The real case here should be were the applicants being paid for the duration the campaign lasted before closure? If Yes then I don't see any reason why Mrs. A or Mr. B should get bothered about it. But in a case were none was paid and the funds are still escrowed the next is to get all workers paid after that everyone should mind their business and let the escrow funds be. Okay let's say did we know the terms and conditions those funds were escrowed with them? So it's left for the manager who brought the escrow account to decide what to do with the fund, in a case the campaign comes back then we can say only the manager and escrower will face the penalty to make refund or raised back such funds or possibly if the campaign comes back then they have to pay all participants for the duration of escrowed funds till it being exhausted.
This is just my view.
Topic: The fate of the leftover fund (Read 818 times)
Why are you still protesting when he has already moved the so-called dirty money from his wallet to an unknown location? Do you want to be sanctioned using "dirty money"?
For my own protection, I'd rather not have anything to do with those coins. Talking about it sucks.
When did I protest? Chipmixer operators are all either arrested or on the run, any past contracts between them and DS is now cancelled and has no affect because they are now criminals, honoring such contract is no longer a right thing to do, such dirty money should go to authorities, we are not outlaws to decide on our own. If pointing these facts is considered a bad thing here, then we are f**ked.For my own protection, I'd rather not have anything to do with those coins. Talking about it sucks.
And the authorities would put the coin inside personal pocket, go on vacation and keep making laws that allows them to keep the so called dirty money.
Stop twerking for the Government!!!
Why are you so interested in other people's money? You haven't answered
Btw, this twerking is called honesty, we all know what happens when people decide to make their own rules, I mean look at DT, the door is open for anyone, therefore I have decided to check our guests out for suspicious activities, unless you feel you are a member of a private club and nobody has any rights to talk in this club?
That could explain a lot of hostility around here, get over yourselves. The only thing working here is the flag system which I don't know much about it whether it has been abused or not, but lets hope I never have to find that out by myself.
Why are you still protesting when he has already moved the so-called dirty money from his wallet to an unknown location? Do you want to be sanctioned using "dirty money"?
For my own protection, I'd rather not have anything to do with those coins. Talking about it sucks.
When did I protest? Chipmixer operators are all either arrested or on the run, any past contracts between them and DS is now cancelled and has no affect because they are now criminals, honoring such contract is no longer a right thing to do, such dirty money should go to authorities, we are not outlaws to decide on our own. If pointing these facts is considered a bad thing here, then we are f**ked.For my own protection, I'd rather not have anything to do with those coins. Talking about it sucks.
And the authorities would put the coin inside personal pocket, go on vacation and keep making laws that allows them to keep the so called dirty money.
Stop twerking for the Government!!!
Why are you so interested in other people's money? You haven't answered
Why are you still protesting when he has already moved the so-called dirty money from his wallet to an unknown location? Do you want to be sanctioned using "dirty money"?
For my own protection, I'd rather not have anything to do with those coins. Talking about it sucks.
When did I protest? Chipmixer operators are all either arrested or on the run, any past contracts between them and DS is now cancelled and has no affect because they are now criminals, honoring such contract is no longer a right thing to do, such dirty money should go to authorities, we are not outlaws to decide on our own. If pointing these facts is considered a bad thing here, then we are f**ked. For my own protection, I'd rather not have anything to do with those coins. Talking about it sucks.
Why so serious and why can't you stand criticism? I was never part of a chipmonkey campaign, Darkstar I consider him my friend, but seeing such behaviour from him, I'm surprised and shocked, and I'm telling this to point out the obvious, whether LE says that 1.3 BTC is illegal or not, that money is no longer clean, it's a dirt and he should get rid of it.
Actually I had you on ignore, I don't know why I unignored you, maybe to see if you have something useful to say.
But now I'm scared, wet my pants after your aggressive behaviour towards a civilian citizen. Lol AND why am I being an A hole? Because you have passed your poor judgement on me about my complaint on JG, you are his DT voter, so excuse my butthurt.
