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October 31, 2024, 09:34:04 AM
#29
Ordinals, Runes

These were able to pay high fees because their pump-and-dump markets had high profits. The suckers have mostly left those markets. But Runes moved from Ordinals to OP_RETURN TXOs a few months ago. They're occupying about 60% of each block, as thousands of small transactions, not large inscriptions. They're the reason that rates are 2-4S/vb instead of 1S/vb. Counting Ordinals isn't useful for monitoring these transactions. The fee surge mentioned in the top post lasted about 10 blocks, not a doom and gloom event

A quick look at one of the blocks shows a lot of RBF fee-boosting. We can hope that the Rune OP_RETURN transactions were automatically paying RBF fees of 400-700S/vb in these blocks, wiping out their meager pump-and-dump profits
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October 31, 2024, 08:22:55 AM
#28
This won't last but it will happen again and even more in the future, and this is the problem with bitcoin that we really need a solution for, not denial and comforting ourselves that it will soon go away. Bull season hasn't even peaked yet and what guarantees that spammers like BRC or Rune won't attack us again? Not to mention, in the more distant future, what will happen to transaction fees if bitcoin is legalized globally and widely used on a daily basis?
This is one of the reasons why I think bitcoin will never be able to become a popular currency, payment method, bitcoin is not absolutely perfect as we think, it's just that many people don't want to accept that.

I wasn't expecting the high transaction fees to happen this period, not even for a moment. I was expecting it in December for some reason. During that time, some folks would want to sell some portion of the portfolio because of the end-of-year events. They would love to buy a house, get a new car, go on vacation, and family treats, and enjoy the Christmas holidays. Even though all these things are not necessary for someone who wants a 5 to 10-year period investment they can't control themselves. For two years now there has always been a high transaction fee in December and this year we might still expect the same thing.
legendary
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October 31, 2024, 07:23:50 AM
#27
I’ve mentioned this before, thinking the fee would stay low during the bull run, but I was wrong... so what now?

Nothing! As a common user, we will keep on highlighting these high transaction fees and no one would care. If anyone would have cared about it, we would have found a solution by now.

The only solution here is to move to LN. But that is an offchain solution. I hope Bitcoin devs sleep well while we continue to face issues. This is ridiculous!
hero member
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October 31, 2024, 07:15:25 AM
#26

I saw the time of this post, and went to check the mempool, the fees are lower now, so the spike in fees was temporary and something that we have seen often. There can be good if the fees go high but not for so long, some people will not be able to spend the bitcoins that they should be keeping for the bull run.

I don't panic over withdrawal fees anymore; I know spikes are only temporary.

Yes, the last time a check, (before posting this), it's like 2-3 sat/vB, so yeah, most likely it was just a spike and only temporary. Unlike before when there was some entity really trying to hurt or deliberately increasing the size of the fees with their Runes and Brc-20 tokens.

But as we have also said that time, it will not that last long, even if they have big money to do that. Sooner or later there will be no incentives to them and so almost everyone is right about it. And just like what the OP posted, nothing is forever in this market, sooner or later the fees are going back to control.
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October 31, 2024, 06:05:40 AM
#25
Yeah, or to switch to something that wouldn't spike that much, I hear about Monero all the time, but I also would like to see LTC in a brighter spotlight..
This will be like telling someone to sell his gold to buy silver. Do you not know that people will have preferences? As for me I prefer to have bitcoin instead of monero or litecoin but I do not like the mempool to be congested. But bitcoin mempool is still very not congested at all. The congestion lasted not more than an hour and got back to normal. Bitcoin transaction fee is still very cheap as of now.

Nothing wrong with using BTC if you are okay with fees spiking sometimes.
If a person is not - he will find alternatives. That's all.
sr. member
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October 31, 2024, 05:51:08 AM
#24
This is one of the reasons why I think bitcoin will never be able to become a popular currency, payment method, bitcoin is not absolutely perfect as we think, it's just that many people don't want to accept that.

