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Topic: The combined sidehack-novak usb stick review thread. AKA GekkoScience BM1384 - page 17. (Read 26372 times)

legendary
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Okay many tries on 2 different windows 7 machines and success!

I loaded zadig  8 or 9 times and it finally works .
  this stick is mining on www.mmpool.org

see screen shot


it is pulling  11gh
legendary
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Sidehack, may I ask which USB hub you're using for your Raspberry Pi ?

thanks

I got one of those $8 11-port junkers from Ebay about two years ago, stripped it down and beefed the power lines with extra wire and capacitors for running overclocked block erupters. There's pictures in the dev thread. We're thinking about building our own hub that'll take in higher than 12V and internally regulate high-current 5V to the ports, which would be good for Compac and Amita stuff but also for anyone working on a solar setup or charging a lot of devices in a car or something. So I'll probably be testing that in a month or so, but for now I have a junker hub that's been rebuilt for higher current.

Allright thanks, I was asking as I had no luck with the few usb hubs i tried. My Pi couldn't see more then 1 CP2102 Sad (I had 8 connected)
sr. member
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Its usually Windows Defender that is the stick in the mud between Win7 and Zadig. You need to check and see which program Defender is blocking or adjust the security level long enough to let Zadig install then place it in the allowed list within Defender. Don't forget, to get Zadig to work, you need to let the siliconlabs driver install first then run Zadig as Administrator.

Zadig has never worked on both Win7 systems I've tried to put it on in the last couple years. I have the silabs driver working fine, used it on an older cgminer for TheRealSteve's block erupter competition. But Zadig installer has never worked, and it's not because of any Windows security garbage.

What is the hashrate per chip supposed to be? I haven't been following this as closely as I have want'ed to do.

Go back up about 8-9 posts, and you'll find a table of frequency/hashrate. That's for one chip, which is what this stick has.
Oh ok i thought that was for the U3 chip and this is using a different chip isn't it?

The U3 uses four BM1382 (same as S3/S4); the miner he's testing has a single BM1384 (same as S5) on it. The table was frequencies cgminer understands for the U3, but the listed hashrates are what the BM1384 will do with those frequencies. It's a 55-core chip, so MHz to GH/s is times 0.055

Also, if you have a Raspberry Pi, I ran five sticks off the stock cgminer in the latest Minera build without any problems. If you don't want to screw with the overly scripted and weighty web UI, just ssh into the pi and do stuff from there.

The bulk of this information is already presented in the GekkoScience BM1384 Dev thread, so don't be too surprised if it gets pared out of this review thread. But for now, there it is.
Thanks for the clarification on the table and the current chip this miner is using, it looks good, I can't wait to see your other work.
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
I've been using the BEUSB creds on that pool as a low-diff test for when I wanted to see what shares were actually coming out (and yes, the one on the hub on the Pi is pointed there now). One annoying thing with the U3 driver is the timeout; it's expecting about four times the hashrate it's actually getting so it resets the device occasionally if it hasn't seen a share for 2-4 seconds (depending on frequency). With a high-diff pool, you don't often see cgminer-reported shares, so sometimes your whole window is just "timeout reset" notices when you know the thing is submitting, typically, a couple shares a second (well below vardiff). The LED flashes with each returned share, so you know it's doing something.
hero member
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I have the silabs driver working fine, used it on an older cgminer for TheRealSteve's block erupter competition.

I've not used suggest-diff but that's probably a good idea. Eligius starts out at 128, which this stick should see about 7 instead.
Speaking of which - I couldn't get Eligius to go below 127 when I tested it, suggest-diff be damned.  Might have been user error, though.  But if not, the pool that was used for that comp goes all the way down to Diff=2, and I'm gonna guess is currently seeing one of these miners hashing away quite nicely.  Philip / other reviewers, if you'd like a user/pass, I'd be happy to set those up.  Or see that thread for some other lower diff pools.
( and yes, feel free to delete this post when the time for clean-up comes Smiley )
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
Sidehack, may I ask which USB hub you're using for your Raspberry Pi ?

thanks

I got one of those $8 11-port junkers from Ebay about two years ago, stripped it down and beefed the power lines with extra wire and capacitors for running overclocked block erupters. There's pictures in the dev thread. We're thinking about building our own hub that'll take in higher than 12V and internally regulate high-current 5V to the ports, which would be good for Compac and Amita stuff but also for anyone working on a solar setup or charging a lot of devices in a car or something. So I'll probably be testing that in a month or so, but for now I have a junker hub that's been rebuilt for higher current.
legendary
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Sidehack, may I ask which USB hub you're using for your Raspberry Pi ?

thanks
sr. member
Activity: 254
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What is the hashrate per chip supposed to be? I haven't been following this as closely as I have want'ed to do.

