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August 24, 2015, 02:47:04 PM
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Want to bomb Iran? Then support the nuclear deal.

That’s the provocative argument coming from Obama administration officials and other backers of the deal as they promote it before a crucial vote in Congress next month.

In meetings on Capitol Hill and with influential policy analysts, administration officials argue that inspections of Iran’s nuclear facilities under the deal will reveal important details that can be used for better targeting should the U.S. decide to attack Iran.

“It’s certainly an argument I’ve heard made,” said Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. “We’ll be better off with the agreement were we to need to use force.”

Schiff has already announced his support for the Iran deal. But the argument could be useful as the administration tries to persuade centrist Democrats with a hawkish view of Iran to support the agreement, which provides relief from sanctions for Iran in return for curbs and inspections of its nuclear program. Congress is expected to vote on the deal next month.

Obama officials rarely discuss the concept in public, partly out of concern over long-standing tensions between Iran’s clerical regime and the International Atomic Energy Agency, which will monitor Iran’s nuclear complex under the deal. Iranian officials have often accused IAEA inspectors of being Western agents.

“I can certainly understand why the Iranians wouldn’t like that argument,” Schiff said. “But then the Iranians have made a lot of arguments that we don’t like.”

On Wednesday, The Associated Press reported that the IAEA has privately agreed to allow Iran to conduct its own environmental sampling, under agency supervision, at a sensitive military base where Tehran is thought to have conducted past nuclear weapons research. The details of the agreement are unclear, but such an arrangement would reflect Iran’s deep suspicion of the IAEA and its concerns that the United Nations agency’s inspections might benefit American war planners.

While U.S. officials are guarded in their discussion of military options, “it’s been on their minds for some time,” said one person who has spoken often with the administration’s Iran policymakers.

Analysts said the military benefits of having a clearer view of Iran’s program is an undeniable feature of the agreement.

“If you want to bomb the program, you should be superexcited about this deal,” said Austin Long, a professor at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs who studies U.S. military options against Iran. “The more you know about Iran’s nuclear program and the industrial infrastructure behind that program, the better you will be able to target it.”

Although the U.S. is already well aware of Iran’s major nuclear sites, such as its uranium enrichment plants at Fordow and Natanz, Pentagon planners lack detailed knowledge about the country’s “supply chain” — facilities that build essential components like centrifuges as well as its uranium mines and mills.

“These are exactly the kind of things you would want to destroy, so you don’t just cripple their ability to enrich uranium” but also Iran’s ability to reconstitute their enrichment program, Long said.

The White House has aired the argument once — drawing a furious Iranian response. In a July 17 briefing, press secretary Josh Earnest said “the military option would be enhanced” by the deal, adding that U.S. and Israeli targeting decisions “would be significantly informed … based on the knowledge that has been gained in the intervening years through this inspections regime.”

Iran quickly filed a formal complaint about Earnest’s remarks with the IAEA expressing “grave concern.” It accused the U.S. of breaching the deal with a threat, and warned against “any attempt aimed at obtaining its confidential information.”

The July 14 nuclear deal sets up intrusive inspections and monitoring regime that will be managed by the IAEA, which will assign up to 150 inspectors to the country full time. They will have round-the-clock access to Iran’s nuclear facilities, and a mandate to investigate suspected secret nuclear sites. Iran must also describe the entirety of its nuclear program to the IAEA in much greater detail than it has to date. Under IAEA procedures, and the text of the nuclear deal, the U.S. will have access to that information.

Tehran’s suspicions about Western spying and espionage were a major hurdle in the nuclear talks. Iranian officials have charged that the IAEA collaborates with Western intelligence agencies, saying that they pass information to the U.S. and Israel that has facilitated sabotage of Iran’s program and even led to the killing of Iranian nuclear scientists.

After a mysterious 2012 power outage at Fordow and Natanz, for instance, Iran’s nuclear chief warned “terrorists and saboteurs might have intruded the agency.” And when an atomic scientist was murdered earlier that year, one Iranian official complained that people “who came to Iran under the pretext of inspecting the country’s nuclear facilities have identified Iranian scientists and given their names to the terrorist groups.”

On Monday, Iran’s deputy foreign minister said that Iran’s intelligence service would have to approve any IAEA inspectors seeking access the country. The nuclear deal already states that Iran “will generally allow the designation of inspectors from nations that have diplomatic relations with Iran,” apparently excluding Americans from the IAEA team.

The IAEA’s Iran Task Force had an initial full-time staff of 50 inspectors when it was created in 2012. The nuclear agreement envisions a team roughly triple that size, between 130 and 150. The task force includes technical experts, intelligence analysts and nuclear weapons specialists based in Vienna, where the atomic watchdog agency is headquartered.

