Topic: The Covid situation in the US perfectly summarized in video form - page 2. (Read 474 times)

There's nothing wrong with the national government paying 20% more if a patient is Covid positive, because of the massive extra c cost the hospital has in dealing with covid-positive patient.

Paid on how many people are being treated for Covid? Thank you. Because the people being treated in hospitals are dying, right? Oh sure, not all of them. But if you can take a car accident vicim in the hospital, and say he is a Covid victim, you get more money. But since he is a car accident victim, and you start treating him for Covid, it's the wrong treatment, and he dies.



There is no proof of this fraud? We get the info from the media and State reports. If you can't trust the media and State reports, why does anybody think that Covid deaths have made the total death count greater than it is? I mean, either you trust the media or you don't. You can't simply say, trust them here, but don't trust them there.

Further, are we trusting Communist China that Covid is really real? They are communists, for Pete's sake. And THAT is where the WHO is headquartered.

I know there's this conspiracy theory regarding listing people as  COVID death, though it's just not true at all. Hospitals aren't going to get any more money for someone who has probably died from COVID, they get paid based on the amount of people that have COVID and are being treated for it.


Probable deaths are included in the death count, as testing is still limited at the moment, though there isn't any more money paid to hospitals just for coding someone as a 'probable death' of COVID.

There's no proof of this fraud. It's not on someone to prove that fraud didn't happen, its on the accuser to prove that fraud did occur.

No one can differentiate humans,
Because the virus don't know who is who.
In respective of the immune system,because I have seen a man of 55 years the immune system is stronger than a boy of 17 years.
The only thing we have to looked at,is how strong is virus?
Because I noticed in hospital that a medical doctor prescribed a drugs for treatment of malaria for a patient and the patient get better.
But the same drug was prescribed to another patient but the sickness persists,while is because of the level of the illness not immune system.

Actually, the real stats show that the total number of dead is the same this year as any year. That they might be attributed to Covid simply takes away from other things... like heart disease and cancer and diabetes.

The medical has done this before in history. Suddenly heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and flu deaths decline almost to zero, but everybody is dying of Covid.

How many deaths have there been since the beginning of time?

But what is a healthy immune system to you? Is that one of someone is the 'low-risk' category, meaning that the person is under 50 and has no underlying health conditions that could increase their chances of death due to Covid?

Or is it just anyone that doesn't have underlying health conditions?

There's like 150,000 people that are dead because of this. Is there a way for this to be explained?

I believe there is a virus, but I don't think it is a match for a healthy immune system.

^^^ Especially since nobody is showing us any legitimate chemistry/medical process where they have proof that Covid actually exists, right?

Does anybody remember the Sean Connery Medicine Man movie? Remember near the end of the movie when Campbell fights the little Indian witch doctor? As the fight is concluding, the witch doctor says, "No Juju in sky flower. Only home for bugs. Campbell is a fool."

Covid and other viruses are like that. Researchers have been looking for all kinds of viruses for ages. And when they can't find them with certainty, they develop all kinds of assumptive stories and suggestions that they might exist, because...

No Juju in viruses. Only home for wild researcher imaginations.

A lot of Americans are free thinking individuals, and you shouldn't condemn them for refusing to accept the diktats of those who are blinkered by the gluteus max of the Pharma executives.

The main reason why some countries have low infection rates, and hence low mortality rates is that citizens of those countries can follow simple instructions, understand the public health emergency AND are willing to change their behaviour.

Americans are ignorant, uneducated, dumb clusterfucks who wave their constitution in your face the moment you ask them to do something they don't like.  I suspect that obesity, rampant diabetes and cancer rates among Americans have contributed to the bottom line.

I expect that majority of Americans would not follow the strict social distancing, lockdown measures even if Trump mandated wearing face masks and face shields right from the start, in March.  His failure to understand the issue exacerbated the problem.  His arsenal of five adjectives accurately reflects the level of intelligence of a typical American.

Some dipshits in the US see mask wearing as 'their personal freedom' issue.    It is very difficult to manage such an ignorant cohort of apes.

That's not how it works at all. If contact tracing was perfect, you could stop the virus before infecting more than a handful of people, and then poof it would disappear.

Just because it can technically spread to everyone doesn't mean it will. It's just one more factor.





Japan's population is not small. It's about half of the population of the US. (About 40% if you're being pedantic, even 38% if you're being anal)
Japan is also spread through islands and has some very dense areas. Contact tracing isn't going to be any harder in the US.

Contact tracing becomes a little harder when you don't handle the crisis in a timely fashion. It'd be even easier in the US as you can just limit travel from the infected states and you have tons of land separation.

Just because New York got hit, it didn't mean that florida had to be hit hard, but it did. Florida is Trumptopia and they listened to big daddy Trump. I'm not saying Trump is bad, nor that Trump people are bad, many of my friends are very pro-Trump.

What I am saying, is that Trump fucked up. Do you disagree?



Also on the China data. Thunderf00t on YouTube (thunderf00t is a PHD chemist, who does mostly nuclear chemistry experiments on nuclear reactors and has had a pretty solid academic career (a lot of impactful papers)) used the data from China.

In fact using the data from China he made a simple but actually very accurate model for other countries, including the US before the whole thing was even a crisis. Since his model was accurate, that leads me to believe the Chinese numbers were accurate.

You'll notice on the chinese data there is suddenly a day with a huge increase, that's when they expanded the definition for what is considered coronavirus related.

