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March 09, 2018, 08:54:57 PM
#35
"Sir" and it's use is an interesting topic. It is a shortened form of the middle English word "sire" which was used to address a Knight or Baronet. It came to be used as a mark of respect for a worthy gentleman. "Gentleman" is another interesting concept, originally it described a man who didn't indulge in trade ie. a landowner, diplomat, military officer, or other person with independent means. One of the English traditions is for a gentleman to have 4 buttons on the sleeve of his jacket, and a servant would have 3. It always amused me that people would pay thousand for an off the peg suit by some fancy name, and wear the badge of a servant on their sleeve.

These days everything seems to have changed, and the old Stock Exchange motto of " My word is my bond " seems to have become " My word, have you got that much money, I'll see how much of it I can take". Sir is still used as a mark of respect in some instances, but it seems to be more of a sales ploy these days. You flatter the mark into thinking he is superior to you. It's a bit like the dog who rolls over to display his vulnerable underbelly because he wants something. Give him a kick, and you will soon see how subserviant he is in reality. It's even worse with cats. Smiley

That's a long post just to say that I don't think that "sir" has a place in board posting.

More than convinced Mr. JetCash!  Smiley


I appreciate the review on my post and your advice to improve it.
Is it possible to use that grammarly chrome in a mobile phone ? I often don't have time using a laptop because I am currently in an On Job Training and it's kinda hard to always to keep my English straight without anyone having question marks floating in their minds Smiley
I will be determined more to improve myself because I can see that earlier adaptors like you are willing to help lower ranks like me.

Hey mate, I think it is not possible to use grammar checker extension using mobile phones. But every mobile phones has a feature on keyboards that check spellings and grammars (not so sure about grammars) of every words you input. I just don't know if it can really help!  Grin
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March 09, 2018, 08:36:56 PM
#34
this is a big problem for foreigner like me to post a new thread or post a comment in forum thread. if we use a google translate then we re-translate it, the meaning make us laugh to our self because we don't know the meaning although the post is ours. so the solution as i do, watch a english movie as much as possible. read a english book often and dont be shy to make a mistake when we learning. and please quote here how much i get a point with this post?? because i just type and search a word that i dont know the meaning, not a sentence. thank you
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March 09, 2018, 01:59:53 PM
#33
I find only two reasons why people are accused of spamming and shitoosting.
Firstly, they lack knowldege. If they don't know what they are actually reading, then how could they answer and tell reviews about it.
Secondly, it's because they are not learning to speak english or even learn how to use it. It will not not be understandable in any way. If they could not understand a word in terms of economics then how could be expect them to say a single word about it. Terms in economics is very important to be on track.

You forget to write the third reason why peoples are accused for spamming and shitposting. Its all for the signature campaign!
Just imagine if is there no option to earn money through sig. campaign than how many users will post in this forum and how many users will be actively active here?

Peoples makes shitposts to increase their post count and then to rank up with a common goal to participate in sig. campaign.
On the other side, those users don't even understand how they are spamming & polluting the forum.


Sorry for the grammar.


If you use Grammarly Chrome extension then you can avoid those silly grammars and spelling mistakes.
Grammarly doesn't have 100% accuracy in my opinion but it is a very useful tool and can help you a lot.


I appreciate the review on my post and your advice to improve it.
Is it possible to use that grammarly chrome in a mobile phone ? I often don't have time using a laptop because I am currently in an On Job Training and it's kinda hard to always to keep my English straight without anyone having question marks floating in their minds Smiley
I will be determined more to improve myself because I can see that earlier adaptors like you are willing to help lower ranks like me.
legendary
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March 09, 2018, 12:09:29 PM
#32
Spelling in English can be tricky.
I think that one of the best ways for improving posts of non-native English speaker, is to install additional dictionary plug-in for a browser.
Super simple and very effective way. Unfortunately it won't be much help with grammar, that's for additional extensions to take care of.
Still, with correct spelling even broken grammar won't affect the core of ones massage. It might be obvious to most but IMO worth to mention.

How about listing the best language tools/extensions for browsers?
Never tried any of those (although I should), is it worth the hassle?

BTW this thread is a great idea.



There is an extension called Grammarly. It is really useful too improve your English if, like me, you're not an English-native-speaker. It makes automatical corrections to your grammar. I have only used the free one, despite they have a "premium membership" supposedly more accurate than the free one and with a lot of more applications.
Grammarly has helo me a lot, for instance with those typical mistakes, like the confusion I always have between "in" and "on".
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March 09, 2018, 11:56:01 AM
#31
I find only two reasons why people are accused of spamming and shitoosting.
Firstly, they lack knowldege. If they don't know what they are actually reading, then how could they answer and tell reviews about it.
Secondly, it's because they are not learning to speak english or even learn how to use it. It will not not be understandable in any way. If they could not understand a word in terms of economics then how could be expect them to say a single word about it. Terms in economics is very important to be on track.