New insight into Iran’s program isn’t the only benefit seen by U.S. military and intelligence officials, who worked closely with Secretary of State John Kerry’s negotiating team to help shape a deal to their liking.

For instance, the deal requires Iran to stop enriching uranium at Fordow, a facility buried more than 200 feet under mountain rock that presents a challenging target. Iran’s other enrichment facility at Natanz is also underground — but not as deep and thus far more vulnerable to American bunker-buster munitions.

Intrusive IAEA inspections also allow intelligence officials to worry less about keeping watch over Iran’s known nuclear sites, allowing them to focus on the hunt for any nuclear activity Iran might be conducting in secret.

Multiple intelligence arms of the U.S. government are focused on Iran, including the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the CIA’s Iran operations division.

Schiff said he is urging his undecided colleagues to read a classified assessment prepared for Congress by U.S. intelligence agencies, which he said gives him confidence in the ability of U.S. spy agencies to catch Iran in the act of cheating.

He said that Washington would be stepping up cooperation with allies to monitor Iran beyond the declared scope of the nuclear deal’s IAEA inspections.

That point was echoed by Ami Ayalon, a former chief of Israel’s Shin Bet security service, in a recent interview with POLITICO.

“I know something about the American [intelligence] capabilities, and I can tell you that some specific areas, we can improve them with some specific capabilities that we have,” Ayalon said. “I believe that we can reach the point at which, if we share our intelligence… we shall know almost everything what is happening at every site every moment in Iran.”


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/iran-nuclear-deal-argument-bomb-121613.html?hp=t1_r



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July 29, 2015, 08:18:05 PM
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July 29, 2015: Sen. Tom Cotton's Q&A during Senate Armed Services Committee hearing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95BNlWr1do4



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July 28, 2015, 09:08:36 AM
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Iran deal is a great deal and it's a necessary way to against IS.
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July 28, 2015, 08:30:33 AM
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Wilkon is the most ignorant, close-minded troll I've ever seen on a forum board.  Cheesy Cheesy

But his saltiness about this deal tastes so fucking good!!!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin




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July 27, 2015, 10:29:28 PM
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Wilkon is the most ignorant, close-minded troll I've ever seen on a forum board.  Cheesy Cheesy

But his saltiness about this deal tastes so fucking good!!!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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July 27, 2015, 09:37:25 PM
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I'm glad they done this deal. USA should allied to Iran not Saudi Arabia. Iran is the lesser evil in the Middle East.

Allied? Iran hates the US.
One is less evil than the other... Hard to tell who's on top...


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July 27, 2015, 08:10:33 PM
#20
I'm glad they done this deal. USA should allied to Iran not Saudi Arabia. Iran is the lesser evil in the Middle East.
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July 27, 2015, 06:45:13 PM
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Iran agreement: Why you should read Paragraph 36


Last Tuesday, a 159-page PDF of the Iran nuclear agreement dropped into my inbox. Scrolling down to page 19, I checked out Paragraph 36. I suggest you do the same. Plenty of provisions in the Vienna agreement will get attention in the coming weeks, but Paragraph 36 may be the most important of all.

Paragraph 36 tells us when and how the agreement might end. Both friend and foe have touted this deal as “historic” and promised (or moaned) that its provisions will stay in place for the long term. But in practice, this is not a ten-year agreement or a fifteen-year agreement or an eternal agreement. Paragraph 36 tells us the truth: Any party—be it Iran or a future U.S. president—can essentially ditch the Iran nuclear deal with 35 days’ notice.


http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/248667-iran-agreement-why-you-should-read-paragraph-36



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July 27, 2015, 05:30:00 PM
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DNC Chair: 'Legitimate cause for concern' with Iran nuclear deal



Published on Jul 27, 2015
DNC chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz says there is "legitimate cause for concern" and has not yet decided whether she will support the president's Iran nuclear deal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf934o3m_20


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July 27, 2015, 05:04:44 PM
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July 27, 2015, 02:09:50 PM
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John Kerry: Lawyer to the Mullahs (Video)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFOd5Oj_kGA



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July 25, 2015, 11:59:54 PM
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U.S. and Iranian officials confirmed Thursday that no American nuclear inspectors will be permitted to enter the country’s contested nuclear site under the parameters of a deal reached with world powers this week, according to multiple statements by American and Iranian officials.

Under the tenants of the final nuclear deal reached this week in Vienna, only countries with normal diplomatic relations with Iran will be permitted to participate in inspections teams organized by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

The revelation of this caveat has attracted concern from some analysts who maintain that only American experts can be trusted to verify that Iran is not cheating on the deal and operating clandestine nuclear facilities.

