Topic: The Future of BTC Poker (Read 2525 times)
Playing online poker with bitcoin is a good thing, since we don't need to make poker face when we playing with each others. But, it spend longer time and its harder than playing in dice even blackjack. That's why people prefer to play in dice site instead of poker.
Let me talk from the other side 
We at Enterra, Inc. have been developing BTC poker network for about a year, it's now growing fast enough, and the number of playing increases, especially when skilled teams join us, like BetVIP. What stops new and old poker rooms from joining the network is that they don't physically own software, or server - just their website. We do all the technical maintenance and host the games, so all they can do is changing the room's skin, create or edit poker tables and tournaments, start promotions and market their room.
Poker clients' may look different but they are using all the same server platform to ensure that all games in the network are fair and all the partners are equal.
As the software and server owner we take a rake percentage from each partner room for maintenance, updates, etc.
We at Enterra, Inc. have been developing BTC poker network for about a year, it's now growing fast enough, and the number of playing increases, especially when skilled teams join us, like BetVIP. What stops new and old poker rooms from joining the network is that they don't physically own software, or server - just their website. We do all the technical maintenance and host the games, so all they can do is changing the room's skin, create or edit poker tables and tournaments, start promotions and market their room.
Poker clients' may look different but they are using all the same server platform to ensure that all games in the network are fair and all the partners are equal.
As the software and server owner we take a rake percentage from each partner room for maintenance, updates, etc.
Betvip is dead. What do you mean by this poker network? because I see only players from betvip that play before and no other site use that software and that many players there dont even want to play ring games. Beside betvip is there still a website that use your software ?
Let me talk from the other side
We at Enterra, Inc. have been developing BTC poker network for about a year, it's now growing fast enough, and the number of playing increases, especially when skilled teams join us, like BetVIP. What stops new and old poker rooms from joining the network is that they don't physically own software, or server - just their website. We do all the technical maintenance and host the games, so all they can do is changing the room's skin, create or edit poker tables and tournaments, start promotions and market their room.
Poker clients' may look different but they are using all the same server platform to ensure that all games in the network are fair and all the partners are equal.
As the software and server owner we take a rake percentage from each partner room for maintenance, updates, etc.
We at Enterra, Inc. have been developing BTC poker network for about a year, it's now growing fast enough, and the number of playing increases, especially when skilled teams join us, like BetVIP. What stops new and old poker rooms from joining the network is that they don't physically own software, or server - just their website. We do all the technical maintenance and host the games, so all they can do is changing the room's skin, create or edit poker tables and tournaments, start promotions and market their room.
Poker clients' may look different but they are using all the same server platform to ensure that all games in the network are fair and all the partners are equal.
As the software and server owner we take a rake percentage from each partner room for maintenance, updates, etc.
I like to play poker om bitspoker and pokershines.
Very good websites.On pokershibes you can buy with rakeback dogecoins.
Very good websites.On pokershibes you can buy with rakeback dogecoins.
I'm sorry but I think you are a bit off topic. Please cast your vote and leave your comments about poker rooms in this thread.
This one was just to see what the community thought about applying a similar model to the Ipoker network on BTC poker rooms.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recomended-poker-rooms-poll-version-1128785
Thank you.
I like to play poker om bitspoker and pokershines.
Very good websites.On pokershibes you can buy with rakeback dogecoins.
Very good websites.On pokershibes you can buy with rakeback dogecoins.
Most likely they do not want to deal with bitcoin or a skin would have been made already. Must be protecting what they have from all being taken out in a sweep the rug movement.
Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.
Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.
I'm sorry what are you saying?
I was not suggesting that Ipoker would "adopt" btc poker rooms. I don't even think that works that way. I was saying that betcoing.ag, swc, luckyflop, etc etc, and all those small btc poker rooms could create a common poker network like Ipoker, so all the few players they have would then become a "decent" number of players, and we would all win with that.
I suspect most of the players playing on betcoin.ag, swc, luckyflop etc.....etc.......are all the same group of players.
In other words, if you see 200 players on betcoin, 200 on swc, and 200 on luckyflop........dont be mistaken thinking there are 600 unique people playing btc poker. More likely its the same core group of 200 playing with an account on each site.