You forget to write the third reason why peoples are accused for spamming and shitposting. Its all for the signature campaign!
Just imagine if is there no option to earn money through sig. campaign than how many users will post in this forum and how many users will be actively active here?

Peoples makes shitposts to increase their post count and then to rank up with a common goal to participate in sig. campaign.
On the other side, those users don't even understand how they are spamming & polluting the forum.


Sorry for the grammar.


If you use Grammarly Chrome extension then you can avoid those silly grammars and spelling mistakes.
Grammarly doesn't have 100% accuracy in my opinion but it is a very useful tool and can help you a lot.
legendary
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March 09, 2018, 08:33:12 AM
#30
"Sir" and it's use is an interesting topic. It is a shortened form of the middle English word "sire" which was used to address a Knight or Baronet. It came to be used as a mark of respect for a worthy gentleman. "Gentleman" is another interesting concept, originally it described a man who didn't indulge in trade ie. a landowner, diplomat, military officer, or other person with independent means. One of the English traditions is for a gentleman to have 4 buttons on the sleeve of his jacket, and a servant would have 3. It always amused me that people would pay thousand for an off the peg suit by some fancy name, and wear the badge of a servant on their sleeve.

These days everything seems to have changed, and the old Stock Exchange motto of " My word is my bond " seems to have become " My word, have you got that much money, I'll see how much of it I can take". Sir is still used as a mark of respect in some instances, but it seems to be more of a sales ploy these days. You flatter the mark into thinking he is superior to you. It's a bit like the dog who rolls over to display his vulnerable underbelly because he wants something. Give him a kick, and you will soon see how subserviant he is in reality. It's even worse with cats. Smiley

That's a long post just to say that I don't think that "sir" has a place in board posting.
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March 09, 2018, 08:26:46 AM
#29
English language is certainly not my native language. I am a Filipino and in some threads my fellowmen were always critisized about their crooked English statements.
I don't really have a problem with it because I can see why they were actually judged by many.
Even I have problems when it comes to letting others understand what I mean. I also need some advises and I am willing to learn from this thread.

I find only two reasons why people are accused of spamming and shitoosting.
Firstly, they lack knowldege. If they don't know what they are actually reading, then how could they answer and tell reviews about it.
Secondly, it's because they are not learning to speak english or even learn how to use it. It will not not be understandable in any way. If they could not understand a word in terms of economics then how could be expect them to say a single word about it. Terms in economics is very important to be on track.

Sorry for the grammar.
It will be a pleasure if you would correct my thoughts in sentences too.
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March 09, 2018, 06:25:16 AM
#28
English is not my native language, and I can tell to everyone out loud that beyond being a English - Filipino translator, I admit, sometimes but not too often, my English grammar/post aren't that much correct. However, it doesn't stop me from being a translator but rather I take it a challenge to help myself to become a much better English speaker. And I think I'm doing much better now, still kindly judge me! Cheesy But my point is, this thread might help members but just those who are interested enough only. You and other members whose native language is English can't totally help them if they are not helping their own selves. But maybe this thread can encourage them to help themselves become a good poster, now that they already knew a native English speaker would help them broaden their English grammar and vocabulary, FOR FREE! And since most techniques and advice's are already been said above, I don't want to add more to make redundancies.

I knew this post is not about bitcoin or stuffs related to it but I guess my post is not much irrelevant to what you wanted to see, right? I hope so!  Grin
And would you mind if I try to share the link of your post to our local board, just to let them know about this thread you created since not all of them would be aware, and because I want most of my fellow countrymates to improve their English skills (for those who can't speak English fluently). - I'm not saying I can speak English fluently, but most of them I believe can't! Wink

I'm also willing to learn more on this thread, so please expect my presence here...

A couple off the top of my head:

Don't call people "Sir". We have a big, egalitarian society here /s

/s means that the preceding was sarcastic.

I often called people "Sir" because it is a formal and respectful term. Then I realized you got a point, so I would stop using that word inside here from now on!
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March 09, 2018, 06:04:42 AM
#27
To further tackle the issue - having been there once - if anybody needs help with their posts, or someone to review them, feel free to contact me

I'm a native Germen and have studied English for 6 years at the University of Augsburg, eventually becoming a teacher (Sports/English).

