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Quote from: Eternad on July 07, 2023, 06:53:35 AM

There’s still a lot of lands available on other country while highly urbanized country can always import agricultural goods from other country that focus on this as main source of product. Vertical is indeed very popular on highly urbanized area but most of them is just using the goods for their own consumption and not for market distribution.

It's easier said than done. Importation of agricultural goods will increase the inflation of food items which is at detriment of the poor and average citizens. The purpose of farming is to have something to feed on after harvesting and I don't think there's problem if people are able to farm for self consumption. Everyone should engage in mini farming to feed themselves.

Quote from: Agbe on July 07, 2023, 07:08:06 AM

There are two places to live in anywhere in the world. Either you live in Rural area or you live in Urban area. Now when someone was living in the rural area and moved down to Urban settlement then the place he or she was living at the rural area became vacancy, so occupying one place gives room to open another place. So that of the rural settlement space can be use has farming.

How convenient and effective do you think this can be? Considering the cost of transportation, the danger associated with transportation and the cost of farm maintenance from the clearing to harvesting. At the end of the day, you'll overspend on the farm with less harvest.

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Quote from: flyingcarpet on July 09, 2023, 09:29:53 AM

Vertical farming can be preferred, but first of all, farmers who do normal farming should be helped. The reason why the farmers no longer do agriculture is that it forces them economically. Agriculture should always be supported by the state. If a farmer sells his product with very little profit, he will not be able to produce that product again. Because the merchant earns more than the farmer. The country I live in has had this problem for years. If the state does not support seeds, drugs, and gasoline, agriculture will end in a short time.

In order for the products to be consistent, the farmers need to be supported financially, not the vertical or normal farming separation. You can't expect yields from gardens that do not use pesticides.

When the state ignores farmers, this is a fairly common problem in many countries. They left people not only without support, but also tearing three skins from them. Is this allowed?
In my country, the price of fuel is constantly rising. Is there any chance, under such a condition, of leaving prices for agricultural products without an increase? A rhetorical question. So far they have not been able to resolve this issue. It is sad to watch how vast areas of the earth are tritely idle.

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The thing is.... urban farming is too small to replace commercial farming. Yes, people can have green houses on the roof top of buildings, but it is only for subsistence farming. (You find this in rural Africa and some third world countries, where they only produce enough food for their own family and not for the rest of the population)

I think the future of farming is in the cultivation of food that needs less space, but with the same output. We now have farmers that are farming with insects as an alternative protein to meat (Cows/Sheep..) It takes a lot less space ...but it yields the same protein as meat.

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Obviously there continues to be urbanization, establishment of new settlements and development of new towns and cities but still, it’s not well enough to put the future of agriculture at an alarming state.
Food is not a do without and over time, researchers through genetic engineering continue to engineer breeds that would produce food all year round and in great quantity too.

This is out of an understating of the needing population but then, land to cultivate it is hardly the problem as it is, just willing hands to venture into the field.

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Real estate is taking the order of the day and been used for commercialization and business purposes but still, there is enough land enough to produce food for all in a country if there is enough equipment and machinery also needed for employee and employer labor

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Quote from: ringgo96 on July 09, 2023, 08:16:35 AM

Currently all agricultural fields are competing to be able to get maximum results, then vertical farming is their choice but for some farmers still use the old way so that their yields cannot reach the maximum number, so now is the time for farmers to follow vertical farming because there are so many positive things they can get for example their products can be consistent and greater yields, So it's time to make a change for farmers.

In third-world countries, lots of farmers are not yet exposed to modern farming mechanics like vertical and aeroponic farming systems. They are still believing in the old pattern of farming, which is usually on land, and the reason for that is still because they also have a lot of farm lands that are even wasting away without being cultivated, so even if you try to talk about vertical farming, they will also tell you that they have lands to still cultivate. The major part of the world where this vertical farming system is mostly practised is in the western world, where every land is mostly occupied with houses (lot of building) and roads and there is not much free land for cultivation.

But truth be told, there is usually more food production in vertical farming than in land cultivation.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on July 07, 2023, 06:42:22 AM

Land is becoming lesser and not very available for agriculture as before, There is a lot of Urbanization going on and many land space are being built on to carter for the increasing number of persons. There will be lesser organic foods available for consumption as the worlds population increase and farming space reduces. ...//...:::

I'm not going to translate it, what I think of that article, and please, you don't take it the wrong way but also part of your comment regarding and specifically that the space for cultivation is running out, it is "paja".