It's not entirely like that. For now I only have an account on betcoin.ag and swcpoker, and there is a big difference in both houses. I login on both and I can multitable from time to time on betcoin.ag, although in different blinds which is not the same thing (because of bankroll management and variance, like things can be good on all 3 micro stakes, and some bad luck on the mid stake table would ruin the session), and the max I can do if I'm lucky is to be in 4 tables at once, but I can't do that in swcpoker, it has much less players at the table.
I would play on both of them at the same time if I could since I can't get the desirable amount of tables in just one house but even like that I can't quite play the way I like, so I don't think that all the base players are the same.
Making all the sites on 1 network would be so much better for multi tabling. With all the sites operating slightly different it makes it a challenge to play multiple sites at the same time. End result is less games, less rake for sites also.
Most likely they do not want to deal with bitcoin or a skin would have been made already. Must be protecting what they have from all being taken out in a sweep the rug movement.
Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.
Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.
I'm sorry what are you saying?
I was not suggesting that Ipoker would "adopt" btc poker rooms. I don't even think that works that way. I was saying that betcoing.ag, swc, luckyflop, etc etc, and all those small btc poker rooms could create a common poker network like Ipoker, so all the few players they have would then become a "decent" number of players, and we would all win with that.
I suspect most of the players playing on betcoin.ag, swc, luckyflop etc.....etc.......are all the same group of players.
In other words, if you see 200 players on betcoin, 200 on swc, and 200 on luckyflop........dont be mistaken thinking there are 600 unique people playing btc poker. More likely its the same core group of 200 playing with an account on each site.
It's not entirely like that. For now I only have an account on betcoin.ag and swcpoker, and there is a big difference in both houses. I login on both and I can multitable from time to time on betcoin.ag, although in different blinds which is not the same thing (because of bankroll management and variance, like things can be good on all 3 micro stakes, and some bad luck on the mid stake table would ruin the session), and the max I can do if I'm lucky is to be in 4 tables at once, but I can't do that in swcpoker, it has much less players at the table.
I would play on both of them at the same time if I could since I can't get the desirable amount of tables in just one house but even like that I can't quite play the way I like, so I don't think that all the base players are the same.
Most likely they do not want to deal with bitcoin or a skin would have been made already. Must be protecting what they have from all being taken out in a sweep the rug movement.
Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.
Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.
I'm sorry what are you saying?
I was not suggesting that Ipoker would "adopt" btc poker rooms. I don't even think that works that way. I was saying that betcoing.ag, swc, luckyflop, etc etc, and all those small btc poker rooms could create a common poker network like Ipoker, so all the few players they have would then become a "decent" number of players, and we would all win with that.
I suspect most of the players playing on betcoin.ag, swc, luckyflop etc.....etc.......are all the same group of players.
In other words, if you see 200 players on betcoin, 200 on swc, and 200 on luckyflop........dont be mistaken thinking there are 600 unique people playing btc poker. More likely its the same core group of 200 playing with an account on each site.
Yeah no doubt this is true to a certain extent, decent players have to multi table to earn more. Its probably more a ratio like 50-60% though as each site will bring in its own players.
Most likely they do not want to deal with bitcoin or a skin would have been made already. Must be protecting what they have from all being taken out in a sweep the rug movement.
Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.
Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.
I'm sorry what are you saying?
I was not suggesting that Ipoker would "adopt" btc poker rooms. I don't even think that works that way. I was saying that betcoing.ag, swc, luckyflop, etc etc, and all those small btc poker rooms could create a common poker network like Ipoker, so all the few players they have would then become a "decent" number of players, and we would all win with that.
I suspect most of the players playing on betcoin.ag, swc, luckyflop etc.....etc.......are all the same group of players.
In other words, if you see 200 players on betcoin, 200 on swc, and 200 on luckyflop........dont be mistaken thinking there are 600 unique people playing btc poker. More likely its the same core group of 200 playing with an account on each site.
@nikona Maybe they received another letter from visa or mastercard saying they weren't making enough money out of it. Or it was all just a marketing move for them to get more attention. The change is only effective 10 September though.
That's true. But what I'm saying is all that hits small sites the worst. Why risk those changes and paying more for new clients and network when gains would probably be modest at best? Larger sites may have more reason to take those chances. But try talking directly to them. Think they all have threads in the forum. See what they have to say about it.
Yes the code would have to be rewritten, or a new service would have to be created (one that would offer the new network and the "skins"). If they afford to have one client and be in one network I see not problem to change that client and network for the new client (skin) and be on the new network (the shared one).