Makes sense. Why should the Americans be allowed inside the Iranian nuclear facilities? And the next POTUS has already promised to the Jews that she will bomb Iran as soon as she is elected to the office. So this is a rational decision.

And for those who are complaining. First let the Iranians (or the Russians or the Chinese) access the American nuclear facilities. Then we can discuss whether to allow the Americans inside the Iranian facilities or not.
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July 25, 2015, 10:49:41 PM
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So funny to see the Pro-Israel lobby up in arms about the nuclear deal

u guise mad?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Nasrallah: U.S. will remain the ‘Great Satan’


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4DQMNVBHs0



The Lebanese Hezbollah group said Washington will remain the “Great Satan” following nuclear deal with world powers and it can still count on Iran’s support, its leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah said on Saturday.

In his first public remarks since the agreement was reached this month in Geneva, Nasrallah said he was sure Tehran would confound critics who say it would end support to Hezbollah.

“Did Iran sell its allies down the river during the nuclear talks? No, there was no bargaining” between Iran and the United States, he said in a speech broadcast on a large screen to supporters in Beirut’s southern suburbs, a party stronghold.

Supreme leader “Ayatollah Ali Khamenei reiterated Iran’s position on the resistance movements and its allies, and Hezbollah occupies a special place among them,” Nasrallah added.

“The United States remains the ‘Great Satan,’ both before and after the nuclear accord” reached last week after tough negotiations between Iran and permanent U.N. Security Council members Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States, plus Germany.

On July 18, Khamenei warned that, despite the deal, Iran would continue its policy towards the “arrogant” United States and also its support for its friends in the region.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/07/25/Hezbollah-U-S-remains-great-Satan-after-nuke-deal.html




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July 25, 2015, 03:31:54 PM
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So funny to see the Pro-Hezbollah lobby up in laughs about the nuclear deal


u guise r mad  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



why should we be?

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Iran will continue to support the Shiite militant group Hezbollah even in the wake of a nuclear deal between the Islamic republic and world powers, said the Lebanese group's leader Hassan Nasrallah on Saturday.
"Did Iran sell its allies down the river during the nuclear talks? No, there was no bargaining" between the US and Iran, the leader said during a broadcast speech.

http://www.dw.com/en/nuclear-deal-will-not-stop-iranian-support-for-hezbollah-says-nasrallah/a-18607797
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July 25, 2015, 01:06:51 PM
#12
So funny to see the Pro-Israel lobby up in arms about the nuclear deal

u guise mad?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


So funny to see the Pro-Hezbollah lobby up in laughs about the nuclear deal


u guise r mad  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


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July 25, 2015, 01:03:46 PM
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Obama’s deal to lift sanctions on Iran and allow it to continue the purchase and production of enriched uranium is so bad that his own staff can’t even figure out how to spin for it. It’s so bad that Obama’s opponents don’t even need to craft their own arguments against it — they can just recycle the Obama administration’s arguments against the deal.

Watch as Obama spokesman Ben Rhodes destroys the Iran nuclear deal in only 26 seconds

you can saw on you tube.


If you have the youtube link post it and I'll add it to the OP.


legendary
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July 25, 2015, 01:01:44 PM
#10
So funny to see the Pro-Israel lobby up in arms about the nuclear deal

u guise mad?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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July 25, 2015, 12:45:10 PM
#9
Obama’s deal to lift sanctions on Iran and allow it to continue the purchase and production of enriched uranium is so bad that his own staff can’t even figure out how to spin for it. It’s so bad that Obama’s opponents don’t even need to craft their own arguments against it — they can just recycle the Obama administration’s arguments against the deal.

Watch as Obama spokesman Ben Rhodes destroys the Iran nuclear deal in only 26 seconds

you can saw on you tube.
legendary
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July 25, 2015, 11:15:26 AM
#8
stupidly embarrassing attempt to mislead people into cheering for war against iran but then again it only has to be believable enough to mislead half the fat jewmerican mcdonalds eating pig population so who knows maybe it will do its job. in the second part of his answer from the first clip (purposely edited out) he makes clear that he is talking about iran's declared nuclear facilities. known nuclear sites will be under continuous watch under the deal. conventional military sites are not and were never intended to be subject to no restrictions no questions asked inspections. no country on earth would accept such a thing after the iraq debacle where american inspectors operating under un auspices used "wmd" inspections as a pretext to gather intel on iraqi state and military secrets during the 90s and use it against the government in 1998 and 2003.
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