Actually I had you on ignore, I don't know why I unignored you, maybe to see if you have something useful to say.
But now I'm scared, wet my pants after your aggressive behaviour towards a civilian citizen. Lol AND why am I being an A hole? Because you have passed your poor judgement on me about my complaint on JG, you are his DT voter, so excuse my butthurt.
If you include everyone who passes "poor" judgement on you on your ignored list, you're the one who can't take criticism.
DS must be proud to call you a friend, because you dance to every unfavourable news/discussion about DS.
Why are you still protesting when he has already moved the so-called dirty money from his wallet to an unknown location? Do you want to be sanctioned using "dirty money"?
For my own protection, I'd rather not have anything to do with those coins. Talking about it sucks.
Well, you better keep your personal opinions separate from your official opinions "sherrif" or whatever that means anyways, besides just a heads up, you just slapped your boss with a red tag, so much of a "sherrif". Lol
And of course it's not our business, right? It's not like they have been keeping 1.3 BTC on their own address for more than 8 months.
Around here, people only have the balls to tag someone for $50-$100 any amount above that makes their head feel dizzy.
So yeah, you all should wait for orders from above, because you can't obviously decide on your own, after all, you could all be some teenagers behind a desk, for all we know, right?
And of course it's not our business, right? It's not like they have been keeping 1.3 BTC on their own address for more than 8 months.
Around here, people only have the balls to tag someone for $50-$100 any amount above that makes their head feel dizzy.
So yeah, you all should wait for orders from above, because you can't obviously decide on your own, after all, you could all be some teenagers behind a desk, for all we know, right?
You really need to work on yourself and learn how to have peaceful discussions without being an asshole who is always trying to put others down. What Royse777 and DS have in their possession is none of your concern if you were appropriately compensated for the period of your work.
I'm not a compromised Sherrif so shove your "official opinion" in your a$$..
Learn how to not talk about Other people's money
Actually I had you on ignore, I don't know why I unignored you, maybe to see if you have something useful to say.
But now I'm scared, wet my pants after your aggressive behaviour towards a civilian citizen. Lol AND why am I being an A hole? Because you have passed your poor judgement on me about my complaint on JG, you are his DT voter, so excuse my butthurt.
@bsv, LB is bad, catch!😂
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A couple of members suggested you no longer be involved in reputation board threads for your goodwill. I also agree with them because I believe you do not have the proper way to talk to people. You should go somewhere else where shit posters write for the campaign requirements. I understand that you won't enjoy it there.
But, as others also said, you are not helping yourself. People do not need more reasons to tag you. You may get ten more tags for the same reason you got the other tags. I would also suggest you avoid this board.
Well, you better keep your personal opinions separate from your official opinions "sherrif" or whatever that means anyways, besides just a heads up, you just slapped your boss with a red tag, so much of a "sherrif". Lol
And of course it's not our business, right? It's not like they have been keeping 1.3 BTC on their own address for more than 8 months.
Around here, people only have the balls to tag someone for $50-$100 any amount above that makes their head feel dizzy.
So yeah, you all should wait for orders from above, because you can't obviously decide on your own, after all, you could all be some teenagers behind a desk, for all we know, right?
And of course it's not our business, right? It's not like they have been keeping 1.3 BTC on their own address for more than 8 months.
Around here, people only have the balls to tag someone for $50-$100 any amount above that makes their head feel dizzy.
So yeah, you all should wait for orders from above, because you can't obviously decide on your own, after all, you could all be some teenagers behind a desk, for all we know, right?
You really need to work on yourself and learn how to have peaceful discussions without being an asshole who is always trying to put others down. What Royse777 and DS have in their possession is none of your concern if you were appropriately compensated for the period of your work.
I'm not a compromised Sherrif so shove your "official opinion" in your a$$..