There are comments, news, (at the time) where it was said or it is even said that the population of the planet is ending up without space to live, blah, blah, blah, I am writing based on mental memories, so GS, maybe I'll go back and leave here the reference of what I mentioned, but what is relevant here is that saying that there is no land for cultivation, really is "paja".

Perhaps what is relevant is to say that water is a very serious problem for the existing crops and that there are many lands with access to a lot of water that are not used, but again do not say that there is no land, it still has a little less "paja", when you saying that vertical cultivation is the solution.

The manpower needed to do the job is another serious problem and in certain countries, a county like Miami is experiencing it, which implemented a harsh law to prevent hiring immigrants, when they are the ones doing the hard work of harvesting the crops. In Spain, for example, the workforce dedicated to this work is foreign and that is a serious problem for the crop, in short, you don't have to "eat" so much "paja" and worst of all, start joining matrixes who certainly fall for fake news.

^straw=paja

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Today, urban land is expensive, scarce, often polluted, and hardly cultivable. Not to mention, even if we shorten the supply chain as much as possible, agricultural products are very perishable. More especially, when we can see that the short-term food shortages during the recent COVID-19 lockdown were most clearly felt among the working class, who make up the vast majority of society, it shows that the sustainable agriculture of the future will not be organic, local, or "natural," but industrialized, scalable, and serving as many people as possible.

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Quote from: ringgo96 on July 09, 2023, 08:16:35 AM

Currently all agricultural fields are competing to be able to get maximum results, then vertical farming is their choice but for some farmers still use the old way so that their yields cannot reach the maximum number, so now is the time for farmers to follow vertical farming because there are so many positive things they can get for example their products can be consistent and greater yields, So it's time to make a change for farmers.

Only old farmers who are unfamiliar with technology still use traditional farming methods without relying on new methods for their agriculture, so they also have to be satisfied with the results that are not optimal. Meanwhile, farmers who are a little smart in growing crops, of course, will always look for alternatives that make it easier for them to get satisfying yields because sometimes methods or efforts to make maximum yields also have to apply methods that are not so easy for farmers to do.

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Quote from: ringgo96 on July 09, 2023, 08:16:35 AM

Currently all agricultural fields are competing to be able to get maximum results, then vertical farming is their choice but for some farmers still use the old way so that their yields cannot reach the maximum number, so now is the time for farmers to follow vertical farming because there are so many positive things they can get for example their products can be consistent and greater yields, So it's time to make a change for farmers.

Vertical farming can be preferred, but first of all, farmers who do normal farming should be helped. The reason why the farmers no longer do agriculture is that it forces them economically. Agriculture should always be supported by the state. If a farmer sells his product with very little profit, he will not be able to produce that product again. Because the merchant earns more than the farmer. The country I live in has had this problem for years. If the state does not support seeds, drugs, and gasoline, agriculture will end in a short time.

In order for the products to be consistent, the farmers need to be supported financially, not the vertical or normal farming separation. You can't expect yields from gardens that do not use pesticides.

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Quote from: ringgo96 on July 09, 2023, 08:16:35 AM

Currently all agricultural fields are competing to be able to get maximum results, then vertical farming is their choice but for some farmers still use the old way so that their yields cannot reach the maximum number, so now is the time for farmers to follow vertical farming because there are so many positive things they can get for example their products can be consistent and greater yields, So it's time to make a change for farmers.

This problem is only on a small scale compared to farming as a whole, I understand why this idea makes sense now that the story of farmland is shrinking and researchers Everyone wants to find new ways of spreading, just like some yielding plants produce yields. I remember there was some research in Africa in the past on banana varieties that can bring a lot of starch to help the African people to cultivate and are suitable in quantity and well adapted to the right climate.
article about this resource or you can find it on many other places will also mention: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60074407

So the story of global food is always recognized and appreciated as very important in human life, there are things that are changing more and more making food scarce, but the solutions are still being studied. research because this is a leading issue in society.

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Quote from: Eternad on July 07, 2023, 06:53:35 AM

There’s still a lot of lands available on other country while highly urbanized country can always import agricultural goods from other country that focus on this as main source of product. Vertical is indeed very popular on highly urbanized area but most of them is just using the goods for their own consumption and not for market distribution.

