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legendary
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December 31, 2021, 06:44:02 PM
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The St. Regis Bahia Beach Resort in Puerto Rico boasts a golf course and oceanfront residences in a 483-acre nature reserve, set along azure waters and lush rainforest. But what’s perhaps most appealing to those who are now rushing to this property is the section on its website explaining tax benefits for island residents.

That was the case for Anthony Emtman, who left Los Angeles behind and bought a condo at the resort in March. The chief executive officer of Ikigai Asset Management is now a part of a burgeoning crypto community along Puerto Rico’s north shore, where the tropical weather is just a bonus.

Emtman and his crypto peers are taking a page out of hedge funds’ books and seeking residence on the island to reap huge tax savings. High-earning investors in the U.S. pay up to 20% in capital gains tax and as much as 37% on short-term gains. In Puerto Rico, they pay nothing. And companies based on the American mainland pay 21% in federal corporate tax plus an individual state tax, compared to just 4% on the island. That makes the move a no-brainer for some investors, especially as the crypto market’s meteoric growth continues and Democrats push for higher taxes on the rich.

The presence of digital currency enthusiasts is already palpable on the small island, where chance encounters and networking opportunities abound: Run-ins at taco stands; spontaneous drinks and dinner at luxury condos; “Crypto Mondays” gatherings at hotels and restaurants across San Juan.

Crypto funds Pantera Capital and Redwood City Ventures are among those that have established offices on the island. Facebook product manager-turned-whistleblower Frances Haugen recently told the New York Times she's living in Puerto Rico in part to be with her “crypto friends.” New York City’s mayor-elect, Eric Adams, even flew there in November with crypto-billionaire Brock Pierce for dinner with Puerto Rico’s Governor Pedro Pierluisi.

Now, “it’s not just, ‘Move to Puerto Rico to save tax,’” said Giovanni Mendez, a corporate and tax attorney advising those who relocate. “It’s, ‘Move to Puerto Rico because everybody is there.’”

The Puerto Rican government created the tax breaks in 2012 with the hopes of infusing the island’s struggling economy with cash and diversifying its job pool. Hedge funds gradually began seeking a toehold on the island, but what’s really supercharged the flurry of arrivals is the pandemic — which drove a shift away from big cities and popularized remote work — and the recent explosion in crypto markets.

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It's an interesting read but from what I understand any US citizen will be paying taxes on their global income regardless of where they are based? I guess this just means what people are prepared to pay on top of their US tax obligations to  live in another country? Once you get to that level of rich where you're managing your multiple millions, then your country of residence becomes rather flexible. They might have an official home residence in this country, but spend much of the year travelling around whatever destinations they choose - a flag of convenience in nautical terms. No matter how many acres this millionaires playground is, the rest of the country cannot serve their luxurious needs indefinitely.
legendary
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December 31, 2021, 04:53:51 PM
#24
Not sure how sustainable this is.
The U.S. government is probably going to impose sanctions on it sooner or later in order to stop this from happening.
Personally at least, this is just not a worthwhile trade off. I'd rather be able to see friends and family than to save a couple hundred thousand bucks.

Sanctions? The tax advantages for Puerto Rico are purposefully and explicitly given by U.S. law.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
December 31, 2021, 09:42:47 AM
#23
The U.S. government is probably going to impose sanctions on it sooner or later in order to stop this from happening.

Definitely, the US will never tolerate this, pretty sure they are going to put sanctions and invade....their own territory.  Grin Act 22 was created a decade ago, it's nothing new and cryptocurrencies won't be the things that would put any pressure on it to be amended.

I wonder if this tax-free policy for newcomers actually helps Puerto Rico. It's quite a desperate move, and it seems that their economy keeps declining overall anyway.

Puerto Rico lost 12% of its population in the last 10 years, that's why there is such a decline in the GDP, but if you look at GDP per capita it has grown 22% in the last decade.There is literally no comparison between them and any other country around:




hero member
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December 31, 2021, 08:30:52 AM
#22
Not sure how sustainable this is.

The U.S. government is probably going to impose sanctions on it sooner or later in order to stop this from happening.

Personally at least, this is just not a worthwhile trade off. I'd rather be able to see friends and family than to save a couple hundred thousand bucks.
hero member
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December 30, 2021, 05:10:43 PM
#21
Tax free, crypto friendly who wouldn't want that, seem like the perfect place for crypto lovers to reside on, more people will take advantage of this but I hope this is not just a bait offered to lure people in before they will have a reason to change this policy, I hope the government has a strong source of generating revenue because tax plays a vital role in that aspect.
You bring an important angle to the discussion, there are people that are rich enough that they can decide where to live in order to save on taxes, however one of the most important aspects is the stability of the jurisdiction where they want to live.

