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Quote from: pooya87 on February 23, 2024, 04:46:31 AM

You are confusing two different things.
First is that when US regime prints money out of thin air, they can use it to purchase "real things" from other countries. That is essentially exporting the inflation to those countries. Which means it doesn't matter if the country is developed, developing or under developed. The less they've dedollarised the more they'll be affected by that exported inflation.

Yeah, the dollar that is weak , that it suffers from inflation, that destroys other countries and yet everyone wants dollars, making it stronger than other currencies despite it being printed and losing value....oh wait! Grin

If countries that are protected from dollarization are not suffering from inflation why is then inflation in Iran at 60%?
Probably because of ally the goods Iran exports to the US!
And why is inflation in Mexico 4% while they've become the biggest exporters to the US?

Put a sock in your de-dollarization, it has become the laughing stock of the forum just as your energy crisis that never came!

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You are confusing two different things.
First is that when US regime prints money out of thin air, they can use it to purchase "real things" from other countries. That is essentially exporting the inflation to those countries. Which means it doesn't matter if the country is developed, developing or under developed. The less they've dedollarised the more they'll be affected by that exported inflation.

Quote from: Tbillion on February 22, 2024, 02:07:10 PM

cause the depreciation of other currencies ~ It can also make them not to engage in the global market of trading,

Second is the fact that if the local fiat is being dumped, it is partly because of the local non stop printing of that fiat.
Additionally, the exchange rate being low actually means that country CAN compete in the global market and crush others. Why do you think China manipulates its own currency's exchange rate and keeps it down? That is how China became the strongest economy!

So if a certain country has a tough time competing in the global market, the problem is somewhere else. Like in the local economic infrastructure such as industries that even under developed countries have. The focus has to be shifted there and production should increase. That way the lower exchange rate is actually a great thing to have.

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Quote from: Tbillion on February 22, 2024, 02:07:10 PM

Actually have come to understand the fact that when ever dollar increases it may likely cause the depreciation of other currencies in underdeveloped countries. Particularly this might make this underdeveloped countries to be very poor. It can also make them not to engage in the global market of trading, because their currencies can not meet up to this increase in dollar. I think it’s really a global issue that needs to be addressed in order to help this underdeveloped countries.

Like I believe many other must have said, dollar is like a a stand alone currency, and it's stability earned it the currency for world trades, every currency has the tendency to appreciate or depreciate against other currencies in the market, it all depends on the supply and demand on that particular currency.
I am not an economist, but what I have to say here is that, whenever a currency possibly trading against the dollar goes down in value, it's completely not the fault of the dollar, but solely as the result of the economic crisis of the country that owns the currency.

For example, Nigeria naira have been losing value against the dollar for a couple of months now due to the economic downturn or crisis in the country, is it appropriate for the Nigerian government to turn to the USA and blame them for the naira depreciation?, the answer is No, for if the Nigeria government will fix the economy of Nigeria, and make things stabilize again, the naira will start appreciating against the dollar.

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Quote from: Tbillion on February 22, 2024, 02:07:10 PM

Actually have come to understand the fact that when ever dollar increases it may likely cause the depreciation of other currencies in underdeveloped countries. Particularly this might make this underdeveloped countries to be very poor. It can also make them not to engage in the global market of trading, because their currencies can not meet up to this increase in dollar. I think it’s really a global issue that needs to be addressed in order to help this underdeveloped countries.

Less developed or third-world countries shouldn't be affected by dollar increase because they were particularly taken into consideration when it was adviced that nations should trade more with China when dollar begins to increase massively in the future. Ofcourse, the rebellious ones likely ignored the advice or/and did the opposite. Also important to point out that this is not the best time for the weakest nations to mingle or ally with most western countries against themselves, their interest, or their neighbors It will greatly backfire and put them in misery. Goats are too vulnerable to be mingling with lions in the time of anger and hunger. The weak and vulnerable ought to be helping themselves rather than working with those who hate them against each other.

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Quote from: Latviand on February 23, 2024, 03:16:26 AM

But that's not really going to benefit the country in the long run, weak currency in global trades means that you've got a cheap export tariffs or something trade related but you're not really benefiting from it because you're paying a premium for those exports which is going to go to your local market much more expensive because you have to get some profits out of the payments that you've made in trades so in the end, the only one that's benefiting from this is the people that are on the outside of the country and not the people inside.

He said exports will attract the buyers because the cost production is cheap and imports are expensive because the local can't afford to buy it, which mean it's an exactly same with what you're saying.