Maybe in the future this will become popular and a must but right now there’s still a lot of country especially 3rd world country that farming crops for export purposes. Rich country can pay for the export fees since they are getting huge income from taxes of people job on highly urbanized areas. It’s a give and take.

If it includes a broader, it is certainly not good if you meet the needs of your country by only holding on to other countries, utamanaya the third state, it is a narrow thought in my opinion, because if you are too dependent on other countries in this case, your country will is under the influence of other countries and it is not good for the sovereignty of the state because it can be disturbed, over time the exact price of organic food commodities will increase because the narrower production land and demand more, the owner of the goods will ask for more payment, and your country will be very beaten if a significant price increase is implemented.

Like European Union that relies on nickel from Indonesia, then Indonesia is louder to manage it itself, and carry out an export stop policy that makes nickel prices rise, and the European Union can only report and report to the WTO.

This is the price being paid of the countries that focus on urbanization/modernization over agriculture. Also it’s ok for them to rely on 3rd world country goods because they are getting it on cheap price while they can produce this raw products to a valuable item in the market that gives them more profit than the raw goods supplier.

I think problem will only arise if 3rd world country decided to stop their supply but this will not gonna happened since it’s their main source of income.

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Currently all agricultural fields are competing to be able to get maximum results, then vertical farming is their choice but for some farmers still use the old way so that their yields cannot reach the maximum number, so now is the time for farmers to follow vertical farming because there are so many positive things they can get for example their products can be consistent and greater yields, So it's time to make a change for farmers.

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Multi-level greenhouses are no longer a novelty; they are created to optimize the working area and the convenience of their maintenance by workers. I would not say that there is less land, perhaps there are problems with this in small countries, but so far I have not come across the fact that farmers complain that they do not have enough land.

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i would be interested to have my own garden of cabbage or potatoes so i can survive even when the world inflation skyrockets.

It's not bad and it's actually desirable to grow your own fruits and vegetables, but unless you have a very large garden you will still depend at least partially on others. Also growing something of your own is not as easy as some think, because it takes a lot of time, knowledge, patience and luck.

In addition, if you want to grow in a natural way without all the poisons they use, it will be even more difficult for you considering all the diseases and pests that exist in addition to the fact that the climate has changed significantly and you have to count that at any moment you can lose everything if there is a storm with the addition of hail, or maybe a flash flood.

Of course, this does not mean that you should not try, because tomatoes grown without any chemicals will taste much better than any produced in an industrial way - noting that you also need quality seeds of old varieties that have not been modified in any way.

I agree with you. Many people today have lost touch with nature and are not even aware of how good it feels to grow something with your own hands. It can be such a powerful and rewarding experience. Also, growing your own food can create a greater sense of self-sufficiency and promote sustainable living. All I will say is that anyone who has an opportunity to grow something on their own should definitely try. It's not as complicated as it might seem at first glance. After all, people have been doing it for thousands of years. Wink

As long as we aren't planting lots of crops, we can really easily plant them, like eggplant, carrots, ginger, and any kind of leafy vegetable that is easy to plant and grow. Others even just put it in a pot (though it is small, you can still grow it) as they don't have land to plant on; they just put it where the sunlight is, and they also water it on a daily basis. Though sometimes you can get lazy on planting it, when the time comes that you want to do it, do it as it doesn't really require a lot of care needed for it to grow; just leave it there.

But the main issue with this is that in regarding peoples laziness when it comes to farming.Some would really be finding this to be a tedious task but its actually really that beneficial if you are really that trying to save out.
Its true that there are really plants which are really that easy to grow even if you do just simply plant it on a pot and providing some sunlight or even could really be done on your own home or even on a small backyard.
In overall people wont really be that caring about such thing because there's still that supply that they could really be able to buy as long they do have the money which they would really be just simply buy it out completely without hassling themselves on planting some plants on their own home and would really be watering it out for themselves and let it grow or they are the ones who would really be farming it out.
They would be mainly thinking that let it leave it into the farmers.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 08, 2023, 08:15:39 AM

Vertical housing foir the sheeple, and a return to efficient natural farming methods would be better. Getting rid of inefficient wind and solar farms, and replacing them with farmland would be another healthy option. Oil and coal increased the greening of the world. So called green policies are turning the world grey.

