The Decentralized Union - New Bitcoin/Crypto Foundation - page 2.

christopherdebeer

newbie

Activity: 14

Merit: 0

Quote from: counter on May 13, 2014, 10:05:18 AM

Quote from: Lethn on May 13, 2014, 03:22:51 AM

There's a UK Bitcoin organisation? Do you guys have a website? I seem to recall a thread being made awhile back about doing this.

I love the idea of this group being goal oriented when it comes to the image of Bitcoin. I like the idea of rewarding those who have significantly to the community and I'd like to see other way to join the group other then having to pay to be a part of it.

Agreed on all counts. Paying/contribution is obviously a good (read: easy) way to fund an organisation, but I believe that funds should be distributed as deemed fit by the members (who needn't be paying members).

As a counter point I can see how payment (of some sort) helps to indicate a members willingness/commitment to said organisation. but I'm sure there are better ways to achieve this.

counter

hero member

Activity: 798

Merit: 500

Time is on our side, yes it is!

Quote from: Lethn on May 13, 2014, 03:22:51 AM

There's a UK Bitcoin organisation? Do you guys have a website? I seem to recall a thread being made awhile back about doing this.

I love the idea of this group being goal oriented when it comes to the image of Bitcoin. I like the idea of rewarding those who have significantly to the community and I'd like to see other way to join the group other then having to pay to be a part of it.

christopherdebeer

newbie

Activity: 14

Merit: 0

@Lethn your (kind of) response is exactly why we're trying to get it sorted, we've not gone Public with a capital P yet because we're still trying to sort out the agenda and structure, but if you're interested and/or know others who are please send them our way or get in touch!!

placeholder site: http://bitcoinalliance.co.uk as yet unpublisized/used forum: forum.bitcoinalliance.co.uk
email contact: [email protected]

So far its a collaboration between a few UK meetups etc (not all... yet) but we are by no means trying to be the ones 'in-charge' so much as be a banner for those that are interested to flock to, and welcome/invite any and all competing/existing organisations to work with us to come to a consensus as to what we All want from it.

Lethn

legendary

Activity: 1540

Merit: 1000

There's a UK Bitcoin organisation? Do you guys have a website? I seem to recall a thread being made awhile back about doing this.

christopherdebeer

newbie

Activity: 14

Merit: 0

First off: I quite like that name it has a nice ring to it.

I've been thinking about this for a while, ( since before the Foundation, started crumbling ) just because I feel that while its good to have a single banner for core devs we also need local (ie country specific) Bitcoin/blockchain advocacy groups.

So I started working on: https://github.com/christopherdebeer/btca-template

It started as a fork/clone of the foundation's manifesto and is slowly evolving with the input of a few bitcoiners in the UK specifically for https://github.com/bitcoinallianceuk/btca-template the Bitcoin Alliance UK which we're trying to organise and get mindshare for. The problem is that everyone has their own ideas about what such a group should do if any UK based bitcointalk members read this I'd very much appreciate you getting in touch [email protected] , even if it is to say that we're doing it all wrong (seriously!)

I know i've kind of gone on a tangent about a UK group, but if you checkout the repo I think the model of operation could still stand, which is why I feel its a template that can be contributed to and used by groups all over the world int he same way.

Also its so crap trying to organise such a group when name are flying around, All we want to do if bring the blockchain the the rest of the word, but whatever name one is trying to rally under can become faddish or frowned apon within a matter of days. Sad

We have gone with alliance as we plan to be a losely coupled group of other more local groups in the UK.

cryptopaths

hero member

Activity: 616

Merit: 500

Crypto Knight

Yes I was thinking of an organization of something on those terms. Any "head members" would be less in a position of decision and more coordination. Literally anyone can propose a project and the projects that are pursued will be decided by what the community deems best.

franky1

legendary

Activity: 4424

Merit: 4794

Quote from: cryptopaths on May 12, 2014, 03:42:53 PM

I understand your quoting yourself from another thread but if you read the original post you can see your 3 concerns were addressed in favor of what you were thinking.

i did understand. i was just showing a good example of HOW to organise the 'union' without middlemen and lackies sitting on their arses getting a guaranteed income.

also foundations and unions are names of groups that need 'official' organisation and registrations with alot of government red tape.

by calling it a foundation legally requires board members
by calling it a union. well that a whole different kettle of fish.