As for trust I can't answer it. I'm not providing a service, and if someone would offer something like this I could not speak for them either. Maybe it should be "easier" since now you could point out one company that was providing the network and the client, but trust can always be broken and scams can always happen anywhere, so I can't answer that.
As for trust I can't answer it. I'm not providing a service, and if someone would offer something like this I could not speak for them either. Maybe it should be "easier" since now you could point out one company that was providing the network and the client, but trust can always be broken and scams can always happen anywhere, so I can't answer that.
That's true. But what I'm saying is all that hits small sites the worst. Why risk those changes and paying more for new clients and network when gains would probably be modest at best? Larger sites may have more reason to take those chances. But try talking directly to them. Think they all have threads in the forum. See what they have to say about it.
I'm having trouble understanding your definition of small sites and larger sites. Would you consider betcoin.ag, swcPoker, nitrogensports, and lucky flop, small or large sites? Like I said I'm new in btc poker that's why I created a thread to get the opinion from the users in the forum, so I could know what were the best sites of btc poker.
You can see the thread here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recomended-poker-rooms-poll-version-1128785
Those were some of the most voted ones, so I started there. So my question to you is, are this large site or small sites?
For example: i don't like play at that website because they have customer service not give me treatment as well. It's worst casino for me
@nikona Maybe they received another letter from visa or mastercard saying they weren't making enough money out of it. Or it was all just a marketing move for them to get more attention. The change is only effective 10 September though.
That's true. But what I'm saying is all that hits small sites the worst. Why risk those changes and paying more for new clients and network when gains would probably be modest at best? Larger sites may have more reason to take those chances. But try talking directly to them. Think they all have threads in the forum. See what they have to say about it.
Yes the code would have to be rewritten, or a new service would have to be created (one that would offer the new network and the "skins"). If they afford to have one client and be in one network I see not problem to change that client and network for the new client (skin) and be on the new network (the shared one).
As for trust I can't answer it. I'm not providing a service, and if someone would offer something like this I could not speak for them either. Maybe it should be "easier" since now you could point out one company that was providing the network and the client, but trust can always be broken and scams can always happen anywhere, so I can't answer that.
As for trust I can't answer it. I'm not providing a service, and if someone would offer something like this I could not speak for them either. Maybe it should be "easier" since now you could point out one company that was providing the network and the client, but trust can always be broken and scams can always happen anywhere, so I can't answer that.
That's true. But what I'm saying is all that hits small sites the worst. Why risk those changes and paying more for new clients and network when gains would probably be modest at best? Larger sites may have more reason to take those chances. But try talking directly to them. Think they all have threads in the forum. See what they have to say about it.
I'm having trouble understanding your definition of small sites and larger sites. Would you consider betcoin.ag, swcPoker, nitrogensports, and lucky flop, small or large sites? Like I said I'm new in btc poker that's why I created a thread to get the opinion from the users in the forum, so I could know what were the best sites of btc poker.
You can see the thread here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recomended-poker-rooms-poll-version-1128785
Those were some of the most voted ones, so I started there. So my question to you is, are this large site or small sites?
@nikona Maybe they received another letter from visa or mastercard saying they weren't making enough money out of it. Or it was all just a marketing move for them to get more attention. The change is only effective 10 September though.
That's true. But what I'm saying is all that hits small sites the worst. Why risk those changes and paying more for new clients and network when gains would probably be modest at best? Larger sites may have more reason to take those chances. But try talking directly to them. Think they all have threads in the forum. See what they have to say about it.
Yes the code would have to be rewritten, or a new service would have to be created (one that would offer the new network and the "skins"). If they afford to have one client and be in one network I see not problem to change that client and network for the new client (skin) and be on the new network (the shared one).
As for trust I can't answer it. I'm not providing a service, and if someone would offer something like this I could not speak for them either. Maybe it should be "easier" since now you could point out one company that was providing the network and the client, but trust can always be broken and scams can always happen anywhere, so I can't answer that.
As for trust I can't answer it. I'm not providing a service, and if someone would offer something like this I could not speak for them either. Maybe it should be "easier" since now you could point out one company that was providing the network and the client, but trust can always be broken and scams can always happen anywhere, so I can't answer that.
That's true. But what I'm saying is all that hits small sites the worst. Why risk those changes and paying more for new clients and network when gains would probably be modest at best? Larger sites may have more reason to take those chances. But try talking directly to them. Think they all have threads in the forum. See what they have to say about it.