Technology wants to make everything easy. Most farmers don't want to put in the required labor to raise healthy crops. Rather they prefer to rely on these scientifically modified seeds and poisonous chemicals to raise fast-growing and bountiful yields. Electric cars and other so-called green energy sources are not what we think they are. It will be very difficult to return to those good old days where farmers are more concerned about the health of their customers than profit making.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on July 07, 2023, 06:42:22 AM

What do you think about Vertical Farming, do you agree that it is the future of farming really?

The authors of this article are people who have not traveled the world. Did you wrote this article sitting at their desks with a coffee on their table while searching for materials on the internet relating to vertical farming. I will state categorically that there are more unused or vacant land for farming there are for those that have been occupied by humans.

We should be concerned because some countries don't have much land like others. So they have to effectively maximize what they have and vertical farming can be an option for them. Large land mass is not an issue but to get fertile lands might be a problem. Global warming which is causing flood and desertification is also a rising global problem. There is a need to devise healthy solutions to the food crisis in some countries.

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i would be interested to have my own garden of cabbage or potatoes so i can survive even when the world inflation skyrockets.

It's not bad and it's actually desirable to grow your own fruits and vegetables, but unless you have a very large garden you will still depend at least partially on others. Also growing something of your own is not as easy as some think, because it takes a lot of time, knowledge, patience and luck.

In addition, if you want to grow in a natural way without all the poisons they use, it will be even more difficult for you considering all the diseases and pests that exist in addition to the fact that the climate has changed significantly and you have to count that at any moment you can lose everything if there is a storm with the addition of hail, or maybe a flash flood.

Of course, this does not mean that you should not try, because tomatoes grown without any chemicals will taste much better than any produced in an industrial way - noting that you also need quality seeds of old varieties that have not been modified in any way.

I agree with you. Many people today have lost touch with nature and are not even aware of how good it feels to grow something with your own hands. It can be such a powerful and rewarding experience. Also, growing your own food can create a greater sense of self-sufficiency and promote sustainable living. All I will say is that anyone who has an opportunity to grow something on their own should definitely try. It's not as complicated as it might seem at first glance. After all, people have been doing it for thousands of years. Wink

As long as we aren't planting lots of crops, we can really easily plant them, like eggplant, carrots, ginger, and any kind of leafy vegetable that is easy to plant and grow. Others even just put it in a pot (though it is small, you can still grow it) as they don't have land to plant on; they just put it where the sunlight is, and they also water it on a daily basis. Though sometimes you can get lazy on planting it, when the time comes that you want to do it, do it as it doesn't really require a lot of care needed for it to grow; just leave it there.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on July 07, 2023, 06:42:22 AM

Land is becoming lesser and not very available for agriculture as before, There is a lot of Urbanization going on and many land space are being built on to carter for the increasing number of persons. There will be lesser organic foods available for consumption as the worlds population increase and farming space reduces. Because of this, there now has to be an improvement in farming methods and I personally consider vertical Farming to be the future of organic food farming.

There are two places to live in anywhere in the world. Either you live in Rural area or you live in Urban area. Now when someone was living in the rural area and moved down to Urban settlement then the place he or she was living at the rural area became vacancy, so occupying one place gives room to open another place. So that of the rural settlement space can be use has farming.
I don't know of other countries, in my locality, there are enough lands to farm but nobody to farm. Specifically, my paternal home town is a ghost town now because urbanization has taken over 99% of the people. So lands full there to farm.

It is unfortunate that this type of thing happens, agriculture is very important for the economy of a country and not only for that but also for society in general, it helps increase jobs, reduces poverty... among other significant characteristics, it is That is why sometimes i wonder why they discredit such a productive activity and which, in my opinion, should be extremely demanding... urban planning is destroying the essence of nature and its potential, i understand those who seek a better life in the city with jobs that supposedly will provide them with a better quality of life when in reality if they start looking for another point of view, the earth offers us all those possibilities...... and if you can your comment from:

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So lands full there to farm.

Be true at this time, but the population is growing, the spaces are shrinking and those spaces that were once empty will be converted into other cities, almost completely reducing this activity by not seeing land to cultivate, only to survive...

