary
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April 27, 2016, 04:20:37 AM
#14
What I don't understand is how Climate change has become a social and popular question.

We have nothing to do on that question. This is not our business.

Are people arguing in their daily life of the relevance of using ethanol as a solvant in an organic synthesis? No of course not! They don't give a fuck and even if they'd do they know they don't have the skills required to understand fully the process. They let this question for the chimists.

So why don't we just stop discussing climate change and listen to the scientists results?

I don't know about you, but I am educated enough in science to know that man made climate change is complete horse shit. One or two big volcanic eruption puts more CO2 into the atmosphere than all of humanity ever has. I don't have to believe in tinkerbell because I know it is a fairy tale. You keep clapping your hands though if it makes you feel like you are doing something.
without looking it up (i'm lazy tonight) gonna state you are wrong about the comparison of man's co2 to volcanoes.


However, moggie presents a different type of issue.  He argues from ignorance and believes that has moral and ethical standing because of a preconceived "righteousness."  Ignorance is bliss, since the devout can just take the word of the Sciencies about whatever.  Think of how wonderful this is.  There are no difficult issues to understand, you are simply told what to think, and if you are a good person, you obey.

I know that after you think it over, you will repent of your thinkcrimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgl1HOxpj8

I may have overstated it slightly,
Yeah slightly xD
That's the least you could say! Being wrong by a factor of 10 000 is not exactly a "slightly" mistake ^^
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I looked at your sources a bit. And I see nothing like a demonstration.
Here is the extract of your "sources":
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It is ten times as likely that atmospheric CO2 is coming from natural sources, namely the warming ocean surface, as it is likely that it is coming from anthropogenic sources. The changes in CO2 track ocean surface temperature, not global carbon emissions. Burning fossil fuels is not increasing atmospheric CO2. Recovery from the Little Ice Age, driven by the sun, is causing the oceans to release CO2. It is temperature driving CO2 release, not the other way around. Just as it has always been.

It's a complete bold statement! I mean maybe it's right I don't know, there is 0 explanation about that. They don't say why it's "ten times likely" they don't compare the amounts emited or explain how they measured it or anything. They just say it's "ten times more likely".

Am I missing anything? For me it's not exactly what I would call a scientific demonstration.
There "explanation" is simply a comparison of two curves saying that in fact... Well sun activity impacts CO2 realease? Yeah well we already knew it thanks, that's not the point! The point is to know if man made CO2 is negligeable, not to know if rise of sun activity will rise CO2 level!
legendary
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April 27, 2016, 04:13:45 AM
#13
What I don't understand is how Climate change has become a social and popular question.

We have nothing to do on that question. This is not our business.

Are people arguing in their daily life of the relevance of using ethanol as a solvant in an organic synthesis? No of course not! They don't give a fuck and even if they'd do they know they don't have the skills required to understand fully the process. They let this question for the chimists.

So why don't we just stop discussing climate change and listen to the scientists results?

The science behind it may be science, but a lay-person's faith in it would be religious expression. By being sceptical and questioning the self-styled experts in the field, lay people are actually being more scientific than they would otherwise be if they blindly believed the paid scientific professionals.

Besides, from a philosophical point of view, science is a personal endeavour where a person seeks objective knowledge about the world. Even incredulity or emotional reactions could be thought of as a kind of experimentation, where the participants exert pressure on the system, and then they find out what happens in response.

The beginnings of science was not with a rigid caste system in which only some could voice an opinion on a problem.  Quite the contrary.  Look at Copernicus, Newton, Galileo, Kepler. 

The main difference being that those men were educated in the field of science which they were talking about....
Thanks to the internet, every random dumbass can just spray their bullshit at the face of everyone without having to have even studied the subject they're talking about. Which is exactly what's happening with climate change. Millions of people like you suddenly became both climatologist and chimists xD
legendary
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April 27, 2016, 04:10:56 AM
#12
What I don't understand is how Climate change has become a social and popular question.

We have nothing to do on that question. This is not our business.

Are people arguing in their daily life of the relevance of using ethanol as a solvant in an organic synthesis? No of course not! They don't give a fuck and even if they'd do they know they don't have the skills required to understand fully the process. They let this question for the chimists.

So why don't we just stop discussing climate change and listen to the scientists results?

The science behind it may be science, but a lay-person's faith in it would be religious expression. By being sceptical and questioning the self-styled experts in the field, lay people are actually being more scientific than they would otherwise be if they blindly believed the paid scientific professionals.

Besides, from a philosophical point of view, science is a personal endeavour where a person seeks objective knowledge about the world. Even incredulity or emotional reactions could be thought of as a kind of experimentation, where the participants exert pressure on the system, and then they find out what happens in response.

There is a difference between discussing the result and refusing to look at the evidences provided by a worldwide scientific community xD
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