The fall of Bitcoin nodes. Why nobody talks about it ? - page 4.

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Quote from: allgoodthings1 on October 23, 2014, 08:36:11 PM

Quote from: BitcoinExchangeIndia.com on October 23, 2014, 06:25:17 PM

When someone runs bitcoin-qt in his personal machine connected to the internet with default configuration, is not he running a full node ?

Not unless he also opens Port 8333 on his firewall.

Actually you are... you have the same amount of data as a business does, its that only ~ 8 people can access it .

Now to get more people to run full nodes, do like darkcoin does.. their supernoods get a % of each block that is found.. The more connections you have to your node the more of the btc fees you get.

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blockchain is too lagre.Safety is no problem, inconvenient to use, give up.

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Quote from: BitcoinExchangeIndia.com on October 23, 2014, 06:25:17 PM

When someone runs bitcoin-qt in his personal machine connected to the internet with default configuration, is not he running a full node ?

Not unless he also opens Port 8333 on his firewall.

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Quote from: KROIN_SYSTEM on October 23, 2014, 03:58:09 AM

In these days in Kroin we are coding our transactions verification process and of course we peek a little bit outside our office, also for take a breath!

This article in coin desk http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-nodes-need/ put some cards on table:

What really happening to btc network ?
Why Nodes numbers dropping so fast recently ?
Why nobody talks about it ?

Is just how money developers makes for sustain btc network?

Any opinions are welcomed.

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When someone runs bitcoin-qt in his personal machine connected to the internet with default configuration, is not he running a full node ?

Quote from: gweedo on November 27, 2012, 11:29:53 PM

Just download the bitcoin-qt or bitcoind and you will be a full node

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Quote from: yayayo on October 23, 2014, 08:35:36 AM

It's a considerable problem. Decentralization is at stake.

I don't understand why Gavin is pushing for an automatic block size limit increase that will make this problem only worse (I think the block size limit should be raised by demand only, not in an automatic fashion). Imho it's a totally wrong perception of priorities to aim at including as many transaction as possible without costs while the foundation of the whole network is in danger.

Enabling semi-full-nodes via pruning is extremely important for network health.

ya.ya.yo!

Just because the limit as to how large each block can be is raised does not mean that the actual size of blocks will increase. The actual size of blocks will increase up to the block limit based on the amount of on-chain transactions that bitcoin has.

I would say that the main reason that we are seeing less nodes is because people no longer need to run a full node in order to run a wallet. I think this will be reversed as more companies start to accept and use bitcoin. I would predict that companies like exchanges, merchants and payment processors (like coinbase/bitpay) will be the primary operators of nodes as they have a very good reason to want to have a full node (and really a well-connected full node)

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I don't see how there being fewer full nodes has any negative impact on decentralization. The only benefit of running a full node is that other users may be able to use you as an additional peer when downloading the blockchain, and then only if you have your port forwarded properly.

Mining is the only significant way to support the network. Having an idle node on your vps has almost no positive effect.

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Quote from: L0uis on October 23, 2014, 09:01:07 AM

Just using my MacBook. No clue of how VPS things work lol.

If you're interested in the VPS thing, see my post of earlier this year: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/psa-add-a-full-node-for-just-19year-582817

There are good people that will set you up one for free.

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Quote from: L0uis on October 23, 2014, 08:38:29 AM

Running a node since yesterday, hovering between 20-30 connections Cool

Bless you! That's a good start. I have 3 going on VPS and they probably average about 70 connections. Sometimes, over 100 -- even with a limiter set at 100. Go figure.

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Quote from: L0uis on October 23, 2014, 08:38:29 AM

Running a node since yesterday, hovering between 20-30 connections Cool

yes it is so slow now.

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the node list of https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ is not that accurate. my IP is geo-tagged and locked so its very possible to locate me on the map........... yet im not on the map.

i know of 12 other people within 40 miles of me, all using bitcoin-core... yet.. not on the map. so i do not bother caring about the stats of bitnodes as it only shows which nodes are linked to their node.. not the entire worlds nodes.

coindesk and some posters here are not reading "reachable nodes" and thinking that bitnodes is the 100% definitive listing site

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Quote from: superresistant on October 23, 2014, 08:53:51 AM

With a bit of knowledge, one can launch over a thousand nodes around the world via VPS and the help of bash script, in few hours.

Yes it is a problem and solving it is damn easy.

What we can start is to run a full node at home and at work (if possible) and also run some VPS.
If most people do it, problem solved so just do it.

Just using my MacBook. No clue of how VPS things work lol.

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With a bit of knowledge, one can launch over a thousand nodes around the world via VPS and the help of bash script, in few hours.

Yes it is a problem and solving it is damn easy.

What we can start is to run a full node at home and at work (if possible) and also run some VPS.
If most people do it, problem solved so just do it.

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You have to differentiate between the quality of the nodes. Home PCs which are up a few hours a day on low bandwith or nodes on dedicated 24/7 servers. I don't know if there is a metric to get this information. The plain number of nodes doesn't mean much. Today many people run full nodes on a VPS.

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Running a node since yesterday, hovering between 20-30 connections Cool

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It's a considerable problem. Decentralization is at stake.

I don't understand why Gavin is pushing for an automatic block size limit increase that will make this problem only worse (I think the block size limit should be raised by demand only, not in an automatic fashion). Imho it's a totally wrong perception of priorities to aim at including as many transaction as possible without costs while the foundation of the whole network is in danger.

Enabling semi-full-nodes via pruning is extremely important for network health.

ya.ya.yo!

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We should first think about how many nodes we need or want. Everybody says "more!". how many more and why?

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Most of them don't bother to run one because of their bandwidth and large disk space requirement. People would ultimately want to use the wallet instantly and Bitcoin core typically take around a few hours to sync and on some computers, even days. SPV wallet are more convenient. The network need more reliable node with high availability so it is pretty useless for a average home user to run a full node.

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I expect the number of nodes to raise when the pruning stuff is available, although admittedly only a few of them will store the whole blockchain so most won't be "full" nodes. They will relay transactions and blocks though.

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The revolution will be monetized!

I think we expected that mainstream users will largely use online and non-node wallets. Most people want a system than is lighter and can run on cell phones. You don't have to rely on another entity to use BTC, but I bet in the future 90% will.

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Yes unfortunately that's the reality. The bloated blockchain remains a problem. It took me a week plus to finish sync on my slow network and i wonder with most lite wallet nowadays, it doesn't become a requirement anymore or give an incentive for people to maintain a node.

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