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vip
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May 06, 2012, 11:35:23 PM
#24
I suspect there are a number of factors at play here but my guess is that for most people it's just that they stand to gain very little from switching away from Deepbit and it's not worth the brainpower/time it'd take to determine the best new choice and get everything set up, and the chance that they could be wrong again, and more wrong than they are already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_(economics)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis
hero member
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Merit: 1000
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I personally "do math" every 1800 blocks and whenever the exchange rate moves over 15%. I have to, when electricity rolls in at 0,17$ there arent that large margins involved.
donator
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Merit: 1079
Gerald Davis
Not much of a gamble.  Really hard to hop out such that you have -EV.  You might leave some profit on the table or hop too late so in effect you are mining for fair value part of the time.

It is less profitable but not less risky.  As greener pastures have dried up the hoppers have begun raping the crap out Slush pool.  Score was never really effective at preventing hoppers it just limited their profitability and when there were juicier targets Slush pool was "protected".
rjk
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Merit: 250
1ngldh
What pools still use proportional payouts?

Deepbit and Slush.
All the little ones dried up and blew away? Also, Slush is time weighted, which makes it a little more of a gamble. (Still fun to try though)
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1007
Poor impulse control.
What pools still use proportional payouts?

Deepbit and Slush.
legendary
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1452
What pools still use proportional payouts?
random pools that are created for the sole purpose of pool hopping. usually fails for pool hoppers because the pool gets stuck at 40%, and because no sane user will continue mining beyond that point, everyone abandons the pool.
sr. member
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Crypt'n Since 2011
April 24, 2012, 06:50:31 PM
#18
What pools still use proportional payouts?
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1006
April 24, 2012, 05:47:04 PM
#17
Wrong, it means more income for normal people.
i'm not normal people.

i'm more interested in getting my wallet.dat fat.
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
April 24, 2012, 01:22:22 PM
#16
Wrong, it means more income for normal people.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1006
April 22, 2012, 08:57:21 PM
#15
Join p2pool, no fees, you receive transaction fees too, no trust required, no downtime

deepbit=so much fail
p2pool is probably among the last pool i'd join, among others.
You can't hop on p2pool  Cheesy
which means less income.

any sane hoppers will do the same.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1008
If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
April 22, 2012, 12:31:35 PM
#14
Join p2pool, no fees, you receive transaction fees too, no trust required, no downtime

deepbit=so much fail
p2pool is probably among the last pool i'd join, among others.
You can't hop on p2pool  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1001
April 21, 2012, 05:48:14 PM
#13
You needed ten months to figure that out? Wow. If I were you I wouldn't have made this thread to be honest. If this is how average miners calculate, we can expect GPUs to still be running when Asics are ruling the hash rate.

Yeah, because I totally don't think about anything I ever do.

Why shouldn't I have made this thread?  These are largely unconscious processes such that we don't usually notice them.  And sometimes although we do notice them, we don't really care because we create a justifiable reason for not caring, one that's more powerful than money is. 

Looking back, for me it was something along the lines of, "Why fix what ain't broke?  I'm already pulling in steady profits."  Keep in mind I don't pay for electricity as part of my rental agreement, so 8-10% larger payouts to me is NOT the same as 8-10% larger payouts to someone that pays for electricity.

If I'm reading through the forums and I click the "show unread posts since last visit" link and I see all these ads for "Need hashing power!  110% PPS!" or "120% PPS limited offer!" as I suspect you do too, why don't you continuously join these pools?  Well, you need to trust them to a certain degree.

I trust Deepbit (still do) because a lot of people have been using them successfully.  I was one of them and I grew to know that I could count on steady, regular payouts from  Deepbit.  I recently joined ABCPool for similar reasons...but the numbers are a lot prettier.

The thing is that the math is not ALL that matters -- whatever should mathematically bring you the greatest profits is not necessarily the best idea (BitScalper, anyone?).  Trust is important too, and Deepbit has earned a lot of it. 


For the same reasons I don't switch my pool either (though i have a back-up pool). The only difference is that I did the math back in June. Deepbit would likely be my last choice if my pool(s) went down. This has happened close to never for the time I've been mining. It's clear you didn't care as long as it worked. You lost even more because you could have mined namecoins alongside Btc from the beginning of October already. It wasn't much at times, but it's a clear extra income. It doesn't take any effort to redirect your miners to a different pool. It takes less than 20 seconds per miner.
legendary
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Merit: 1020
April 21, 2012, 03:54:29 PM
#12
You needed ten months to figure that out? Wow. If I were you I wouldn't have made this thread to be honest. If this is how average miners calculate, we can expect GPUs to still be running when Asics are ruling the hash rate.

Yeah, because I totally don't think about anything I ever do.

Why shouldn't I have made this thread?  These are largely unconscious processes such that we don't usually notice them.  And sometimes although we do notice them, we don't really care because we create a justifiable reason for not caring, one that's more powerful than money is. 

Looking back, for me it was something along the lines of, "Why fix what ain't broke?  I'm already pulling in steady profits."  Keep in mind I don't pay for electricity as part of my rental agreement, so 8-10% larger payouts to me is NOT the same as 8-10% larger payouts to someone that pays for electricity.

If I'm reading through the forums and I click the "show unread posts since last visit" link and I see all these ads for "Need hashing power!  110% PPS!" or "120% PPS limited offer!" as I suspect you do too, why don't you continuously join these pools?  Well, you need to trust them to a certain degree.

I trust Deepbit (still do) because a lot of people have been using them successfully.  I was one of them and I grew to know that I could count on steady, regular payouts from  Deepbit.  I recently joined ABCPool for similar reasons...but the numbers are a lot prettier.

The thing is that the math is not ALL that matters -- whatever should mathematically bring you the greatest profits is not necessarily the best idea (BitScalper, anyone?).  Trust is important too, and Deepbit has earned a lot of it. 
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1006
April 21, 2012, 03:17:53 PM
#11
What would make you switch to another pool? i ask cuz i am about to start one
1000% payout rate.  Grin
full member
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April 21, 2012, 01:49:54 PM
#10
What would make you switch to another pool? i ask cuz i am about to start one
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1006
April 21, 2012, 11:05:20 AM
#9
Join p2pool, no fees, you receive transaction fees too, no trust required, no downtime

deepbit=so much fail
p2pool is probably among the last pool i'd join, among others.
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1001
April 21, 2012, 10:10:07 AM
#8
You needed ten months to figure that out? Wow. If I were you I wouldn't have made this thread to be honest. If this is how average miners calculate, we can expect GPUs to still be running when Asics are ruling the hash rate.
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1007
Poor impulse control.
April 21, 2012, 08:56:06 AM
#7
Not exactly 'fail' though, is it?
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1008
If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
April 21, 2012, 08:41:22 AM
#6
No downtime is better than "good uptime"
No fees is better than deepbit

p2pool also pay the transaction fees
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1007
Poor impulse control.
April 21, 2012, 08:00:05 AM
#5
Join p2pool, no fees, you receive transaction fees too, no trust required, no downtime

deepbit=so much fail

In what way? If you're aware of their PPS fees and you want good up time and a simple config, why is it so much fail?
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