So if anybody wants someone to look over their post, just PM me - don't worry it is completely free. I ve been at rock bottom once and do know how the language barrier can be an immense obstacle - therefore it is enjoyable for me to help others - which is why I became a teacher after all.

Only requirements : Pls make an effort to at least get the point across, I cannot create your post for you from zero. Also keep it at a reasonable length.

I'm mostly online from 9-12am MET.

Cheers and no need to feel ashamed!  Wink
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March 09, 2018, 04:53:12 AM
#26
Are you a native speaker Jet Cash? And if not can you let me know that how long have u been studied, can u give some effective way or some of your materials to learn English?

I'm English born and educated, and I have a received English accent.

Unfortunately my English has been corrupted by the Internet. Smiley
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March 09, 2018, 04:30:58 AM
#25
Are you a native speaker Jet Cash? And if not can you let me know that how long have u been studied, can u give some effective way or some of your materials to learn English?
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March 09, 2018, 04:14:50 AM
#24

What about Hard fork?.  do you think it can affect the original protocol or the market of the oginal coin if the hard fork has a problem when it release?.  Or it's okay to have a problem as long as it will not be supported by the people?

I think it would be better to ask that question on one of the discussion boards. You will probably get replies from members with more knowledge than I have. Smiley
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March 08, 2018, 11:24:09 PM
#23
hi.. i just want to know your opinion about the price of the Bitcoin  10 years from now?. anything advice from you. will the bitcoin improve more?. and what do you think is it?. . cause. base on your experience.  you have. a lot of  info campare to others.. your name is familiar to other users they tell that your one of the most active member here. talk about speculate, you can share.Do you think it is ok for now to invest in bitcoin.  even the price is too high?.   or find another?.sorry for my english. i want to improve about it.  cause its not my first language.
Thanks for posting that, and it raises some interesting issues.
[hi..]
It's the first word of a sentence, so the "H" should be capitalised, however, this is a forum post and not a PM, so I don't think I would have started the post with it.
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cause. base on your experience.  you have. a lot of  info campare to others.. your name is familiar to other users they tell that your one of the most active member here. talk about speculate, you can share
I'm assuming that this post ws intended to be included in a discussion thread, and if that is so, then that comment, although itis flattering, is not really relevant to the topic, unless you are targetting a specific member. In this case you should prefix the comment with a prompt for him to reply, you can do this  with an entry such as @dmonrey002 .

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sorry for my english. i want to improve about it.  cause its not my first language.

I would have written - I apologise for my english. It is not my first language, but I hope to improve this by reading the threads on Bitcoin Talk ( a bit of grovelling never hurts ).

With regard to the min question, I would flesh it out a bit -

The price of Bitcoin has been fairly volatile recently, and it looks as if it may still be in a bear trend. I am a long term holder of Bitcoin, and I would be grateful for opinions on its value in 10 years time. If you believe that it's value will increase significantly, do you think that now is the time to buy, or should I wait for a positve break through the current resistance level.



Hi again Mr. Jet Cash.  thank you for make some correction about my comment on your thread. Also thank you for the tips and advice that you give about  what will be the price of bitcoin after 10 years from now. Hope some user reading this thread help them and give some idea about bitcoin market.  Goodluck for investing. 

What about Hard fork?.  do you think it can affect the original protocol or the market of the oginal coin if the hard fork has a problem when it release?.  Or it's okay to have a problem as long as it will not be supported by the people?
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March 08, 2018, 08:54:01 PM
#22
Most of the users here were not the native speakers of English. Majority have English as the second language, so continued working is a must to improve ourselves and become proficient in the language which is much required to be an active user of the forum.

I'm a native English speaker and I'll do what I can to help in the thread to improve other's mastery of this wonderful language.  First of all I'd like to complement everyone who is trying to master English, especially writing it.  It's (a contraction of the word it and is, contractions are used all the time when writing and speaking English) a very interesting language in that it picks up words and phrases from many other languages with ease and incorporates them into English, they become part of the lexicon.  

English has a lot in common with some languages.  In Spanish and English, for example, about 25% of the words are identical (including identical!).  For other languages there is nothing in common and that makes it much more difficult to process.  I would say for anyone who is studying it and working at learning it, good for you and don't get discouraged, just plug away at it and as time passes and one practices the improvements will come.

I went ahead and selected the above quoted post and will edit it below, hope this helps and will check out the thread a couple of times a week and try to make some suggestions.

"Most of the users here are not native speakers of English.  The majority have English as a second language, so continued working at it is a must to improve ourselves and to become proficient in the language which is almost required to be an active user of the forum."  

