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legendary
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May 09, 2016, 11:41:46 AM
#26
With increasing deflation, the purchasing power of an economic entity increases the more the longer he postpones purchase. Consumers worldwide are interested in that as long as possible to postpone the purchase, and save money over time, only increasing its value. In this situation, companies lose capital, making fewer sales. Lower corporate earnings in the resulting folding corporate programs. The most expensive first article - a candidate for contraction - staff costs. Those. unemployment begins to rise. And then everything is clear.

That's the established theory. This theory is based on the assumption that only growth and a expanding economy are good. If you look at Japan, which is in economic contraction mode since years despite money flooding by its central bank, the life of the ordinary people has not become worse. You have to consider that especially people with low income, who have less options to get attractive returns on their capital, may actually see increases in their relative purchasing power.

What's more: It's highly unlikely that people stop spending entirely in a deflationary setting. They just buy less stuff they don't need and take less loans. In fact, that's a good thing - for people and the environment, because less resources are wasted for artificial growth.

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May 08, 2016, 03:24:24 AM
#25
With increasing deflation, the purchasing power of an economic entity increases the more the longer he postpones purchase. Consumers worldwide are interested in that as long as possible to postpone the purchase, and save money over time, only increasing its value. In this situation, companies lose capital, making fewer sales. Lower corporate earnings in the resulting folding corporate programs. The most expensive first article - a candidate for contraction - staff costs. Those. unemployment begins to rise. And then everything is clear.
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Cryptotalk.org
May 07, 2016, 04:00:18 PM
#24
Forget about inflation/deflation. If you want to start with economics the first question is: Who must control the quantity of money? An unelected banker or an elected government?

No government or bankers should control the money. The money should be created and used like the gold. But gold is not very dividable.
sr. member
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April 26, 2016, 07:25:28 AM
#23
Forget about inflation/deflation. If you want to start with economics the first question is: Who must control the quantity of money? An unelected banker or an elected government?

Lol you have a suited login xD

ANyway it has nothing to do with inflation and deflation.
And to put it another way: deflation is great for a good economy, but is terrible for a shitty economy. As our economy is shitty as hell we can't affor any kind of deflation. Deflation means debt is more important and you might have heard about our skyrocketting debt xD
newbie
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April 25, 2016, 01:40:26 PM
#22
Forget about inflation/deflation. If you want to start with economics the first question is: Who must control the quantity of money? An unelected banker or an elected government?
tyz
legendary
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April 25, 2016, 01:38:38 PM
#21
For everyone who wants to read a little more about the causes and effects of deflation in a world of debt, I recommend to read this article on Investopedia.
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/030915/why-deflation-bad-economy.asp
legendary
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April 25, 2016, 01:29:47 PM
#20
Short answer: Deflation is the enemy of debt. It appreciates debt. Inflation, however, devalues debt. And because the world (especially countries) is full of debt, deflation is called bad.
Thank you for that really short and accurate answer. After reading this it immediately reminded me of all the country's debt in the world bank. I mean, since every country (correct me if I'm wrong) has a debt in world bank, it means that deflation is bad.
legendary
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April 24, 2016, 09:07:05 PM
#19
Short answer: Deflation is the enemy of debt. It appreciates debt. Inflation, however, devalues debt. And because the world (especially countries) is full of debt, deflation is called bad.

Great answer... but this is the reason why people keep on borrowing money and get deeper in debt- hoping that inflation will eventually save them! However, they should also look at the interest that is being charged...
hero member
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April 24, 2016, 03:14:08 PM
#18
Deflation is seen as a good thing in some circles and not always the enemy, who said that things must always rise anyway... ?
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April 24, 2016, 02:32:34 PM
#17
As far as i am aware money is debt, for every $ you have in your pocket basically someone else is in debt for it.  If the money supply deflates then there is less money around for those in debt to pay it off, which in turn causes arrears and bankruptcies which causes people to hoard money etc etc etc.  Its basically why we must live in an economy that is always growing, because there is never enough money to pay back the banks.  Undecided

There are 2 references to deflation - monetary deflation and price deflation. Monetary deflation refers to the money supply decreasing, where as price deflation refers to decrease in prices. Decrease in prices over sustained periods is what worries economists.