how about try the words
co-op
consortium

which dont require government red tape and lots of paid lackies that just simply sit on their hands as board members for legal purposes. all thats needed is a transparent and open system that cannot be corrupted and rub by a skeleton crew(preferably everyone: imagining wikipedia's self moderating for instance)

cryptopaths

hero member

Activity: 616

Merit: 500

Crypto Knight

Quote from: franky1 on May 12, 2014, 03:20:31 PM

quoting myself to save writing twice

Quote from: franky1 on May 11, 2014, 06:30:55 AM

forgive me but i like to be constructively critical for two reasons.
1. to see if a project holds any weight in actually working
2. if they do have weight, to tweak and correct things to become better

so heres some points.
1 there does not need to be decisions made by a board
2 there does not need to be a board at all
3 there does not need to be membership fee's

so imagine this
a 'jobs website
where people/businesses can list their goals/tasks they want to achieve. and have a bounty (their costs). then anyone and everyone can put money into that listing, and when filled that person/business carries out their task

imagine this
"bitpay: hold an actual meeting with amazon and show them how to integrate bitcoin: costs=plane ticket+hotel(1BTC)"
"Userxy: get 3 merchants in my town to accept bitcoin: costs=3hours labour(0.1btc)"
"AndreasA: to speak at a government hearing about bitcoin: cost=plane ticket+hotel(1BTC)"

this way people are not paid wages for sitting on their asses, and each task can be individually funded, instead of there being losers or winners.
also it stops vote rigging as the only time these people get paid is by pople that want them to do something. thus if they put their own money in they are simply paying themselves. which is not going to work well compared to 'buying votes'

so instead of putting in large fee's to be a member, people save this money and use it to pay for actual tasks and goals to be filled. this stops the corruption of board members getting paid simply for owning a website and appearing to be an authority

I understand your quoting yourself from another thread but if you read the original post you can see your 3 concerns were addressed in favor of what you were thinking.

franky1

legendary

Activity: 4424

Merit: 4794

quoting myself to save writing twice

Quote from: franky1 on May 11, 2014, 06:30:55 AM

forgive me but i like to be constructively critical for two reasons.
1. to see if a project holds any weight in actually working
2. if they do have weight, to tweak and correct things to become better

so heres some points.
1 there does not need to be decisions made by a board
2 there does not need to be a board at all
3 there does not need to be membership fee's

so imagine this
a 'jobs website
where people/businesses can list their goals/tasks they want to achieve. and have a bounty (their costs). then anyone and everyone can put money into that listing, and when filled that person/business carries out their task

imagine this
"bitpay: hold an actual meeting with amazon and show them how to integrate bitcoin: costs=plane ticket+hotel(1BTC)"
"Userxy: get 3 merchants in my town to accept bitcoin: costs=3hours labour(0.1btc)"
"AndreasA: to speak at a government hearing about bitcoin: cost=plane ticket+hotel(1BTC)"

this way people are not paid wages for sitting on their asses, and each task can be individually funded, instead of there being losers or winners.
also it stops vote rigging as the only time these people get paid is by pople that want them to do something. thus if they put their own money in they are simply paying themselves. which is not going to work well compared to 'buying votes'

so instead of putting in large fee's to be a member, people save this money and use it to pay for actual tasks and goals to be filled. this stops the corruption of board members getting paid simply for owning a website and appearing to be an authority

DooMAD

legendary

Activity: 3948

Merit: 3191

Leave no FUD unchallenged

Isn't this proposal essentially the same thing as this thread? Probably best to keep all the ideas together for the sake of staying organised. Although this thread seems to have a more catchy name, heh. I'll "+1" that part at least.

Carlton Banks

legendary

Activity: 3430

Merit: 3080

Give the developers sole control of donation funds. Multi-sig address. Maybe there could be multiple addresses, with different development goals attributed to each address. There's a danger that people could effectively buy their own course of development (a similar argument could be made about the Bitcoin Foundation; a successful candidate can buy votes for the price of a one year membership, industry membership just gets bonus votes, and seemingly only the ability to pay counts)

cryptopaths

hero member

Activity: 616

Merit: 500

Crypto Knight

Of course one main goal of the Decentralized union will be to further Crypto.

Unlike the Bitcoin Foundation I strongly believe The Decentralized Union should focus on staying decentralized and giving no one person great/complete control over operations including myself.

Also the "donations" required to be in the Bitcoin foundation trouble me greatly. This is an obvious attempt to profit off of an organization that should be furthering crypto.

Donating shouldn't be the main/only way to get in a foundation.

The Decentralized Union will put a higher priority on those that have actually contributed something innovative to the crypto community such as new protocols, services, features etc.

So I'm asking you the Crypto community what you would like to see the Decentralized Union accomplish what should be some goals?

Topic: The Decentralized Union - New Bitcoin/Crypto Foundation - page 2. (Read 1540 times)