Learn how to not talk about Other people's money
Interesting how ChipMixer leftover fund is pretty legitimate and not sanctioned at all and SinBad leftover fund is not okay at all...
Nobody said that CM leftover funds are legitimate or not. But the main difference between these 2 cases is the fact that one manager (Royse) came immediately with a statement for the funds from Sinbad campaign, while the other one (DarkStar_) did not bother to do same thing even 8 months after CM was shut down. As a plus, he also moved the leftover funds from CM campaign (1.3 BTC) to another address, which contains 50+ BTC. I believe that if he would come up with an explanation as well all things would become more clear about what he had (has) in his mind.
Personally, I believe that the receiving address bc1q29xpuw8mx9933xed7t6r03yge42zf2rqmevntm belongs to chipmixer, that he had a manager-to-client agreement outside the forum, and that whatever is left in escrow is between the manager and his client. We don't have right over it.
Whatever the manager does with the escrow fund once a campaign is over should not be our concern. Same with Royse777
And of course it's not our business, right? It's not like they have been keeping 1.3 BTC on their own address for more than 8 months.
Around here, people only have the balls to tag someone for $50-$100 any amount above that makes their head feel dizzy.
So yeah, you all should wait for orders from above, because you can't obviously decide on your own, after all, you could all be some teenagers behind a desk, for all we know, right?
Interesting how ChipMixer leftover fund is pretty legitimate and not sanctioned at all and SinBad leftover fund is not okay at all...
Nobody said that CM leftover funds are legitimate or not. But the main difference between these 2 cases is the fact that one manager (Royse) came immediately with a statement for the funds from Sinbad campaign, while the other one (DarkStar_) did not bother to do same thing even 8 months after CM was shut down. As a plus, he also moved the leftover funds from CM campaign (1.3 BTC) to another address, which contains 50+ BTC. I believe that if he would come up with an explanation as well all things would become more clear about what he had (has) in his mind.
Personally, I believe that the receiving address bc1q29xpuw8mx9933xed7t6r03yge42zf2rqmevntm belongs to chipmixer, that he had a manager-to-client agreement outside the forum, and that whatever is left in escrow is between the manager and his client. We don't have right over it.
Whatever the manager does with the escrow fund once a campaign is over should not be our concern. Same with Royse777
Well what he has on his mind is to slide that money into his own pocket, unless you can ask him for explanation here, but who cares, right? After all it WASN'T declared illegal by AUTHORITIES, so he decided to be the authority, this is normal and accepted behaviour around these woods.
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Interesting how ChipMixer leftover fund is pretty legitimate and not sanctioned at all and SinBad leftover fund is not okay at all...
Nobody said that CM leftover funds are legitimate or not. But the main difference between these 2 cases is the fact that one manager (Royse) came immediately with a statement for the funds from Sinbad campaign, while the other one (DarkStar_) did not bother to do same thing even 8 months after CM was shut down. As a plus, he also moved the leftover funds from CM campaign (1.3 BTC) to another address, which contains 50+ BTC. I believe that if he would come up with an explanation as well all things would become more clear about what he had (has) in his mind.
Interesting how ChipMixer leftover fund is pretty legitimate and not sanctioned at all and SinBad leftover fund is not okay at all...
You should contact the agency taking down chipmonkey mixer and consult about the funds, if they say it's Ok to spend it by distributing it among the participants, you can come here and say it's good to go, but if they say it's illegal money, then the CM should return it to the government.But isn't obvious? They were involved in illegal activities, that money is dirty already whether anyone tells you, it should be obvious for anyone.
Interesting how ChipMixer leftover fund is pretty legitimate and not sanctioned at all and SinBad leftover fund is not okay at all...
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What I don't understand is why he needs to say anything about leftover money.
It's a question asked by OP and it's a question which stays on the tip of the tongue of many other users, be them ex-CM participants or not.
I am coming back on this thread, as it seems that DarkStar_ became to be sort of active again. Maybe not in term of posts, but I see that he also merited some users recently, inside his loans thread.