If/when Pokerstars accepts BTC deposits with low/zero fees it will be great for BTC.
Everytime you deposit there now you pay ~3% in fees.
Everytime you deposit there now you pay ~3% in fees.
That is not really the problem. Neteller already accepts btc, so you can deposit anywhere with btc. And there are already many poker rooms that accept btc deposits, some of them in the Ipoker network. They don't have tables, or let you have a balance in btc, but I don't think they will do it (actually if they do that would be for btc, but it would be the end for these small rooms lol). They would do it if they thought they were losing some clients to btc poker rooms, but they wont lose clients because you cant play poker for real in btc poker rooms because of the number of players.
So yes we can talk to people and try to make them experience btc poker rooms, but we can't get them to stay without the number of players they need to play the way they like. And that can only be achieved if the btc rooms unite in the same network (that was the main reason why Ipoker was created, because that was the only way to get players from pokerstars etc. It's really just a matter of copying a success story lol).
AFAIK Neteller is about to change the BTC deposit fee to 5%, if you deposit through Neteller on Pokerstars you lose another 3%, 8% for depositing? Hell no.
Also the daily limit is like $375 at this moment, some high stakes players need to deposit/withdraw thousands to hundreds of thousands.
About a year ago I read on twoplustwo that Pokerstars was testing stuff to add BTC deposits etc. Maybe with them being sold to a gambling corporation is the reason why they still not accept it.
Pokerstars is the biggest poker site with the biggest volume, biggest tournaments etc. Them accepting BTC would be huge.
Didn't know about that, I have been depositing a lot recently through neteller. Any reason for them to change the fees ? as they actually have no fees on their ends .
It doesnt happen until september when neteller will start raping people i think. Best thing would be pokerstars to take bitcoin direct then we can cut out neteller. It does suck though ive used and like neteller in the past.
If/when Pokerstars accepts BTC deposits with low/zero fees it will be great for BTC.
Everytime you deposit there now you pay ~3% in fees.
Everytime you deposit there now you pay ~3% in fees.
That is not really the problem. Neteller already accepts btc, so you can deposit anywhere with btc. And there are already many poker rooms that accept btc deposits, some of them in the Ipoker network. They don't have tables, or let you have a balance in btc, but I don't think they will do it (actually if they do that would be for btc, but it would be the end for these small rooms lol). They would do it if they thought they were losing some clients to btc poker rooms, but they wont lose clients because you cant play poker for real in btc poker rooms because of the number of players.
So yes we can talk to people and try to make them experience btc poker rooms, but we can't get them to stay without the number of players they need to play the way they like. And that can only be achieved if the btc rooms unite in the same network (that was the main reason why Ipoker was created, because that was the only way to get players from pokerstars etc. It's really just a matter of copying a success story lol).
AFAIK Neteller is about to change the BTC deposit fee to 5%, if you deposit through Neteller on Pokerstars you lose another 3%, 8% for depositing? Hell no.
Also the daily limit is like $375 at this moment, some high stakes players need to deposit/withdraw thousands to hundreds of thousands.
About a year ago I read on twoplustwo that Pokerstars was testing stuff to add BTC deposits etc. Maybe with them being sold to a gambling corporation is the reason why they still not accept it.
Pokerstars is the biggest poker site with the biggest volume, biggest tournaments etc. Them accepting BTC would be huge.
Didn't know about that, I have been depositing a lot recently through neteller. Any reason for them to change the fees ? as they actually have no fees on their ends .
If/when Pokerstars accepts BTC deposits with low/zero fees it will be great for BTC.
Everytime you deposit there now you pay ~3% in fees.
Everytime you deposit there now you pay ~3% in fees.
That is not really the problem. Neteller already accepts btc, so you can deposit anywhere with btc. And there are already many poker rooms that accept btc deposits, some of them in the Ipoker network. They don't have tables, or let you have a balance in btc, but I don't think they will do it (actually if they do that would be for btc, but it would be the end for these small rooms lol). They would do it if they thought they were losing some clients to btc poker rooms, but they wont lose clients because you cant play poker for real in btc poker rooms because of the number of players.
So yes we can talk to people and try to make them experience btc poker rooms, but we can't get them to stay without the number of players they need to play the way they like. And that can only be achieved if the btc rooms unite in the same network (that was the main reason why Ipoker was created, because that was the only way to get players from pokerstars etc. It's really just a matter of copying a success story lol).