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on July 07, 2023, 06:42:22 AM

Land is becoming lesser and not very available for agriculture as before, There is a lot of Urbanization going on and many land space are being built on to carter for the increasing number of persons. There will be lesser organic foods available for consumption as the worlds population increase and farming space reduces. Because of this, there now has to be an improvement in farming methods and I personally consider vertical Farming to be the future of organic food farming.

In vertical farming, Plants are grown in stacked layers under controlled conditions like green house farming.
In vertical farming,

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Ensures Consistent Crop Production
One of the biggest benefits of vertical arming lies in the fact that it is extremely reliable. That means, when you opt for vertical farming, you can be assured of getting consistent crop production throughout the year. This is further made possible because vertical farming doesn’t usually rely on the weather, allowing you to cultivate crops without having to get worked up about adverse weather conditions.
Uses Space Optimally
Reduces Usage of Water
One of the biggest perks of vertical farming lies in the fact that it follows a Hydroponic growing process whereby only 10% of the water is used. This mode of farming also uses fewer fertilizers and nutrients when compared to conventional methods. Since the water is completely clean even after usage, it can be duly reused thereby reducing the total cost and cutting down on waste.
Cuts Down on Transport Cost
You can always choose to grow crops in an area where your customer lives thereby reducing transportation costs, carbon dioxide emissions, and the constant need for refrigerating your produce. At the end of the day, this not only contributes to the freshness of your products but also makes them incredibly profitable.
Doesn’t Involve Chemicals or Pesticides
When you grow food on a vertical farm, you have the chance of completely cutting down on the need to invest in pesticides. That is because your farming is practiced in a controlled environment that prohibits the entry of pests.
Limits Occupational Hazards
With indoor farming in place, no farmer is exposed to the hazards associated with using heavy farming gear. They are also well-protected from a range of ailments like malaria, issues from harmful chemicals, and the likes of it.Since this mode of farming does not affect trees and animals around inland zones, it is also an excellent way to promote biodiversity.
Larger Produce
Probably the biggest benefit of vertical farming is the fact that it helps produce more crops in general. As we already know, this mode of farming enables cultivars to produce crops consistently in a small area. Interestingly, it also boosts the amount of produce.

What do you think about Vertical Farming, do you agree that it is the future of farming really?

https://www.conserve-energy-future.com/advantages-disadvantages-vertical-farming.php

I've seen this in a textbook back when I was grade 4, surprised that it's still not as ubiquitous as I thought it would be even though the only downside there is to using this vertical farming method is that it's gonna take some effort. In any case I've seen people use this form of farming especially in countries where the soil quality depletes fast and the only saving grace they could use is to employ this run down method or a derivative of it. In the Philippines which is an agricultural country they use rice terraces which is basically like this but with the added benefit of storm control which is something that vertical farming is a little susceptible to. But it requires cultivating an elevated area into farming so there's that. In any case if the agricultural sector is attended to and people put their minds and their efforts into creating solutions to the growing problem of soil quality depletion there are so much methods they can use and abuse. It's not a matter of how anymore at this point but when.

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Quote from: Lucius on July 08, 2023, 05:46:29 AM

Quote from: electronicash on July 07, 2023, 01:18:30 PM

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i would be interested to have my own garden of cabbage or potatoes so i can survive even when the world inflation skyrockets.

It's not bad and it's actually desirable to grow your own fruits and vegetables, but unless you have a very large garden you will still depend at least partially on others. Also growing something of your own is not as easy as some think, because it takes a lot of time, knowledge, patience and luck.

In addition, if you want to grow in a natural way without all the poisons they use, it will be even more difficult for you considering all the diseases and pests that exist in addition to the fact that the climate has changed significantly and you have to count that at any moment you can lose everything if there is a storm with the addition of hail, or maybe a flash flood.

Of course, this does not mean that you should not try, because tomatoes grown without any chemicals will taste much better than any produced in an industrial way - noting that you also need quality seeds of old varieties that have not been modified in any way.

I agree with you. Many people today have lost touch with nature and are not even aware of how good it feels to grow something with your own hands. It can be such a powerful and rewarding experience. Also, growing your own food can create a greater sense of self-sufficiency and promote sustainable living. All I will say is that anyone who has an opportunity to grow something on their own should definitely try. It's not as complicated as it might seem at first glance. After all, people have been doing it for thousands of years. Wink

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