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Criticizing Bitcoin/crypto because of a centralized exchange failure has always been an idiotic criticism in the first place; always voiced out by ignorant people on social media. Those empty cans have always been the most vocal.
Empty vessels make the loudest noise, Bitcoin have no correlation with centralized exchange so the situation in any exchange shouldn't be a remark on bitcoin, infact just as the negative impact of those centralized exchanges on bitcoin ideology is more higher than it impact on investors.
Let's not forget that few coins are not listed on centralized exchanges till today and they do so well in this crypto market, look at HEX for example, as successful as this coin is it never get listed on those cex big exchanges .
Bitcoin will do so fine without any centralised exchanges and in fact, it feels more at home on Decentralised exchanges, Bitcoin was never created to be under any centralized power as we know it.
Are you kidding me, why should you mention HEX coin in this kind of conversation HEX is not a project that should be mentioned for any good discussion because HEX coin is nothing but just a pump-and-dump coin that has no future and we shouldn't relate such coin to Bitcoin for whatever reason.
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I have read, heard close discussions, rumours and rumoured misconceptions and misunderstanding about Bitcoin as it relates with Exchanges.

As we all are aware, the ussge if centralized exchange defeats the whole idea of Bitcoin and perhaps the reason why it was created by Satoshi Nakamoto which is decentralization and self custody. Regardless of how people speak condescendingly to friends and families about backing off from investing in Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies during the recent FTX collapse.

A bit furious about it summon myself to make this up, that the failure of an exchange can and will never be the failure of Bitcoin.
Satoshi Nakamoto who I believed mined the highest number of Bitcoin has not 1% of those Bitcoin holding's on any of those popular exchanges. That should be enough for every or any sensible human out there to mimick and imitate. I consider it pure cowardice to think that if an exchange fails that Bitcoin will fail, not even the level of crypto scams will crash it nor lead it to stunt growth and adoption. Jim Cramer has been such a stupid influencer pushing people to exit investment in crypto and also to panic sell which is wrong as he said that months behind. A dialogue with people who have seen worst in the bear market and exchange collapse will have you disciplined and leaving exchanges for good, buying the dip in the process as it also an opportunity to accumulate more satoshis.
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In Reality, Bitcoin is a digital gold and can actually do without exchnages.. they haven't represented Bitcoin from the very beginning, an example is that the first pizza bought with Bitcoin, had no exchange playing any role in that process.

If there were no cryptocurrencies especially Bitcoin, there wouldn't have been an exchange... Centralized Exchnages rose up after the creation of Bitcoin , are they any different from local banks? Making profits is the sole aim.

Since the rise of Centralized Exchnages they have more harm and ruins... From MT. GOX, Quadriss and to thr latest FTX collapse, all they do is put investors in doubt about the continuation of investments in crypto projects, both life savings and retirement plans have been shattered.

The bottom line of this all is that the failure of Centralized Exchnages can never be that of Bitcoin which after every bear market has been tested, the cycle continues, gather sats around and be patient for the bull.
I remember last December, I heard someone talks about the fall of FTX, he associate FTX to the entire bitcoin and crypto market. I'm just upset that people only knew FTX because it has been hype by many influential people if I'm not mistaken a local game content creator here in our country promoted that website non stop in his channel and that was the time I first heard FTX but I did not try to use that since I don't like exchanges that is being promoted by someone just like a popular coin gets hyped and then gone after a bit.
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People are just fond of correlating things which are not even in line with one another. Unfortunately, the reaction affects the industry which contributes to the market downfall. Some investors are still afraid to engage at the present with crypto investment in fear that exchangers will cause additional risks with their assets without realizig that from the past years, this is only one of the rare instance wherein an exchange became negligent with their fund. People are disregarding that there are responsible and useful exchangers to move their assets with whether centralized or decentralized ones.
This seems to be a confusion not just to many ordinary people but even among the leaders in congress who investigated the case of FTX. Sometimes it is easy to generalize crypto companies, crypto applications, even other cryptocurrencies as Bitcoin. They are not.

If Bitcoin is being doubted because FTX failed, then they haven't understood a thing about Bitcoin. This must also be the generalization of some members of congress who failed to understand that centralized exchanges like FTX isn't Bitcoin, doesn't represent Bitcoin. In fact, they are the opposite of Bitcoin.
I doubt with the 'opposite' it is more of a product being used in a platform. The platform is exchanger while the product is Bitcoin. But that's indeed true, generalization has never done good to any industry; it just makes the situation worse.
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Let's not forget that few coins are not listed on centralized exchanges till today and they do so well in this crypto market, look at HEX for example, as successful as this coin is it never get listed on those cex big exchanges .
Bitcoin will do so fine without any centralised exchanges and in fact it feels more at home on Decentralised exchanges, Bitcoin was never created to be under any centralized power as we know it.
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The failure of centralized exchange only prove that centralized system aren't they way to go if the industry want to go far. Instead of we fighting for adoption through us giving up what makes the industry unique (which is it been decentralized) then to hell with their adoption.
Exchanges are so scam especially centralized exchanges but they have contributions to cryptocurrency ecosystem. There are scammers with decentralized exchanges too. Project teams can rug pulls on decentralized exchanges and people like projects that are listed on big centralized exchanges. They have more belief in CEX listed projects than only DEX listed projects.