After all even if things are attractive when it comes to the taxes other aspects need to be taken into account, like the weather, the standard of living you can expect on the country and the political stability of the country, the last aspect is key, after all, you do not want to go through the trouble of moving to another country only for the laws to be changed while you are there and then you will have to pay huge taxes because of it.
legendary
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December 30, 2021, 04:29:54 PM
#20
Tax free, crypto friendly who wouldn't want that, seem like the perfect place for crypto lovers to reside on, more people will take advantage of this but I hope this is not just a bait offered to lure people in before they will have a reason to change this policy, I hope the government has a strong source of generating revenue because tax plays a vital role in that aspect.

Its a 'bait' in some sense. Why would a country provide this if there isnt anything in for them? The fact that people moves in shows that their 'bait' is working out. At the very least, people will obviously spend alot in the country thus helping the economy abit because these 'crypto rich' guy could literally purchase most of the stuff they want and live a luxurious life in there
legendary
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December 30, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
#19
Your topic got me wondering how you got to know that the big cryptocurrency investors are all flocking to Puerto Rico. I was going to ask you that until I saw that you are just asking it as a question.

Well, just because a country has a low income tax doesn’t mean that everybody in the world will start running to that country and denouncing their own citizenship from their country. No, I don’t even think that is going to happen. Low income tax is not enough reason for anyone to do such a thing. And in case you don’t know yet, there are even countries that you would go to and you wouldn’t have to pay a single tax, but has that made people to run to those countries? The answer is a NO.
hero member
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December 30, 2021, 01:22:14 PM
#18
Tax free, crypto friendly who wouldn't want that, seem like the perfect place for crypto lovers to reside on, more people will take advantage of this but I hope this is not just a bait offered to lure people in before they will have a reason to change this policy, I hope the government has a strong source of generating revenue because tax plays a vital role in that aspect.
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December 30, 2021, 12:56:49 PM
#17
I wonder if this tax-free policy for newcomers actually helps Puerto Rico. It's quite a desperate move, and it seems that their economy keeps declining overall anyway. I didn't see data that sums up 2021, but based on projections, it will be better than last year, but not a game-changer. Also, the article mentions how crypto businesses were into registering in Puerto Rico in 2017, and then the market crashed. It's risky for a country to count on such a scheme if people move out or stop their activities during the bear market. But, of course, it's great that there's a place where crypto businesses can flourish.
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December 30, 2021, 11:17:34 AM
#16
I have been to Puerto Rico and it’s an absolutely beautiful place so the fact that they’ve made it as attractive as they have to outsiders who might be looking for a new home is pretty impressive. If Donald Trump ends up winning the next presidency I may just move there lol

I never get to visit the country but I like to one day. This taxation is amazing and I think they would be growing more when people around the world what their country offers. If only this pandemic is gone, I would love to visit the place and I know few Spanish words. How about the taxes for tourist out there? is it friendly? are the people friendly? Safeness comes first when travelling of course.
legendary
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December 30, 2021, 10:11:42 AM
#15
I have been to Puerto Rico and it’s an absolutely beautiful place so the fact that they’ve made it as attractive as they have to outsiders who might be looking for a new home is pretty impressive. If Donald Trump ends up winning the next presidency I may just move there lol
hero member
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December 29, 2021, 01:07:36 PM
#14
Small countries with vast nature and a slightly lagged economic growth might be playing with the big dice now with the advent of cryptocurrencies and the introduction of low taxation. If the rich people decide to move there they would not only be attracting people for the healthy economy but at the same time they would be working forth for their future, since they can increase the taxes slowly and at the same time this would help strengthen their economic development, I do think it is a wise move. People would come and invest there which would definately bring more job opportunities for the native people and it would also engage some overseas businesses strengthening their ties as well, I think they all have a bright future and the developing countries should take steps like this as well.
legendary
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December 29, 2021, 03:08:40 AM
#13
I am subscribed to this guy's channel: Mark Moss.

It has been a while since he said he moved to Puerto Rico because of the taxes. I guess that US citizens who go there, still have to pay income tax in the US but if they create the company in Puerto Rico, the company pays the (low) taxes of Puerto Rico, so there is a saving (correct me if I am wrong).