AFAIK Neteller is about to change the BTC deposit fee to 5%, if you deposit through Neteller on Pokerstars you lose another 3%, 8% for depositing? Hell no.
Also the daily limit is like $375 at this moment, some high stakes players need to deposit/withdraw thousands to hundreds of thousands.
About a year ago I read on twoplustwo that Pokerstars was testing stuff to add BTC deposits etc. Maybe with them being sold to a gambling corporation is the reason why they still not accept it.
Pokerstars is the biggest poker site with the biggest volume, biggest tournaments etc. Them accepting BTC would be huge.
Yes it would I don't argue with that, and I hope they do it eventually. Actually if that ever happens it will probably be "the end" of all the small btc poker rooms. They do let us play in btc, but I don't think that would be enough.
If/when Pokerstars accepts BTC deposits with low/zero fees it will be great for BTC.
Everytime you deposit there now you pay ~3% in fees.
Everytime you deposit there now you pay ~3% in fees.
That is not really the problem. Neteller already accepts btc, so you can deposit anywhere with btc. And there are already many poker rooms that accept btc deposits, some of them in the Ipoker network. They don't have tables, or let you have a balance in btc, but I don't think they will do it (actually if they do that would be for btc, but it would be the end for these small rooms lol). They would do it if they thought they were losing some clients to btc poker rooms, but they wont lose clients because you cant play poker for real in btc poker rooms because of the number of players.
So yes we can talk to people and try to make them experience btc poker rooms, but we can't get them to stay without the number of players they need to play the way they like. And that can only be achieved if the btc rooms unite in the same network (that was the main reason why Ipoker was created, because that was the only way to get players from pokerstars etc. It's really just a matter of copying a success story lol).
AFAIK Neteller is about to change the BTC deposit fee to 5%, if you deposit through Neteller on Pokerstars you lose another 3%, 8% for depositing? Hell no.
Also the daily limit is like $375 at this moment, some high stakes players need to deposit/withdraw thousands to hundreds of thousands.
About a year ago I read on twoplustwo that Pokerstars was testing stuff to add BTC deposits etc. Maybe with them being sold to a gambling corporation is the reason why they still not accept it.
Pokerstars is the biggest poker site with the biggest volume, biggest tournaments etc. Them accepting BTC would be huge.
Don't nominate iPoker! it's one of the worst graphic I ever saw, should be better a qualified one to play on?
lol I really don't care much about the skin and the graphics, as long as it does not hurt my eyes and I can multitable for at least 1h
Anyway the client graphics is really not the issue, it can be better looking than ipoker skins lol
Don't nominate iPoker! it's one of the worst graphic I ever saw, should be better a qualified one to play on?
Hello, I really enjoy playing poker and after seeing so many rooms "ban" players from some countries etc I decided to try btc poker, the problem is that there aren't many players out there yet. I'm playing on betcoing.ag for now, and it's good compared to the others I tried, but I still can't play in a lot of tables at the same time, and to do that I have to enter in tables with different blinds which can "ruin" a session, and even like that, depending on the time of the day, sometimes I can't play even at 3 tables on the same time.
So my question is:
Why don't btc poker rooms create a poker network like Ipoker?
They would still have their clients and separate accounts etc, but players would all play on the same network. That would really help the btc poker community and it would be good for casinos to, because more players would probably make the change, like I'm trying to do.
I mean if that works for big poker rooms, why can't work for btc poker? I really don't get it.
So my question is:
Why don't btc poker rooms create a poker network like Ipoker?
They would still have their clients and separate accounts etc, but players would all play on the same network. That would really help the btc poker community and it would be good for casinos to, because more players would probably make the change, like I'm trying to do.
I mean if that works for big poker rooms, why can't work for btc poker? I really don't get it.
Creating a network like ipoker could be a great idea, someone will have to be the master at the top though who decides who gets in and who doesn't. It will create a monopoly in BTC poker for the time being. It would be nice if the other sites like stars just started accepting BTC its probably only due to USA market they dont.
Why do you say it would create a monopoly? Like I said someone would be providing a common client and a network. But you can't call that a monopoly because anyone can be outside the common network if they don't want to join. Of course the only reason for that would be that you already have a big network and see no point in being in a shared one. You don't see pokerstars in Ipoker and you will never see of course because they are already huge.
As for monopoly in the rooms there would not be such thing as well, because like I said there is a common network and a common client, but the rooms are still independent and have different clients thus, are competing with themselves.
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