Topic: The effect of increases in the loses of Bitcoin (Read 490 times)

I agree, even though I'm not the most relevant person to make this claim, as I haven't conducted a single Bitcoin transaction for years. The fees are still generally high compared to other altcoins, such as Stellar, Monero, or even stablecoins like FDUSD or USDT. 

Lost Bitcoins isn't an obstacle; I'm expecting to have lost anywhere between 0.05 and 0.10 BTC myself—not a noteworthy amount in 2014–2015, but it's still a reasonable amount of money nowadays. Lost Bitcoins limit the available ones, leading to increased rarity and, thus, higher prices since the available supply is lower than the 21 million.

Having a finite supply doesn't mean that it can't be manipulated or are prone to it and the more it can happen to BTC because it is highly decentralized. Even if there is no inflation, the effects of inflation like a decline in the value of a currency can still be experienced by Bitcoin. The thing is, it can still recover faster than any other currencies or assets out there, no wonder why it is still considered as a hedge against inflation (as you also said). Blockchain is only a technology that BTC and other crypto uses.

We don't send coins there but we send our coins to another wallet and the transactions are only going through the Blockchain for public viewing. Obviously, that once you lose your BTC forever there is no way to recover it and send it to another wallet.

We must only confirm it though because there are lots of Bitcoin recovery stories I have heard in the past and maybe one of it is now us. Lost BTC's can lead to deflation but it can also be a good thing because this makes Bitcoin more scarcer or more valuable. BTC is not a secret anymore. With its huge value and lots of information being scattered everywhere about it, I don't think there will still be lots of people who are going to care less about their BTC's and lose it, so don't worry now.

Those lost Bitcoin are still Bitcoin but of course there's no market action happens if it's just loss and also if the amount is just not too much large the same with the wallets that compromised still it's up to them if they want to sell but we know does the trader active with the market they will grab every opportunity they have just to accumulate coin as possible.
Also we have a large supply of the Bitcoin yet and not all institutions will hold this kind of coin just to monopolize they will make a quick slip right here.

Those that lost their bitcoin for any reason is not going to have a negative effect on the supply size because the entire supply is fixed and this will all have to do about the circulation pattern, in the sense that the lost ones were believed to be as part of the released coins to the network, moreover, the rate of losses is very small compare to the entire supply we have, i dot think this is what we should take as a problem to consider in any way.

The fact that you consider deflation as abnormal means that you're taught modern fiat economics where debt is good, spending more than you have is good, fractional reserve banking is good, and all that other bullshit.

First of all bitcoin is not deflationary in its core because you have coins being mined and 10 years from now they will still be mined. As for deflation, you could argue that it's happening anyway, regardless of how many coins are being lost.
Why? Deflation means the amount of goods and services you can purchase with the same amount of money grows over time, making it profitable for you not to spend it. Isn't that bitcoin? If you bought it in 2010, in 2012 you could buy x times more stuff with it. In 2013 even more than that, and so on. You don't have to wait for people to lose their coins to experience this. Just hold bitcoin for more than 4 years

Like I said before, I believe that Bitcoiners are majorly losing their coins to the hands of scammers and hackers who will still sell the coins on CEX. I am not saying that there are not people who have lost access to their Bitcoin wallet recently, but it rarely happens these days, unlike how it happened to most early investors who lost their coins because they lost access to their private key, and they were careless about it because they never knew that Bitcoin would experience the huge success it had today.

This is pretty accurate and it's what I believe. People today don't get careless with their private keys. Bitcoin is too valuable an asset for anybody to just have it and forget about their private keys in a way they won't be access their wallets anymore. Gone are the days when Bitcoin was a joke, today, bitcoin is a pretty big deal and anybody who has will not want to lose it so carelessly.



True, and with this, the coins are still in circulation because the hackers and scammers will sell the coins, hold them or swap them for altcoins.
We are a long way from  there, but I believe that with time, more people will take their privacy and security more seriously and that will mean fewer people will lose their bitcoin to scammers and hackers. It's already better than it was six years ago.

Let me tell you one true story of my country.
The dictator government ended last week here, and now we are getting the real news. The government approved a couple of banks without any collateral because of their owners' political backgrounds. Those bank owners took billion-dollar loans from their own banks, which is not their money. The central bank just printed as much money as it needed to save those banks from going bankrupt.

Bangladesh's currency had some good value just four years ago. Its ratio against the dollar was 1/78 (1 USD = 78 BDT).
But now, 1 dollar is equivalent to 119 BDT. This means whoever has $1000 worth of BDT in their bank account is not worth $644. Can you imagine? This happened because the central bank printed unlimited money. I am glad that I have saved Bitcoin for the last two years instead of keeping fiat in banks.

Yeah, i think your opinion on this is quite relatable because I believe the level of exposure now wasn't actually the same compared to when Bitcoin actually started so I feel every practically Bitcoin investor now fully understand the context behind them actually doing something that can lead to the loss of their coin and like you said the possible most frequent results to people not having assess to their assets is majorly because of the scammers and hackers threat in the society.

I quite agree with you, with Bitcoin's ever-increasing value and fame, more and more care will be exercised in protecting one's private keys by individuals and organizations. While the accidental loss of a private key can and will occur, awareness and measures for bitcoin asset protection are likely to improve over time. If i remember it right a friend told me when I was first introduce in crypto, that the high price of Bitcoin enhances user incentive to take wider ranges of precautions, like the hardware wallet usage, multiple signed systems, and secure backup for practices, with the understanding that some bitcoin disappear by accident he added. This can be viewed as a net positive for the market because it reinforces the scarcity of the asset and potentially increases the price. In general, the resilience of the bitcoin ecosystem could be higher because security practices unfold to ensure most owners properly protect their assets.