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We can achieve adoption through peer to peer, it just might take longer to achieve but we can wait. The world isn't ending tomorrow and we have lots of time to build and strength the industry.
It is future but CEX and DEX will grow together and people will use both CEX and DEX.

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Who knows maybe the government are the ones sponsoring this centralized exchange to strengthen their fight against Bitcoin as all this centralized exchange do is to sell our data to the government so they can monitor our every move.
Governments receive tax from centralized exchanges and maybe lobby things from CEX teams too.
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The bottom line of this all is that the failure of Centralized Exchnages can never be that of Bitcoin which after every bear market has been tested, the cycle continues, gather sats around and be patient for the bull.

The failure of centralized exchange only prove that centralized system aren't they way to go if the industry want to go far. Instead of we fighting for adoption through us giving up what makes the industry unique (which is it been decentralized) then to hell with their adoption.
We can achieve adoption through peer to peer, it just might take longer to achieve but we can wait. The world isn't ending tomorrow and we have lots of time to build and strength the industry.
Who knows maybe the government are the ones sponsoring this centralized exchange to strengthen their fight against Bitcoin as all this centralized exchange do is to sell our data to the government so they can monitor our every move.
Bitcoin can do without the centralized exchange and the fastest they all fail the sooner the community will realized they didn't really need them. Now this exchangs are making people think the industry can't do without them meanwhile that's false.
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Re: The Failure of Exchanges can never be that of Bitcoin.

This statement is valid and has been repeated multiple times on the forum. Repeating it one more time doesn't make it more valid. Grin
It's true that the crypto exchanges exist mostly because of the altcoins, not because of Bitcoin. The original purpose of the crypto exchanges was to be some sort of "financial casinos", where the traders by and sell various "shiny objects", like altcoins, shitcoins, tokens, etc.
The crypto market was crazy speculative and the traders were expecting insane profits out of pump&dump schemes or they were waiting for some altcoin to become "the new Bitcoin".
I'm still a Bitcoin maximalist and I still think that the crypto world doesn't need altcoins and crypto exchanges.
 
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I don't know where you read that news, but I've never heard of it, bitcoin and exchanges like currencies and banks. A failed bank doesn't mean the currency collapses and neither does bitcoin. I remember we also had a topic about the correlation between bitcoin and exchanges and honestly, bitcoin can work fine even without an exchange, so saying that the collapse of exchanges will drag bitcoin to collapse is the dumbest statement I've ever heard.

I see you didn't take your time reading throughout the whole text there, I'll advice you take your time already to read it.

The faluire of centralized exchange has never been and will never be the downfall of Bitcoin.
It was good to hear and read from users during the FTX collapse saying they handled the entire situations gently despite majority of them  getting bankrupt by Fxt. I would be so disrespectful of me to call you a poor reader so I won't do that.

I mean, where do you read those news? Who spread those false rumors? I didn't say you said those things.



You're correct that bitcoin can function without exchanges, but traders and investors cannot really do their thing without exchanges. Bitcoin is only dragged on the issue because it's what's being traded on the exchanges, and it's mainly the target of hacks. Bitcoin doesn't share any of these faults and insecurities of exchanges, but it may seem like it because the price of bitcoin afterwards is what's getting affected unfortunately.

Yes, the people who need the exchange are us, not bitcoin, exchanges are extremely important to the market and investors like us. Without them, we would have a lot of difficulties with our financial activities. Like fiat money and banks, although we don't like them because they are centralized or lose value over time. But in the end, they are still our ultimate goal, without fiat our lives would come to a standstill.
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This seems to be a confusion not just to many ordinary people but even among the leaders in congress who investigated the case of FTX. Sometimes it is easy to generalize crypto companies, crypto applications, even other cryptocurrencies as Bitcoin. They are not.