So we're know it's better to produce in underdeveloped country and sell it to developed country, but unfortunately the vast majority people in underdeveloped country are lazy, not skillful, and below requirements standard.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 22, 2024, 10:01:46 PM

It actually depends. A weak currency doesn't necessarily mean the country won't anymore engage in global trades. As a matter of fact, a weak currency could actually be designed on purpose. It could actually be intended by way of a policy to be used as a strategy in order to increase trades, exports in particular. In which case, since the currency is weak, exports are cheaper, making them more attractive for buyers compared to their competitors. Of course, there's also a need to balance since a weak currency would also mean imports are expensive.

But that's not really going to benefit the country in the long run, weak currency in global trades means that you've got a cheap export tariffs or something trade related but you're not really benefiting from it because you're paying a premium for those exports which is going to go to your local market much more expensive because you have to get some profits out of the payments that you've made in trades so in the end, the only one that's benefiting from this is the people that are on the outside of the country and not the people inside.

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In my country, the local currency is tied to USD and the central bank has enough reserves to support it, so we do not have an inflationary effect, but I have seen examples in some neighboring countries of bad dependence on USD, most of which are for those countries that import a lot of products with a clear trade deficit, which raises the prices of goods and basic materials. It is weakened because the strength of the dollar means that raw products will be exported abroad, which means an increase in prices, and that the imported materials that the market depends on will be at a high price, which will lead to an increase in prices.

The middle and poor classes are affected by this type of inflation compared to the upper middle and rich classes.

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Blaming USD because it's better than other currency is like blaming the rich because you're poor, it's not make sense.

If you don't like your local currency because the inflation rate is higher than USD, you can save your money in USD, even better you can invest your money to stock, gold, Bitcoin that can hedge against inflation.

If you're poor, you need to work very hard and if you have a chance, you need to work overseas in first world country, that's the fastest way to change your life.

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Quote from: Tbillion on February 22, 2024, 02:07:10 PM

Actually have come to understand the fact that when ever dollar increases it may likely cause the depreciation of other currencies in underdeveloped countries. Particularly this might make this underdeveloped countries to be very poor. It can also make them not to engage in the global market of trading, because their currencies can not meet up to this increase in dollar. I think it’s really a global issue that needs to be addressed in order to help this underdeveloped countries.

this is basically coming from a place of lack of proper knowledge on the reality that the dollar isn't increasing with respect to other currencies. What happens is that the value of other currency reduces it value because of the economic strength of those developing countries.

In the first place, if those developing nations had put in place measures that ensures that they are depending more on locally manufactured goods, then these devaluation of thier currency wouldn't become a thing of serious concern to them. But because they all depend on product from countries that uses the USD, we have situation like this that it almost seems as though thier economic strength depends on the value of thier local currencies to the dollar.

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Well, the US Dollar gave some stability to international trades.You need a stable currency for global trade and also trust in that system that it will be safe and also widely accepted.

BRICS are throwing a spanner into the global market by trying to replace the US Dollar with something else, but it is still too early to see if that is going to succeed.

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global economy is more complicated than many people think I guess, there's certain country that purposely trying to make their own currency cheap maybe to increase global trades or something like that its overall not a subject that can be understand within night there are certainly many things involved but I think many countries of weaker economy strength getting their currency value depreciating when dollar appreciate probably due to the fact that people moving their money from the foreign exchange market of a smaller economy country to USD just to keep their wealth from plummeting but i may be wrong.
overall it has been like this since many decades ago country with weak economy strength will always get the shorter end of the stick that's just how it works.
that's why if you live in a smaller country with their own currency keeping wealth at USD is one thing because it can avoid you from the unnecessary problems that only
further complicates you dealing with your own money.

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It actually depends. A weak currency doesn't necessarily mean the country won't anymore engage in global trades. As a matter of fact, a weak currency could actually be designed on purpose. It could actually be intended by way of a policy to be used as a strategy in order to increase trades, exports in particular. In which case, since the currency is weak, exports are cheaper, making them more attractive for buyers compared to their competitors. Of course, there's also a need to balance since a weak currency would also mean imports are expensive.

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One of the things that prompted many countries to create new economic blocs and partnerships is that the US Federal Reserve, when it continued to raise interest rates, did not care about other economies around the world and was concerned with the American market, and many central banks found themselves forced to raise interest rates, which harmed many monetary policies.

High interest rates make it difficult to provide liquidity for investment in these countries, which reduces the level of desired investment and increases the costs for all new investments, including those vital investments that the government needs for development.