I don't think people will make the mistake of losing their wallet key in the future. Maybe it happens by accident. Bitcoin is one of the most valuable assets today. No one wants to lose this wealth and various steps are taken to protect this wealth. Even if some bitcoins are accidentally lost, I think this is positive for the bitcoin market.

The originally foreseen supply should neither increase nor decrease. Instead, it should remain as it is. There is no reason to abandon the number 21 million. Instead, the developers should think about L1 scaling, so we don't end up in situations with fees going up to several hundreds of sat/vByte as was the case with Runes and Ordinals. A lot has happened since 2009. Computer technology has developed and become more accessible and cheaper, and Bitcoin should move with the times if it is to ever become a serious competitor on the big stage.   

I wouldn't advocate for a change of Bitcoin 21 million cap, that will destebelize everything that Bitcoin stands for, it will mean that it's original finite supply that has made it to stand out will become altered. I will rather have the amount of Bitcoin that will be in circulation in the future to be lower than 21 million, owing to the "donations" that will remain dormant in the blochchain, instead of exceeding it, it will cause it to have inflation which will reduce the value in the long term. And when that happens we will likely not see ATH price again and it can be reduced to the level of a stablecoins. Scarcity remains the main ingredient that propelles price increase and the lesser Bitcoin that is in circulation the higher chances that it's price will continue to increase.

The possibility of people losing access to their wallets and assets will keep decreasing as the price of Bitcoin keeps increasing. The reason why so many people lost their wallets and their bitcoins in the past was because it wasn't valuable at that time, and people used to buy or mine it but never cared much about it. It's just like you have a bunch of coins and tokens that are worthless in a wallet, you wouldn't care much about the wallet because you don't expect those tokens to make you rich one day.

Now that the price of Bitcoin is so high, and people know its worth, they are not going to lose their wallets or access to it because they will take good care of their private keys and seed phrases. They can't afford to lose their bitcoins because they are worth a lot of money.

So even though the effects of more bitcoins being lost can be positive in terms of their price, the possibility of that happening is very low now.

I think it is ignorance that makes people lose interest in keeping their access to their Bitcoin safe. Such persons won't say that they do not know about the importance of keeping their keys safe and how to do that, yet they still make mistakes, and the worst part is in this present generation where knowledge and resources are available in the interest. It's not like they need any personal guidance or tutor to guide them through the part.

Anyone going into Bitcoin is a personal choice no one is willing to take responsibility for anyone just because they introduced them to Bitcoin. Keeping our assets safe is personal so getting the knowledge first of how to store our coin is good.

Bitcoin's scarcity is one of the mechanisms that gives it its value. But the 21 million cap can be changed if there is consensus for such a change and a hard fork. But this would be close to impossible to obtain, and I don't see why anyone serious would propose such a move let alone support a devaluation of bitcoin. In fact, any number of bitcoin is enough (even less than 21 million) because it is divisible to far below a 1 cent value. 

The Bitcoin price can be manipulated by buying and selling large amounts of BTC, but I agree that the BTC price cannot be overvalued by a centralized entity, that is creating BTC out of thin air and increasing the BTC supply.



What do you mean by "overpriced"? A price is determined by the current balance between supply and demand on the markets(and production costs). If the supply and demand are balanced at 150K USD per BTC, then this is the real market price of BTC. However, this market price can be temporary and the changes of demand could lead to a new market balance, at a lower or a higher price.
BTC will always remain volatile, which means that it will get adopted by a lot of risk seeking investors and speculative traders.
The "average Joe" would never adopt and use BTC to buy groceries at the grocery shop.

It will increase. I think if we're going to have that stats for which I've read before that there's only around 1 digit of percentage for its adoption globally. And that means that we're not yet on the peak of its adoption and usage of it. As per usage, I am not expecting anymore that many are still going to use it as a payment because what people will do is going to hold it as a store of value.

That's most likely the usage of everyone as an asset compared to what it has been used and endorsed before by satoshi. Gone are the days that everyone likes to have it and use it as a payment because it's quick and cheap. But today, there are moments that we can't use it as payment whenever the network is being attacked and spammed for which causes it to be quite expensive.

So far, the fees aren't that much and it's fine because it's not a lot at all. We might even see that it goes down from 4 sats/vB to 2 sats/vB and eventually, 1 sat/vb.

Every sell-off, we can expect that there is temporary decline of the market price. However, as we have seen, it will go back again to where it was and will try to recover from the plunge. It means, there are still people believing on this market and will continue to hold this currency. Also, no country can totally influence the termination of this market as we have witnessed with China. They banned the usage of crypto and yet, we have seen that this market continue to proliferate. It goes to show that no country or no single entity can make this market collapse.

There isn't a mass adoption until we figure out a way to make transactions very cheap, like nearly free, very cheap, and also very fast, like 30 seconds max. Which means that we have a lot to figure out until then because we will not be having that type of transactions anytime soon, it will not happen all that easily and unfortunately it will take time for us to fix many issues here as well, including regulations as well.

But at the end of the day, if we are growing that's all that matters, because it means there are more people today than yesterday so that is the only thing that we should be caring about. I get that it is not going to be all that crazy or be any great, but we could make that work one way or another.

Imagine a situation where the whole world is using it right now, for everything, there are no more fiat currencies and we all use bitcoin, the transaction times would ruin the whole world, and the costs would be insane. Hence, we need to fix some stuff before we start to think about this. Lost coins do not mean anything at that point, because we have other stuff to think about, lost coins just makes the price go higher, that's all there is to it, nothing added on that, it is what it is.