That wasn't the discussion of the post I quoted. The discussion was that the network fees have gone back to normal.
On this forum and elsewhere, I have often complained about high network fees. I have talked about how high network fees can be an issue for bitcoin adoption. I don't think there's any logical person that says bitcoin is perfect.
I have always maintained that Bitcoin was supposed to be cheaper and faster than other payment methods. However, people won't use Bitcoin as a payment method if it's more expensive or takes longer than other methods. So yeah, I agree that we need a solution to that because it will happen again in the future.
legendary
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October 31, 2024, 03:59:27 AM
#23
Yeah, or to switch to something that wouldn't spike that much, I hear about Monero all the time, but I also would like to see LTC in a brighter spotlight..
This will be like telling someone to sell his gold to buy silver. Do you not know that people will have preferences? As for me I prefer to have bitcoin instead of monero or litecoin but I do not like the mempool to be congested. But bitcoin mempool is still very not congested at all. The congestion lasted not more than an hour and got back to normal. Bitcoin transaction fee is still very cheap as of now.
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October 31, 2024, 03:43:54 AM
#22
A few hours later and I see you only need 2 satoshi per vbyte to get confirmed in next block. You know if you want to complain about high fees at least wait for it to be all day big fees or you're just crying wolf Smiley

I mean, I've heard it all before long ago.

What do you prefer. Owning a shitcoin worth $5 and fees equals to a few cents?

Or owning BTC worth 70k and paying fees of 10 cents? Because that's what it costs now.

Both can spike a bit, but, yeah - it's a price to pay for how things are currently.
Of course, it's better to have BTC, even with spikes from time to time like that.
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October 31, 2024, 03:39:09 AM
#21
The high fees don't feel normal for any of us, and, just like in recent months, we're seeing a temporary surge over a few days. The good news is, this time it only took a few hours before things went back to normal. So, when I see this kind of situation, I’m not too worried because I’m confident the fees will drop again soon.

But this trend definitely has an impact, especially if we adopt Bitcoin as a payment method. Let’s face it—no one’s willing to pay fees that high. This is why most people will continue to prefer fiat money for all their transactions instead of Bitcoin.

Yeah, or to switch to something that wouldn't spike that much, I hear about Monero all the time, but I also would like to see LTC in a brighter spotlight..
legendary
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October 31, 2024, 03:36:50 AM
#20
It won't last too long and except what happened in 2023 with many months of expensive fees, in other waves from Ordinals, Runes, Bitcoin mempools did not stay at too expensive range for several months.

And it didn't last long at all. It has even gone lower than the 5sat/vb
This happened in the past week and it took only about a day to go back to normal. If not for this post I wouldn't have noticed that transaction fees were so high yesterday.
I don't think the bull run is a reason for high fees. Normal bitcoin transactions, no matter how many they are per minute, will mostly not lead to congestion and ridiculously high network fees, but ordinals and runes that are spammed every second are the major causes of network congestion and high fees.


This won't last but it will happen again and even more in the future, and this is the problem with bitcoin that we really need a solution for, not denial and comforting ourselves that it will soon go away. Bull season hasn't even peaked yet and what guarantees that spammers like BRC or Rune won't attack us again? Not to mention, in the more distant future, what will happen to transaction fees if bitcoin is legalized globally and widely used on a daily basis?
This is one of the reasons why I think bitcoin will never be able to become a popular currency, payment method, bitcoin is not absolutely perfect as we think, it's just that many people don't want to accept that.
legendary
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October 31, 2024, 03:26:28 AM
#19
The high fees don't feel normal for any of us, and, just like in recent months, we're seeing a temporary surge over a few days. The good news is, this time it only took a few hours before things went back to normal. So, when I see this kind of situation, I’m not too worried because I’m confident the fees will drop again soon.

But this trend definitely has an impact, especially if we adopt Bitcoin as a payment method. Let’s face it—no one’s willing to pay fees that high. This is why most people will continue to prefer fiat money for all their transactions instead of Bitcoin.
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October 31, 2024, 03:22:24 AM
#18

I saw the time of this post, and went to check the mempool, the fees are lower now, so the spike in fees was temporary and something that we have seen often. There can be good if the fees go high but not for so long, some people will not be able to spend the bitcoins that they should be keeping for the bull run.

I don't panic over withdrawal fees anymore; I know spikes are only temporary.
legendary
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October 31, 2024, 03:17:11 AM
#17
A few hours later and I see you only need 2 satoshi per vbyte to get confirmed in next block. You know if you want to complain about high fees at least wait for it to be all day big fees or you're just crying wolf Smiley

I mean, I've heard it all before long ago.

What do you prefer. Owning a shitcoin worth $5 and fees equals to a few cents?