If you have time, this is a good article to explain these effects https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-have-fed-interest-rate-hikes-affected-other-national-economies/

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I think you are trying to attribute the dollar effect as punishment for bad economies, maybe...! that they are intended that way by their politicians, in any case its effect is not causal, it is a consequence of Bad regional economies.
On the other hand, there are influence also at developed countries.
^{(The adjective increase is perhaps not very suitable for your idea)}

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Quote from: Tbillion on February 22, 2024, 02:07:10 PM

Actually have come to understand the fact that when ever dollar increases it may likely cause the depreciation of other currencies in underdeveloped countries. Particularly this might make this underdeveloped countries to be very poor. It can also make them not to engage in the global market of trading, because their currencies can not meet up to this increase in dollar. I think it’s really a global issue that needs to be addressed in order to help this underdeveloped countries.

When underdeveloped countries heavily depend on importation, when there is bad economic policy in the country, it makes the value of their local currency loose value against the dollars, the importers spend more money on importation and clearance of their goods, and because of the more money spent on importation, they increase the price of goods and commodities and that tightens the economy for the low income earners and others just struggling to survive.

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Quote from: Iroh on February 22, 2024, 05:01:18 PM

The dollar does not directly control the appreciation not depreciation of other countries currency. Their economic policies as well as the rate at which good and services produced that could be exported to other countries. That could in turn, determine the strength of their currency against the dollar.
The over reliance on the dollar by these countries also help put them more into the mess they’re already facing. It’s not nearly a global issue as you think it is as this isn’t a new issue.

Work on your economy, have a favorable balance of trade and put in place policies to attract new and favorable investment opportunities. Then watch your economy and currency grow.

If you look at this countries having their local currency devaluing every time against the dollar you will notice something similar and that’s the issue of attracting more users of their own currencies by even other countries. This is achievable only if the country exports more of their goods than importing. This exportation should be adviced in local currency to make the local currency gain more popularity and attract investors too to have the local currency of the That exporting country which actually strengthen the local currency and economy.

The other reason of why the local currency of some countries are devaluing against dollar or other currencies is the fact the excessive printing of paper money gives room for bearish sentiment of that currency because the demand value is always in a scarce currency

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The dollar does not directly control the appreciation not depreciation of other countries currency. Their economic policies as well as the rate at which good and services produced that could be exported to other countries. That could in turn, determine the strength of their currency against the dollar.
The over reliance on the dollar by these countries also help put them more into the mess they’re already facing. It’s not nearly a global issue as you think it is as this isn’t a new issue.

Work on your economy, have a favorable balance of trade and put in place policies to attract new and favorable investment opportunities. Then watch your economy and currency grow.

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Quote from: Tbillion on February 22, 2024, 02:07:10 PM

Actually have come to understand the fact that when ever dollar increases it may likely cause the depreciation of other currencies in underdeveloped countries. Particularly this might make this underdeveloped countries to be very poor. It can also make them not to engage in the global market of trading, because their currencies can not meet up to this increase in dollar. I think it’s really a global issue that needs to be addressed in order to help this underdeveloped countries.

This relationship has always been present, people in unstable countries have historically and are likely to continue relying on the US dollar in the near term. Firstly because it is in America's interests to keep this relationship going, as they benefit from being the "reserve currency of the world" in many different ways, but one of the major benefits is being able to loosely influence financial compliance. America also gains a lot because they're able to control the printing press to their advantage compared to most countries. That being said, people have flocked to this currency because it at least so far has always been good on it's debt obligations and the government - even though it may not seem like it at certain times - has always been relatively stable in comparison to some other places, like China for example.

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Quote from: Tbillion on February 22, 2024, 02:07:10 PM

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Nothing is wrong with the dollar increase and besides we have other currencies that are higher than the dollar both fiat and digital currencies e.g, 1 BTC = $51k+ so should we now say that the increase in the value of bitcoin is causing under development in the united states?

The answer is NO
Why because the US economy is stabilizingd and has the internal capacity to control its economic demands and also working to manage the global economic meltdown, same as developing and underdeveloped countries around the globe.

Global inflation is high and this is telling highly negatively on the economy of most countries around the world ss its impact is more felt in highly corrupt developing and underdeveloped countries whose currencies are weak and whose internal GDP is in the negative.

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It's not the dollar increasing it's the local currencies of those underdeveloped countries which is depreciating against it. The dollar is the staple currency for global trade and while it flictuates, it's nothing close to the level at which many of those currencies do.

Dollar cannot directly cause a drop in the value of other currencies. It's all down the their economic policies and amount of imports which puts the currency to use in global trades. Check those currencies against GBP or EUR and you'll notice the same depreciation.

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