If Bitcoin is being doubted because FTX failed, then they haven't understood a thing about Bitcoin. This must also be the generalization of some members of congress who failed to understand that centralized exchanges like FTX isn't Bitcoin, doesn't represent Bitcoin. In fact, they are the opposite of Bitcoin.
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I had myself seen people (mostly uninformed people) on Twitter in the days of the collapse of FTX, they were talking about how Bitcoin failed and a lot of non-sense.
Saying that the collapse of an exchange is a Bitcoin failure; would be equivalent to say the bankruptcy of a bank is the failure of FIAT, and we all know that nobody would think that way if bank went out of business tomorrow.

It is just plain ignorance about Bitcoin, in my opinion.

I assume most of the users on this forum are informed enough, I don't fear that kind of cheap FUD to affect people who is already part of our community.
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In Reality, Bitcoin is a digital gold and can actually do without exchnages.. they haven't represented Bitcoin from the very beginning, an example is that the first pizza bought with Bitcoin, had no exchange playing any role in that process.

If there were no cryptocurrencies especially Bitcoin, there wouldn't have been an exchange... Centralized Exchnages rose up after the creation of Bitcoin , are they any different from local banks? Making profits is the sole aim.
But to be honest, those centralized exchanges bring convenience for most people or Bitcoin users.
There's a benefit but the problem is that it's a mistake made by the centralized exchange that could also have an effect on Bitcoin's reputation and also of course on the price.  Exchange acted as a middleman per transaction when there was trade and to protect people against fraud and this centralized exchange was raised.

There's nothing wrong with me if we will use a centralized exchange as long as never store your coin on exchange for a long time.
They also contributed an awareness of Bitcoin among the people and criticizing failure doesn't make sense to me but instead, learn from this mistake and never leave your crypto to them.
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I don't know where you read that news, but I've never heard of it, bitcoin and exchanges like currencies and banks. A failed bank doesn't mean the currency collapses and neither does bitcoin. I remember we also had a topic about the correlation between bitcoin and exchanges and honestly, bitcoin can work fine even without an exchange, so saying that the collapse of exchanges will drag bitcoin to collapse is the dumbest statement I've ever heard.

I agree with the metaphor- exchanges were created in order to have some sort of convenience to the usage for the general public. To be honest, without these exchanges, the barrier of entry for a person to earn cryptocurrency can be difficult. That is why we can say that exchanges enable the public to at least earn BTC for the various wallets they offer.

Unfortunately, with convenience comes running the risk of getting scammed. Along with this, lots of exchanges have been numerously hacked and hundreds to thousands of BTCs were stolen in the process.
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In Reality, Bitcoin is a digital gold and can actually do without exchnages.. they haven't represented Bitcoin from the very beginning, an example is that the first pizza bought with Bitcoin, had no exchange playing any role in that process.

Since the rise of Centralized Exchnages they have more harm and ruins... From MT. GOX, Quadriss and to thr latest FTX collapse, all they do is put investors in doubt about the continuation of investments in crypto projects, both life savings and retirement plans have been shattered.

And where would Bitcoin be right now without centralized exchanges? It's limited to 7 transactions per second, while exchanges can have hundreds of trades per second. Bitcoin market as we know it wouldn't exist without exchanges, and millions of people would never buy Bitcoin without the convenience of centralized exchanges. So the price today would likely be below $1,000 and we would have huge problems with transaction fees if all the trades happened on chain.

You can criticize centralized exchanges, but they will not go away until Bitcoin protocol can handle enough transactions to sustain all Bitcoin trading.
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Definitely Bitcoin shouldn't be blame on the failure of a company, or lost of investment of any investors.  Bitcoin is created as tool and is not capable of doing such harm.  Anything that creates negative impact are those who are using or taking advantage of the Bitcoin creation.  In short, people behind this failures are the one to be blame since they have the mind to create plans and power to execute them.  Anyone blaming Bitcoin for all those mishaps and losses are just too naive and wanted to blame others instead of blaming himself for the mistakes he had done.

Bitcoin is developed out of the blockchain technology where the intermediary is eliminated. This makes way for the decentralised functioning of the network. Now the existence of centralized exchanges have taken the intermediary position in some means. In one way the growth of cryptomarket is connected with the contribution from Exchanges. Same time the centralized system failures create negative image for bitcoin among the unknown people. In reality the mistake is the exchange and not the bitcoin.

I can blame media and people who have anti-Bitcoin propaganda for that.  Since these people have hidden interests to push the blame on Bitcoin.

The media just because they wanted to sensationalize their news unintentionally guiding people to think that the culprit is Bitcoin on the poor decisions and fraud action of these centralized owner that leads their company to collapse.  The anti-Bitcoin that is always looking for the possibility of connecting Bitcoin to evil works of man.
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Bitcoin is developed out of the blockchain technology where the intermediary is eliminated. This makes way for the decentralised functioning of the network. Now the existence of centralized exchanges have taken the intermediary position in some means. In one way the growth of cryptomarket is connected with the contribution from Exchanges. Same time the centralized system failures create negative image for bitcoin among the unknown people. In reality the mistake is the exchange and not the bitcoin.
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Does go without saying though, you don't blame the invention for the failure of the industry it enhanced.