What I don't understand is why he needs to say anything about leftover money. I mean, since that was signature campaign money and all signature campaign participants got paid for their work, why should we care what he does with the money, and why should he give us any explanation after all?The way I see it, its between him and the person who hired him and gave him the money to run signature campaign.
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I would not like that my post to look like some pressure placed on purpose on DarkStar_'s shoulders, but I believe that, at least, he should come up with a resolution for the funds he is keeping.
The situation is even more intriguing, as the funds remaining after CM was seized were moved on August 18th to another address, which holds 50 BTC. The entire amount moved was 1.30807482 BTC. CM's address used for payments was 1ChipWGhJtEWCeSq3cra4HmKhvYqe8Tvty.
At same time, this address also hold some fork coins, such as 1.99 bcash for instance (I did not check for other fork coins, but I believe they are also available). In any case, the amount is low.
At least as long as the 1.3 BTC were kept inside the same address I thought that DarkStar_ has some plans with them and, perhaps, he would take a decision at a later time and come up with a few words about his decision. But seeing the funds were moved and there is still just silence from his side -- this brings a lot of questions...
I will repeat myself -- I don't want this to sound as an extra pressure for DS_. Perhaps he also does not know what to do with the money. And, at same time, I believe that is a very trustworthy forum user. But a few words from him would be nice.
The situation is even more intriguing, as the funds remaining after CM was seized were moved on August 18th to another address, which holds 50 BTC. The entire amount moved was 1.30807482 BTC. CM's address used for payments was 1ChipWGhJtEWCeSq3cra4HmKhvYqe8Tvty.
At same time, this address also hold some fork coins, such as 1.99 bcash for instance (I did not check for other fork coins, but I believe they are also available). In any case, the amount is low.
At least as long as the 1.3 BTC were kept inside the same address I thought that DarkStar_ has some plans with them and, perhaps, he would take a decision at a later time and come up with a few words about his decision. But seeing the funds were moved and there is still just silence from his side -- this brings a lot of questions...
I will repeat myself -- I don't want this to sound as an extra pressure for DS_. Perhaps he also does not know what to do with the money. And, at same time, I believe that is a very trustworthy forum user. But a few words from him would be nice.
I am coming back on this thread, as it seems that DarkStar_ became to be sort of active again. Maybe not in term of posts, but I see that he also merited some users recently, inside his loans thread.
In case he did not see this topic while he was inactive, maybe he'll see it now...
Perhaps, for more visibility, it would be better if OP would also change topic title from "The fate of the leftover fund" to "The fate of the leftover fund from ChipMixer / WhirlWind" (although the part about Whirlwind has been solved).
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It helps to avoid legal issues around the reception of funds for these services that have been unspent or improperly spent.
What possible legal issue you think it could have? I don't think we even should suggest anything. It's completely depend on the person who provided the service. Even if he decides to use the fund for his own, I see no issue. 
In this thread it has not been made clear what The fate of the leftover fund will be. The Whirlwind forum representative has was last online in July 2023. Has there been any comment or statement made in any thread in the forum that can indicate what is happening (or will happen) to the remaining escrow funds?
There are some possible ways:
1. Do nothing and high likely will lost.
2. It's become an extra bonus for the escrow.
3. Share it to every users who're involved.
4. Donation e.g. this forum, the one who needs etc.
1. Do nothing and high likely will lost.
2. It's become an extra bonus for the escrow.
3. Share it to every users who're involved.
4. Donation e.g. this forum, the one who needs etc.
This is only possible if both parties have no deal and the escrow has no terms about leftover funds, It's for the escrow party to address or not this issue because this is a deal of two parties involved, but the escrow party could send a message to the other party or make a public announcement here specifying a claiming period or they will consider this a lost fund and a lost fund is considered finder's keeper under specific time to claim the funds and can decide on what to do with the funds.
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