Go back up about 8-9 posts, and you'll find a table of frequency/hashrate. That's for one chip, which is what this stick has.
Oh ok i thought that was for the U3 chip and this is using a different chip isn't it?
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
Its usually Windows Defender that is the stick in the mud between Win7 and Zadig. You need to check and see which program Defender is blocking or adjust the security level long enough to let Zadig install then place it in the allowed list within Defender. Don't forget, to get Zadig to work, you need to let the siliconlabs driver install first then run Zadig as Administrator.

Zadig has never worked on both Win7 systems I've tried to put it on in the last couple years. I have the silabs driver working fine, used it on an older cgminer for TheRealSteve's block erupter competition. But Zadig installer has never worked, and it's not because of any Windows security garbage.

What is the hashrate per chip supposed to be? I haven't been following this as closely as I have want'ed to do.

Go back up about 8-9 posts, and you'll find a table of frequency/hashrate. That's for one chip, which is what this stick has.
Oh ok i thought that was for the U3 chip and this is using a different chip isn't it?

The U3 uses four BM1382 (same as S3/S4); the miner he's testing has a single BM1384 (same as S5) on it. The table was frequencies cgminer understands for the U3, but the listed hashrates are what the BM1384 will do with those frequencies. It's a 55-core chip, so MHz to GH/s is times 0.055

Also, if you have a Raspberry Pi, I ran five sticks off the stock cgminer in the latest Minera build without any problems. If you don't want to screw with the overly scripted and weighty web UI, just ssh into the pi and do stuff from there.

The bulk of this information is already presented in the GekkoScience BM1384 Dev thread, so don't be too surprised if it gets pared out of this review thread. But for now, there it is.
alh
legendary
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What is the hashrate per chip supposed to be? I haven't been following this as closely as I have want'ed to do.

Go back up about 8-9 posts, and you'll find a table of frequency/hashrate. That's for one chip, which is what this stick has.
Oh ok i thought that was for the U3 chip and this is using a different chip isn't it?

Sidehack or Novak might have to weigh in here, but I think the table was derived by measurements from sidehack. The U3 connection is that it identifies to the driver/miner software as a U3, even though it obviously isn't a U3.

That's how I understand it, but I've been wrong before as my wife likes to say....  Smiley
alh
legendary
Activity: 1846
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What is the hashrate per chip supposed to be? I haven't been following this as closely as I have want'ed to do.

Go back up about 8-9 posts, and you'll find a table of frequency/hashrate. That's for one chip, which is what this stick has.
sr. member
Activity: 254
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What is the hashrate per chip supposed to be? I haven't been following this as closely as I have want'ed to do.
legendary
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Its usually Windows Defender that is the stick in the mud between Win7 and Zadig. You need to check and see which program Defender is blocking or adjust the security level long enough to let Zadig install then place it in the allowed list within Defender. Don't forget, to get Zadig to work, you need to let the siliconlabs driver install first then run Zadig as Administrator.
legendary
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Does anybody know if bfgminer supports the U3? It's been over 9 months since I worried about USB stick mining, and haven't kept up with support in bfgminer. 

The latest version, 5.2.0, has U3 support, although there are mixed results between users.
legendary
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Since this is using the U3 stuff in cgminer, you may want to use cgminer 4.9.0.  4.9.1 does not recognize the U3, it's a known bug, so don't know if that will affect this stick.

You probably also want to add --suggest-diff 1 to your .bat file so that your stick starts at a reasonable pool diff.