The computer price has deflated for long term. In 1999, a PC costs around $3000. Now it is only $500 and more powerful.
legendary
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March 05, 2016, 12:09:10 PM
#16
As far as i am aware money is debt, for every $ you have in your pocket basically someone else is in debt for it.  If the money supply deflates then there is less money around for those in debt to pay it off, which in turn causes arrears and bankruptcies which causes people to hoard money etc etc etc.  Its basically why we must live in an economy that is always growing, because there is never enough money to pay back the banks.  Undecided

There are 2 references to deflation - monetary deflation and price deflation. Monetary deflation refers to the money supply decreasing, where as price deflation refers to decrease in prices. Decrease in prices over sustained periods is what worries economists.
Pab
legendary
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March 04, 2016, 09:26:22 PM
#15
Last inflation data from Eurozone Energy prices decreased by 7% becouse of oil but food prices increased by
1% sevices prices inrceased by 0.7%
To produce food energy is needed services also use energy
So there s deflation or not
Whatever Draghi will increase QE and will be more negatives  rates
Practically Euro will be worthless
hero member
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March 04, 2016, 05:33:42 PM
#14
As far as i am aware money is debt, for every $ you have in your pocket basically someone else is in debt for it.  If the money supply deflates then there is less money around for those in debt to pay it off, which in turn causes arrears and bankruptcies which causes people to hoard money etc etc etc.  Its basically why we must live in an economy that is always growing, because there is never enough money to pay back the banks.  Undecided
tyz
legendary
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March 04, 2016, 03:16:46 PM
#13
Yeap, then they decided to do massive quantitative easing to combat deflation. It has been called Abenomics named after the prime minister Shinzō Abe who started the massive QE program.
But it seems to fail. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/02/12/bank-of-japan-loses-control-as-qe-hits-the-limits/

Can anyone tell me about a fiat currency that had a a deflation in the last few years ? As I believe that the value of fiat money is declining a year after year because it is not scarcy as central banks print it without being questioned
Japan had deflation for a while. They have problems restarting their economy partially due to this (but they also have a lot of other problems including demographics).
hero member
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March 04, 2016, 03:05:07 PM
#12
Can anyone tell me about a fiat currency that had a a deflation in the last few years ? As I believe that the value of fiat money is declining a year after year because it is not scarcy as central banks print it without being questioned
Japan had deflation for a while. They have problems restarting their economy partially due to this (but they also have a lot of other problems including demographics).
legendary
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March 04, 2016, 02:58:55 PM
#11
maybe the powers at the top are concerned about that $18 trillion debt hanging over their heads.

Deflation = debt harder to service.

Inflation = debt shrinks
sr. member
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Young but I'm not that bold
March 04, 2016, 02:53:04 PM
#10
Can anyone tell me about a fiat currency that had a a deflation in the last few years ? As I believe that the value of fiat money is declining a year after year because it is not scarcy as central banks print it without being questioned
hero member
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March 04, 2016, 02:37:43 PM
#9
Short answer: Deflation is the enemy of debt. It appreciates debt. Inflation, however, devalues debt. And because the world (especially countries) is full of debt, deflation is called bad.

Word.

It's why the best solution for our Western countries right now would be something like 3 years of 100% inflation.
Of course that would be harsh, but after that we wouldn't have any debt left Grin
And they would not be able to borrow money for the next few decades... Which could be a problem since they are used to get easily loans...
Everything has consequences.
legendary
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March 04, 2016, 11:48:06 AM
#8
The big fear of deflation is that people will prefer holding on to cash, rather than spending it.
This will result in the overall economy contracting.
You can think of it as the opposite of quantitative easing.  Smiley
sr. member
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March 03, 2016, 08:17:39 AM
#7
Short answer: Deflation is the enemy of debt. It appreciates debt. Inflation, however, devalues debt. And because the world (especially countries) is full of debt, deflation is called bad.

Spot on! Besides, inflation will make the rich richer and the poor poorer... the greed greedier!

Both Deflation and inflation have pros and cons.
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