On this issue, there are always those who protest, especially from left-wing positions, and here we have Biden wanting to put a global minimum tax rate. It is logical that companies and individuals move from places with high taxes to places with low taxes, but what is forgotten is that high taxes, together with increased regulations, discourage economic activity, so that if it were possible to impose equal (high) taxes all over the world, the production of goods and services would be inexorably affected.

hero member
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December 29, 2021, 03:02:16 AM
#12
Millions of peeps around the globe and tiny landscape, I think this gonna be very tight spot to fill in.
I mean I’m saying that millions of peeps would be interested in this Puerto Rico island but it’s just set up with 483 acres of border. The time won’t be much when all of the space will be taken up and land would become lethargic from cozy and comfortable shiny island.

Obviously they are announcing the tax free benefits for the purpose of marketing itself so that more peeps can come and join the venture of free taxation. Everyone would be more than happy to take the nationality but imagine the mess when it gets flooded with so many peeps on small island.
legendary
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December 29, 2021, 01:16:10 AM
#11
...Being a citizen of Puerto Rico means he/she is a citizen of the US. So one is still subject to federal taxes, right?...

Federal tax laws give Puerto Rico residents and corporations a special tax status:

https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-26-internal-revenue-code/26-usc-sect-933.html
https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-26-internal-revenue-code/26-usc-sect-936.html
hero member
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December 28, 2021, 09:04:18 PM
#10
There are pros and cons associated with moving to Puerto Rico just like with everything else. Biggest pro here is saving money by not paying taxes and the biggest con is their extreme weather conditions.

People usually make money to travel to popular places instead of settling for a place like PR which is why I was surprised to see so many crypto rich investors interested in traveling there.

I wouldn't move there just to save money if I were a crypto millionaire since I like living in cities despite all the cons associated with them.
legendary
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December 28, 2021, 09:02:55 PM
#9
Lest we forget, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is still in the United States. So if one is trying to shirk tax responsibilities of his/her crypto holdings from the US mainland, he/she better be moving to a different country. Being a citizen of Puerto Rico means he/she is a citizen of the US. So one is still subject to federal taxes, right?

Anyway, a low income tax country is always attractive. But to those who are interested, are they really willing to give up their citizenship and all the benefits that it entails? To somebody who comes from a weak and impoverished country, the answer is easy. But to somebody who comes from a powerful and influential country, it must be very hard to give up citizenship.
legendary
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December 28, 2021, 08:53:18 PM
#8
I would move to Puerto Rico to save on taxes if it weren't for those damn hurricanes that come through every year.
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December 28, 2021, 07:35:22 PM
#7
Seems interesting this Puerto Rico situation. There are a few caveats on regards to moving there for the wealthy. It has strong relationships with the United States which is well known to keep an eye on assets and any day may decide to impose sanctions or freeze accounts on citizens of country XYZ because of political issues and I do not imagine Puerto Rico opposing such decisions.

Also, all American countries have a marked economic class difference, some people feel comfortable with it, some others don't.
sr. member
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December 28, 2021, 01:06:24 PM
#6
Wow....creating those tax breaks was a damn good move on PR's part if it brought a bunch of hedgies over.  Whether they're into crypto or not, they're most definitely going to be stimulating the local economy--and by extension Puerto Rico's as a whole--with all the money they bring with them.  This is a pretty cool story, and thanks once again for posting something like this, Hydrogen.
The only problem with those tax breaks is that Puerto Rico will have a hard time with World Bank and other International institutions related to finance because those institutions are actively suppressing if not obliterating tax havens, that's the worst thing that I can think of in regards to this tax breaks in Puerto Rico.
Now, it's been a very long time since I took basic history and geography so someone remind me what the exact relationship is between the US and PR.  I was always under the impression that if a mainland US citizen were to fly there or even move there, they wouldn't need a passport or a green card or what have you.  Is that the case or not?  I know they're not a US state (duh), but I thought they were one of the US's territories--and I'm not even sure what that means.  Lol.
I think Puerto Rico is part of US too, I think that they're in the same situation as Hawaii.
I swear, I wish I spoke Spanish.  I've thought about moving to another country before, and considered it seriously, and a couple of my top choices' native tongue is Spanish.  It'd be a no-brainer to just fly on out to PR and just forget to come back to the states.
Never too late to learn a language, it's probably much easier for you to learn Spanish as there are words in the English language that might be related to Spanish, compare that with Mandarin with no relation at all. Plus, they could probably understand your English there.
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