Or owning BTC worth 70k and paying fees of 10 cents? Because that's what it costs now.
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October 31, 2024, 02:44:14 AM
#16
I’ve mentioned this before, thinking the fee would stay low during the bull run, but I was wrong... so what now?

https://mempool.space/




These spikes usually result in high transaction fees when Bitcoin price changes significantly, pumping and dumping Bitcoin prices, and bull runs. This is because some traders are trading more bitcoins during this time as the exchange dollars are in and many traders are out.
 But I think trading following this Mempool saves a lot because now it is understood what kind of congestion is created, if there is more transaction pressure then the Mempool spikes but now the transaction pressure is very less at present due to which the fee is at a very low level.



It's like waves in the ocean, a storm from time to time, in my opinion.
The waters always fluctuate, always changing..
sr. member
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October 31, 2024, 02:22:57 AM
#15
I’ve mentioned this before, thinking the fee would stay low during the bull run, but I was wrong... so what now?

https://mempool.space/




These spikes usually result in high transaction fees when Bitcoin price changes significantly, pumping and dumping Bitcoin prices, and bull runs. This is because some traders are trading more bitcoins during this time as the exchange dollars are in and many traders are out.
 But I think trading following this Mempool saves a lot because now it is understood what kind of congestion is created, if there is more transaction pressure then the Mempool spikes but now the transaction pressure is very less at present due to which the fee is at a very low level.



legendary
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October 31, 2024, 02:13:33 AM
#14
In such cases, the No Priority fee is what will determine whether this spam is due to an increase in the number of transactions or whether it is due to people paying much higher fees for no reason for these high fees.

The fees are currently reasonable and the analysis mentioned by @Jawhead999 is correct.

in the next time you need to wait

You're wrong, the fees went high because people are minting runes which named MEMENTO•MORI, it was started from block 868168, before that the fee was just 5 sat/vbyte and now the fees is slowly back to normal.

Someone was expecting the fees would reach 1,000 and 2,500 sat/vB, not sure why people are obsessed with this token, I think it's related to Halloween.
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October 31, 2024, 02:12:37 AM
#13
This is very common everytime price of Bitcoin rally. Even before, this was already the problem.
Take a look this all-time chart of Bitcoin Average Transaction fee, as you can see there's a huge spike every bull run season. Even before, around 2017-2018 bull run, we already experiencing this.
What happened in two latest years 2023 and 2024 are different than what happened in 2017.

In 2017 and 2018 bull run, there were Bitcoin fork and Segwit activation, back in these days Segwit adoption was very limited, and Roger Ver Bitcoin Cash team did dust attacks to spam Bitcoin network too.

In 2023 and 2024, it's Ordinals and Runes BRC20 minting transactions are causes of expensive fees.

The Big Bitcoin Battle: What I Found Out About Bitcoin VS BCash
A history of Bitcoin transaction dust & spam storms

Those articles are pretty interesting, thanks for them!
I did read them not at full (will do it later, appreciated), but, can't we call the Runes the same as the dust storm that swallows up the space for basically no good?  Grin
legendary
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October 31, 2024, 02:00:40 AM
#12
This is very common everytime price of Bitcoin rally. Even before, this was already the problem.
Take a look this all-time chart of Bitcoin Average Transaction fee, as you can see there's a huge spike every bull run season. Even before, around 2017-2018 bull run, we already experiencing this.
What happened in two latest years 2023 and 2024 are different than what happened in 2017.

In 2017 and 2018 bull run, there were Bitcoin fork and Segwit activation, back in these days Segwit adoption was very limited, and Roger Ver Bitcoin Cash team did dust attacks to spam Bitcoin network too.

In 2023 and 2024, it's Ordinals and Runes BRC20 minting transactions are causes of expensive fees.

The Big Bitcoin Battle: What I Found Out About Bitcoin VS BCash
A history of Bitcoin transaction dust & spam storms
copper member
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October 31, 2024, 01:58:12 AM
#11
This is just a short term spike. Gladly no one follow it to continue the trend of high fees. The fee is already back to normal probably due to the low hype of that shit rune that trying to start a trend again.



Hopefully, it would stay that way  Grin
Some say it's because of the rally for BTC, some - because of the Runes (never got involved into 'em), but the fact remains.
legendary
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October 31, 2024, 01:56:49 AM
#10
I would very much like to dodge the high transaction fees this time around - before they come back - using the Lightning Network, but unfortunately, I can't seem to get anybody to send sats to my channels (which is the whole point of LN - you need to receive - send - receive - send so you don't have to keep doing many pointless Submarine Swaps).

I'm thinking of maybe setting up a digital store and conenct it to my BTCPayServer.
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