If it enumerated as a COM port, you need to install the WinUSB driver for hotplug support and such (Zadig) which will allow cgminer to detect it natively.
Is there a way to do this without using Zadig?  I have a computer that refuses to complete the Zadig installation, so I need to find another way to do what Zadig does.

yeah this win 7 is not liking zadig.  I am going to strip this back.

I had a fear of this issue I have another pc to try on. and I am building a pc next week.

Phil, I run the zadig driver without issue on my Win7. I have 7 S1 blades running with that driver and some CP2102.

I think the CGminer I run was modify to be able to do that. I run CGMiner 4.7.0.

I can send you my executable if you wanna try.

Here's from the thread => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671128.680

Quote

short summary:

we connected the antminer blades to cp2102 usb sticks, and got cgminer to mine at full speed, repo:
https://github.com/FireWalkerX/cgminer-bmsc.git
edit: compile : ./autogen.sh --enable-bmsc;make

windows:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iuj9fz6zt8qm3q9/cgminer-bmsc.zip?dl=0

underclocked the antminers, per instructions from here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-undervolt-antminer-s1-119wgh-at-the-wall-526060

i never recieved the prototype from j4bberwock, so, im guessing we will have to settle for the cp2102 usb sticks,
next, well, since it can still pay to use my s1 boards underclocked ill keep them running for now, and looking for the next project :-p

that about covers it



Hope it helps !


EDIT: Also, make sure within zadig, to install the correct winusb driver for the USB your device is connected (Go in Option => Show all Devices)

EDIT2: I guess the bmsc option won't work with the unit tho ... Sad
alh
legendary
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Does anybody know if bfgminer supports the U3? It's been over 9 months since I worried about USB stick mining, and haven't kept up with support in bfgminer.

I too found the Zadig/Windows interaction to be quite frustrating. I ultimately went to the Raspberry Pi realm, which I found a bit more stable.
legendary
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Since this is using the U3 stuff in cgminer, you may want to use cgminer 4.9.0.  4.9.1 does not recognize the U3, it's a known bug, so don't know if that will affect this stick.

You probably also want to add --suggest-diff 1 to your .bat file so that your stick starts at a reasonable pool diff.


If it enumerated as a COM port, you need to install the WinUSB driver for hotplug support and such (Zadig) which will allow cgminer to detect it natively.
Is there a way to do this without using Zadig?  I have a computer that refuses to complete the Zadig installation, so I need to find another way to do what Zadig does.

yeah this win 7 is not liking zadig.  I am going to strip this back.

I had a fear of this issue I have another pc to try on. and I am building a pc next week.
hero member
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Since this is using the U3 stuff in cgminer, you may want to use cgminer 4.9.0.  4.9.1 does not recognize the U3, it's a known bug, so don't know if that will affect this stick.

You probably also want to add --suggest-diff 1 to your .bat file so that your stick starts at a reasonable pool diff.


If it enumerated as a COM port, you need to install the WinUSB driver for hotplug support and such (Zadig) which will allow cgminer to detect it natively.
Is there a way to do this without using Zadig?  I have a computer that refuses to complete the Zadig installation, so I need to find another way to do what Zadig does.

could do a 'buntu run, need to give permissions to the com port though, 0224 hours here, so not up to pulling info right now, if you need it, pm me, i'll look for it about 0900
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
I've not used suggest-diff but that's probably a good idea. Eligius starts out at 128, which this stick should see about 7 instead.

The 4.9.1 compiled into the latest Minera build works fine, but I've been testing with 4.9.0 on Windows so I can verify it's good.

I think the drivers can be found external to Zadig and possibly installed manually. I've not tried. My Win7 desk machine has never taken kindly to Zadig installer.
legendary
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Since this is using the U3 stuff in cgminer, you may want to use cgminer 4.9.0.  4.9.1 does not recognize the U3, it's a known bug, so don't know if that will affect this stick.

You probably also want to add --suggest-diff 1 to your .bat file so that your stick starts at a reasonable pool diff.


If it enumerated as a COM port, you need to install the WinUSB driver for hotplug support and such (Zadig) which will allow cgminer to detect it natively.
Is there a way to do this without using Zadig?  I have a computer that refuses to complete the Zadig installation, so I need to find another way to do what Zadig does.
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