Instead of keeping much required I changed it to almost required.  I think what the OP was saying is that to be an active user it's a great benefit to be able to communicate clearly and correctly in English.  It's always tricky in trying to correct other's writings to try and keep the original meaning while using the correct grammar and syntax.

Good luck with the studies!
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March 08, 2018, 12:49:19 PM
#21
Focus on fluency, not grammar
Try some tongue twisters

If you focus on fluency instead of grammar then you will end up with gibberish. Once you got basics and vocabulary then fluency will automatically follow. Tongue Twisters are for improving the pronunciations they are no help in improving written English.

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I am in complete agreement with your tips.








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March 08, 2018, 12:20:47 PM
#20
We have a lot of potentially valuable members who are receiving negative comments because english isn't their first language. I thought that, rather than calling them names and penalising them, it would be better if we could provide some advice to help them improve their english posting. I've started this thread to see if I, and some other members who have english as their first language, can provide this help.

This thread is self-moderating, and I will have to make a few rules to ensure that it remains useful.

- All posts must be about Bitcoin, Bitcoin price movements, and its place in the world economy.
- Posts about alt coins, bounties and other topics so beloved of the sig spammers will be deleted.
- Please don't give advice about the structure and content of a post if english isn't your first language.
- This thread is text only, so no fancy formatting or embedded graphics please.

Obviously your command of english isn't a barrier to posting in this thread, but please do the best you can to help us to understand the content of your post.

So lets go for it - post a comment, or ask a question

Thanks Jetcash
This is very good and constructive lead. I am very  happy that  instead of calling names you decided to help.

Below are the points I take care while posting:
1. Words that are underlined with red line : I correct them, just right click them,Google automatically provide suggestions of correct spelling.
2. Read my post again before clicking "Post" :  While reading the post again sometimes I got the idea that particular sentence is not clearly mentioning the idea that I want to convey. I re-frame these sentences.
Even English is not our native language but these  checks at least  improve the communication.

For improving English I am more interested in reading books and newspaper (that can vastly increases the vocabulary.)
If not sure of exact meaning of a word, then better to check in dictionary rather than assuming meaning.

Note: It is very important  to learn correct because "unlearning"  is much more difficult than learning.
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March 08, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
#19
My experiences, maybe it'll useful for someone:
- Have learnt basic English, and read comments in this forum.
- Don't translate your language to English word by word, i make this mistake a lot when i first joined Bct forum.
- If you have an uncertainly words or phrase (You've learnt new words and want to put it together), try searching it on google first, if there are not result matching > you was wrong, find that word in oxforddictionaries.com to know how to use it.
And the most important: learn about Collocations in English to know how to matching words, also you'll improve your Vocabulary, Grammar quickly.
(English is my second language, maybe i don't write grammar correctly  Grin)
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March 08, 2018, 10:52:40 AM
#18
Several essential components which form a good thread are:

Topic sentences: which states about writers' main ideas.
Detailed sentences: which should expand main ideas as logical as possible.
Linking words: which help to make threads more smoothly, and improve coherence.
Vocabularies: of course, writers should use as appropriate vocabularies as possible.

To sum up, writers should have good topic sentences, and avoid making distractions during their threads; focus on their main ideas instead.
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March 08, 2018, 07:04:48 AM
#17
This is a good thread Sir jet Cash, I'm pretty sure that many users out there (including me) will learn here some of the tips on effective English speaking/writing.

Though English is not my mother tongue, I can confidently say that I'm not too bad but not also too good in this, maybe just between the middle. Honestly, English language serves as a form of communication barrier for me before simply because that's a foreign language — a language that I'm not well familiar with. But with my eagerness to learn, I study hard and push myself to adapt. Here are some of my tips for improving your English communication skills.

1. Be a bookworm. Always read any kind of literature using English language whether it is  a simple pamplet or a novel because it will develop your vocabulary.

2. Watch English movies frequently. Doing this will improve your comprehension skills and will enhance the way you pronounce by mimicking the dialogue of the actor/actress.

3. Always write. Don't push yourself to write a series of paragraphs at first, just start in simple thoughts and try to express it in a sentence. Then if you think you become better, try now constructing paragraphs or short stories. Doing these will enhance your technical writing skills, grammar and even your style of writing.

I hope my tips help you a lot.
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March 08, 2018, 06:52:52 AM
#16
Jet Cash You have actually provide a valuable presentation and seriously i appreciate what you do. Is really annoying when people comments post with shitty remark it makes the person feels bad so why not just correct him and he may actually feel encourage to write better and also learn better..With You and Others providing such guide things are going to change for sure here. I will make sure to follow your guide and all others that provided help here..Thank you guys
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