Yes the Chinese government is pretty close to dystopian. I would never want to live in country like that. However look at the PPE they are using and the measures they took. It makes pefect sense they could contain the virus quickly.


There is a lot of conspiracy bullshit when it comes to China precisely because the government is so oppressive, however I haven't seen a theory that hasn't been debunked.

I used to watch China uncensored and there are many mistakes made, it's very sensational but also very low on substance. A lot of lies and exaggerations. It's funny to "expose" a ridiculously evil government like the Chinese communist party but you have to remain factual.

Did they unjustly jail people of a minority group and harvest their organs. Checkity check check.
Did they hide coronavirus deaths... No, not really as the data they gave us had predictive capacity.

They did try and cover up the virus initially but they gave up quickly enough not to necessarily fuck everyone over. If China hadn't tried to cover it up, we probably would never be in that situation.

But had it started in the United States, due to the general incompetence, greed, and limited availabilty of medical services present, the global crises would have been WAY worse.

It's funny how history repeats itself. The Spanish flu originated in the United States (Kansas), but Spain was the country that first admitted it had a problem. So everyone else covered it up until then (with good reasons).

China gets a new pandemic and doesn't admit it either until it's too late. 100 years later.

Anyway this thread was suppossed to be about the great work of the juice media.

Greatly summarizes the situation in the US. I haven't seen any valid criticism of the video. In fact, I'll just re-watch.

My only criticism of their videos. Some of the humor is hit or miss, it's not all George carlin level, but honestly for what passes for humor these days, it's top tier. S-Class.

I sincerely hope you are not naive enough to think China has stayed at ~80k coronavirus cases throughout the entirety of this pandemic.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

Look at their curve and compare it to other countries. That sort of clean logarithmic curve isn't even possible in the real world, especially with coronavirus. China is lying and has been lying about their numbers for a long time.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

I'd advise you to click the link above and look at Japan's curve chart. They're curve is indicative of exponential growth and they have a clear defined second wave. I'd also argue Japan, on average, is healthier than the average fat fuck of an American that's riddled with heart disease and drinks 5 budlights a day. Also, Japan is small enough in population on absolute terms to implement adequate contact tracing. This won't work in a country like the U.S. due to population size.


It doesn't matter when the U.S. got the virus. Coronavirus on average has a Ro value >1 meaning that one person will, on average, transmit the disease to more than one person essentially causing everyone in a population to get infected over time. This is why you're seeing large second waves in countries that handled the virus well initially. There is no containing the virus.

Says who? You?

Without a vaccine, the virus was always likely to spread through most of the country, as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention predicted in March.

^^^ All that is going on is that different countries have different standards for measurement, and different standards for displaying lies.

Try nearly every other country, and since the US nearly spans a continent, it arguably should have been limited to only a small part of the United States.

There is a reason why a large country like China has a low mortality rate

And there is also a reason why a dense country with a huge population that is densely concentrated, like Japan has a low mortality rate.

And why the US really can't even get close to them.

USA       Deaths per 1 Million population 473
China    Deaths per 1 Million population     3
Japan    Deaths per 1 million population   8


The US is so spread out that we should have been able to contain the virus. The US is also on a seperate continent, both from Italy and China and we got the virus much later on.


We could easily have had an extremely low mortality rate.

But Trump did fire all of the experts because they were useless apparently. Apparently we only need to pay the experts when there is a crisis and not to look for upcoming problems. The Trump people were dumb enough to go out and protest the pandemic measures. The left weren't much smarter, going out to protest racial injustice during the pandemic, at least it's a real issue and they were wearing masks.


Swap out Trump with a competent president, and we'd have prevented at least 100,000 deaths and also protected our economy.

The assertion that Greece has a low COVID mortality compared to the US, and therefore Trump is responsible tfor those dead, is totally ludicrous. Everything has to be morphed into anti-Trump propaganda, but this is ridiculous.

Here are two of the best videos to see:

https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c

and

https://altcensored.com/watch?v=aX_Q1FaY9pI


These and many more videos have been taken down from Youtube by Youtube moderators. Many videos formerly found on Youtube can be found here https://altcensored.com/.

There are other video sites where people have moved their videos when they were kicked off Youtube. A few are:
- https://www.bitchute.com/
- https://www.brighteon.com/
- https://vimeo.com/

Search on "Youtube alternatives."

U.S is a world leader in medical innovation and we still beat out most countries in 5 year cancer survival rates.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cancer-survival-rates-by-country

Keep in mind, the U.S. are the ones that primarily pay for the R&D costs outright or foot the bill over time. If a company creates a new drug, they'll sell it to the U.S. market for an absurd amount of money to recover their investment then take it to other countries to sell dirt cheap.

Really?

But Trump largely left ALL the handling of COVID to the states. Then you have vastly different policy, and implementations in the various states. With respective responsibilities to the US State Governors. For example, Cuomo in NY literally shoving elderly Covid patients into nursing homes, thence COVID sweeps the nursing homes, often killing 50% of the facility.

You may have mistaken or mis interpreted facts. Has that occurred to you?


this is related to anything, exactly how? Single payer is a straight out political issue, in which a certain segment of liberals (more or less like you, Sanders supporters) have believed in it and other Democrats, and the vast majority of Republicans were against it. If you think single payer is other than a straight partisan issue, rethink it. Is it in any sense related to handling of COVID?

Compare the death caused by the car crashes per year versus the death caused by covid 19 alone.People died due to lot of reasons while pandemic is going but still most of them were reported as covid 19 death.Pandemic is also uncontrollable like a car crashes then why we are discussing politics with the deaths.