I'm not quoting of course but people (media who then influenced people) blamed the internet for porn, for gambling, for Satanism, etc. Before that, television and video games for violence, serial killing. MTV for killing radio. Rock and roll for the destruction of values.

Go back further and they blamed newspapers and books for the loss of interest in conversation and the outdoors.

Never mind the condescending attitude you get as a Bitcoiner... just don't forget not to be the same to them when your use of a proven form of money helps you break out of one of the many fiat disadvantages.
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In Reality, Bitcoin is a digital gold and can actually do without exchnages.. they haven't represented Bitcoin from the very beginning, an example is that the first pizza bought with Bitcoin, had no exchange playing any role in that process.

This will realize if people do not need cash to buy their food.  Or does not need to exchange Bitcoin to fiat currency to gain back the capital to repurchase the goods.  Bitcoin will never be this popular and in demand without exchanges.  Although Bitcoin can really operate without exchanges, but the economy will not continue without these exchanges.  We are still living in a world where fiat currency is needed to pay for all our needs.

Now if you are a retail store and only rely on your business as a source of income, and the majority of your customers use Bitcoin as payment, can you survive if there is no exchange to convert your Bitcoin to fiat currency?


If there were no cryptocurrencies especially Bitcoin, there wouldn't have been an exchange... Centralized Exchnages rose up after the creation of Bitcoin , are they any different from local banks? Making profits is the sole aim.

Exchanges had been around even before Bitcoin is created do not make the misconception that exchanges originate from the creation of Bitcoin.

Since the rise of Centralized Exchnages they have more harm and ruins... From MT. GOX, Quadriss and to thr latest FTX collapse, all they do is put investors in doubt about the continuation of investments in crypto projects, both life savings and retirement plans have been shattered.

This is partly the fault of the investors.  They trust the centralized exchanges too much that they leave their Bitcoin in their platform while many always remind people the "not your keys, not your coins" phrase which means people need to self-custody and not leave their precious Bitcoin on the exchanges but many did not listen.


The bottom line of this all is that the failure of Centralized Exchnages can never be that of Bitcoin which after every bear market has been tested, the cycle continues, gather sats around and be patient for the bull.

I agree on this but I think some of your "pasakalye" (introduction to your thought) is misleading or impractical.
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I don't know where you read that news, but I've never heard of it, bitcoin and exchanges like currencies and banks. A failed bank doesn't mean the currency collapses and neither does bitcoin. I remember we also had a topic about the correlation between bitcoin and exchanges and honestly, bitcoin can work fine even without an exchange, so saying that the collapse of exchanges will drag bitcoin to collapse is the dumbest statement I've ever heard.

Exchanges hold bitcoin and crypto, and if one exchange gets hacked, guess where some of those coins will go?

That's right. It will get sold, leading to collapse in price plus the uncertainty of investors on the severity of the hack. There's also that false impression that the public—and also the uninformed investors—has built over the years that when an exchange gets hacked, bitcoin may also 'be' hacked, which then causes panic sells that affect the price.

You're correct that bitcoin can function without exchanges, but traders and investors cannot really do their thing without exchanges. Bitcoin is only dragged on the issue because it's what's being traded on the exchanges, and it's mainly the target of hacks. Bitcoin doesn't share any of these faults and insecurities of exchanges, but it may seem like it because the price of bitcoin afterwards is what's getting affected unfortunately.
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Centralized exchanges have a few potential nightmares.  First, you have hacks that steal customer funds.  Then you have KYC leaks that expose people's identity and financial situation.  Finally, you have misuse of customer funds by the exchange themselves, a la FTX.  When you consider all the things that could go wrong with centralized exchanges, and all the ways they use your money to make money without your knowledge or consent, and it seems like you'd be better off taking the responsibility of holding your crypto into your own hands.  This can be scary, but there are ways to protect yourself.  When you put your funds on an exchange, you're trusting a whole lot of individuals to make the right decisions.
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It really doesn't make sense to say bitcoin is guilty for the failure of exchanges. Their failure is totally related to their own mistakes when operating their businesses poorly. Sometimes it's due to lack of security and professionalism, which put customers' funds under risk of hacks, and sometimes it's due to the bad intentions of the CEOs themselves, who simply want to play with customers' funds without caring if they will lose it or not, as they know if lost, they can claim the company went bankrupt and still keep the money left through Chapter 11, which works as a legitimation of the scam by the law.
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