Topic: The elephant in the room. (Read 2905 times)

Its not really the elephant in the room.  We all know a crash is coming, we all know we need to correct, we all know that we will rebound.

thanks for the reply anonymint, I will check it out when I return (approx. three days). I'm a few minutes from leaving, and I'm glad I gave no offense.

Biomech, I really wasn't ever offended by your first post, I valued it for being honest and balanced.

I was born in New Orleans so English is my birth language. And I was having conversations with random adults in the park at age 2. I was never brilliant in english, although I did get an A in English 101. On the standardized tests, I scored 85 - 90% percentile on all verbal tasks except for comprehension at which I scored 98%. In the visual mathematics and algorithms (i.e. programming the computer and logic), my IQ is very high. It is difficult to measure it. I estimate somewhere between 140 - 150, e.g. such as this example. That is my blog http://unheresy.com

Also my english suffered from not using it much for the past 20 years, as I lived in an Asia third-world country for much of that time and speak the local dialect.

As for things you may not agree with on the face, let me see if I can disrupt your thinking at the following post I made today:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3615848

I need to go quiet because all this talking is disruptive to programming. And I prefer programming. Fits my mental makeup and personality.

Thanks!

I'm going to be gone for a couple of days, as I work a long distance from home, but when I get back I'll check it out. Just wanted to drop the note so you didn't think I was ignoring you as I vanish

and again @ anonymint, in rereading my first post it came off rather snarky. That was not my intent at all. Chalk it up to lack of coffee. I really like reading your stuff. I just find some of your conclusions very different from mine, even though we seem to be coming from a very similar perspective. Also, from some of you comments I gather that english might not be your native tongue, in which case I have to say you write it well, but it could lead to some confusion of meaning. I only discovered you three days ago, so don't go silent just yet, eh?

ripple.com. Click "wallet" in the top right to create a wallet.

Since bitstamp is the biggest ripple gateway, its the best way to get money into XRP right now. Without a bitstamp account, i think the best alternatives are dividendrippler.com and ripplewise.com.

The best XRP chart is http://xrp.webr3.org/usd-xrp. It shows the bitstamp USD order book (lower price is better, because XRP is the quote currency so price is read as "103 XRP to the dollar").

Not familiar with it, unfortunately. Could you provide a link? (I'm always about learning new things )

Right, but silver is just a more volatile PM, price is still highly correlated. So its not a good alternative/hedge.

If there's going to be an alternative crypto-currency with a price less correlated (or inversely correlated) to BTC, I'm betting that its XRP (as the dollar to the gold). For one, its the most different (not just an alt-chain). For two, its the only existing alternative to bank transfers for withdrawing fiat or moving fiat between exchanges.

This time around, when other exchanges have their share of the same problems/delays processing fiat withdrawals that mtgox had, i expect ripple/XRP to very well positioned. Both in terms of utility/adoption, and price gains. But its just a bet, and I could be wrong.

I hope not. I meant I am unsure of where you're coming from. You've presented some things that on their face, I do not agree with. Yet you are coming from largely the same (or so it seems) philosophical underpinnings as I am. On a couple of things, I definitely disagree with you, as I had posted previous. I'm simply not sure on the rest. I was following you on another thread, and your posts were about the only ones that interested me. Don't go quiet!

Says the person who has bought LTC!

i love you because of this statement    but : bitcoin will have this kind of growth now and in the future. of course we will see , that the price dropps alot and alot of new user sell their coins, but BTC will then recover.

Fuck I tried to explain to the kid that he can trust the Bazaar.

I try to soothe someone and you attack.

What kind of miserable life would cause you to be so callous and spiteful.

Yeah you are correct. It is better shut up and do only action and never ever try to share a damn thing.

Westerners are so cruel (yet they think they are so good). I wonder if they were beaten as children or just love judging others or what. It is one reason I hate to live in Western countries.

They see everyone else as crazy except themselves.

Judging Others

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Can you hear them? Just over there? Shouting "Nurse!"?

It's important, now, we know. But when they let you wake up, it'll be so sunny, so peaceful...

That is okay man, it doesn't offend me, because this isn't about me at all.

Let the chips fall where they may.

I will probably go quiet soon. Thanks.

As a staunch individualist, I approve of this post.

Not altogether sure of it's author though. I've been reading you quite a bit lately. You sir, are an interesting fella. I agree with most of your data, and a lot of your conclusions, but I think sometimes you take your ideology too far. But I have not gone all the way down your rabbit hole right now, so I will call that a preliminary observation.

I do not, however, concur with you that bitcoin will become fully cartelized and centralized inevitably. I do see the possibility, but I think what is more likely is that it's slow rate of growth and low cap will eventually relegate it to an alternative currency even more than it currently is, albeit a much higher valuation.

I suspect that the scrypt based altcoins, particularly litecoin (even though I'm amused by and like some of the others) will do the job it's creators envisioned. Act as silver to BTC's gold. With perhaps another acting as copper.

Let the markets play out as they will. I personally think that two seemingly contradictory statements are true. BTC's price ($458/!BTC at this very moment according to Preev.com) is probably a bubble. I suspect it will drop somewhat in the coming week. I also think that just given it's current adoption, BTC is undervalued due to it's scarcity and increasing adoption. I am going to guess (I shan't use the word predict cuz this is off the cuff) that it will hit 1k relatively soon, I'm guessing February or early March.

You are expressing a market demand. And I told you I am listening. And I bet others who are capable are listening.

Don't expect it to come top-down in a shining ivory tower of teamwork. That is not how open source really works. There is always a benevolent dictator involved in every great open source initiative, e.g. Linus Torvalds for Linux or Guido van Rossum for Python. Both of them did considerable initial work before being enjoined by others to contribute.

Remember open source operates more like a chaotic, random Bazaar than a predictable Cathedral.

Google The Mythical Man-Month. Teams slow everything down.

Then look what one person (me) did all by himself. Is 1% of the internet in 2001 (CoolPage.com) in 2 years not impressive for a one-man company from a Nipa Hut in a third world country?

The altcoin you want will come from probably one or maybe two programmers. And then he/she will pay others to help refine it in open source teamwork.

Relax. It will come. The opportunity is too great for it not to.

You can't blame me for trying to tell the bitcoin community that there is a way that would be beneficial for the entire community.

If the solution will come, then it will probably come from a group that is small and efficient. The group will made by individuals who have the highest influence. Those who think that they are more efficient alone then with others are just bad at teamwork. If only the right people would hear my reasoning, so they could direct the sector so, that will go better for everyone involved.

Right now I'm going to sleep. i'll be looking forward to reading all of your replies tomorrow.

I don't have any comment on most of the OP, but this...


Hallelujah brother.


Notice my ears are not sealed.  

Don't think the genesis of a better altcoin will come from a group effect. Groups are inherently inefficient. The group will support the initiative created by someone capable.


Agreed. He has good intentions and wants to see more choice in the market to smooth out and improve market efficiency, but hopefully he can learn that collectivism is not efficient. Tie your shoelaces together, tape your arm to your leg, fuse the chain links on your bicycle... systems are not efficient when you remove degrees-of-freedom.

Thus "sticking together" on Bitcoin is not good due to the same reasoning.

Let everyone decide for themselves what is the best investment.

Honestly, I only have hope that people will hear me, who are important enough to have a say in the direction of cryptos. The banking sector is working together quite efficiently, why couldn't the cryptocurrency sector do the same? The crypto sector isn't just full of emotional teenagers who have no concept of synergy.