The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines

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Quote from: a7mos on April 25, 2016, 03:29:38 PM

One of four hostages abducted in the Philippines last September has been killed hours after a Monday deadline for a $6.5 million ransom expired.
The al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf group kidnapped four people from a resort on Samal Island in September 2015. The hostages—John Ridsdel and Robert Hall, both Canadian; Marites Flor, a Filipina; and Kjartan Sekkingstad, a Norwegian––all had appeared in a video asking their governments to secure their release. Earlier Monday, Abu Sayyaf demanded a $6.5 million ransom and threatened to behead a hostage if the money wasn’t delivered by 3 p.m. When that deadline passed, a severed head was dropped into the town center in Jolo. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed that Ridsdel had been killed. Filipino authorities have not officially identified the victim. Reuters reported:

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“We are being very careful, we can't say whose head it was,” army spokesman Major Felimon Tan told reporters, adding that tests would be carried out to identify the victim.

Residents found the head in the center of Jolo town. Tan said two men on a motorcycle were seen dropping a plastic bag containing the severed head.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/philippines-abu-sayyaf/479787/

But also Robert Hall has been beheaded by those evil , i cant imagine that they can do it that easy to kill and behead a human aside they are also a human , how can they do it easily they are just like killing an animal i cant imagine that some filipino cam do that Without a fear .

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Quote from: spazzdla on April 25, 2016, 03:55:19 PM

If those who are in power responded with a drop of 100 000k troops when this happens, it wouldn't happen.

You can't expect fast move here in Philippine, government here are so lame. They just move fast when being notice by media man and like boasting they are doing their best but they really not when media are not around.

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What can you say, its military and government's business.
The Philippine arm forces supply ammos to these abu sayaf group and they both earn from the ransom. if the government are seriously wanting to wipe them out, it really can be done in less than a month. President Erap Estrada started it but of course the Generals won't be earning anymore if the terrorist groups don't exist so they find ways Erap Estrada to be oust and they succeeded.

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I hope that president elect Rodrigo Duterte could put an end to this inhumane and heartless killings of tourist in the Philippines. It is a beautiful place, nice environment and hospitable people. It will be a beautiful and perfect place to go to if this Abu Sayaff group would disappear permanently.

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this is rediculoukilling hostages in any other like philippines. people go there for holidays and they kidnapped them and made them hostages and kill them if the required amount is not transferred to them.
how can they be so hash to people and just kill them for money. they dont care for any one's life?

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Quote from: target on May 01, 2016, 12:00:25 PM

killing completely and wipe out those abusayaf group almost work during the time of president Joseph Estrada but then the military business would be stopped if that's the case.

Completely destroying Abu Sayyaf is possible, but it might take a lot of effort and funds. I don't know whether the government can afford such as costly war at this point of time. The NATO should help. Rather than wasting tens of billions of USD in hopeless countries such as Syria and Iraq, the US should spend a few hundred million in countries such as Philippines (on training and weapons).

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So im just gonna some of this. 10 indonesian nationals just went back to their own countries because they were released. Other info was not said by the media but they said no ransom was paid. But there are other foreign national that are still held hostage.

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killing completely and wipe out those abusayaf group almost work during the time of president Joseph Estrada but then the military business would be stopped if that's the case.
so they tried to find faults to the president and then impeach him. Thats how politics work in the Philippines.

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Quote from: Mr.Pro on May 01, 2016, 05:46:56 AM

The governmenr soldiers have been fighting them for decades, I am fed up reading the newspaper about army casualities. I bet those soldiers are already sick of fighting for years and cant see their family. When there is war, there is a big profit.

The Abu Sayyaf (now a branch of the ISIS) is being provided with funds and weapons by the Islamist nations such as Brunei and Malaysia. If you really want to defeat these terrorists, then you should cut off their supplies. Next step would be to deport the terrorist sympathizers to Sabah (if I am not wrong, there is a sizable Moro population in Sabah).

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Quote from: Mr.Pro on May 01, 2016, 05:46:56 AM

Quote from: shintosai on April 30, 2016, 04:31:13 PM

Philippine government should attack those abu sayyaf and kill them all, as mention they are an al queda related groups might need some help from US to clear them all, those crazy rascals will always be there because their using it for there own sake, they not fighting for anything but making lot's of money and hiding their butts under their mommy's undie.. why the government allowed this to happen its been almost 6 months and no action from the afp? oh well wait for digong to win and let us see how can he handled this.

The governmenr soldiers have been fighting them for decades, I am fed up reading the newspaper about army casualities. I bet those soldiers are already sick of fighting for years and cant see their family. When there is war, there is a big profit.

Yes many heroes had fallen but the problem is still the same. The most soldiers lost was 44. And it was followed other and another casualties mostly in 2 digit casualties. And it's not purely on the mindanaos, there are others in Luzon areas.

So most people are desperate for changes and it really needs a fierce and fearless leader. No more time for dramas and many unsolved issues.

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Quote from: shintosai on April 30, 2016, 04:31:13 PM

Philippine government should attack those abu sayyaf and kill them all, as mention they are an al queda related groups might need some help from US to clear them all, those crazy rascals will always be there because their using it for there own sake, they not fighting for anything but making lot's of money and hiding their butts under their mommy's undie.. why the government allowed this to happen its been almost 6 months and no action from the afp? oh well wait for digong to win and let us see how can he handled this.

The governmenr soldiers have been fighting them for decades, I am fed up reading the newspaper about army casualities. I bet those soldiers are already sick of fighting for years and cant see their family. When there is war, there is a big profit.

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Philippine government should attack those abu sayyaf and kill them all, as mention they are an al queda related groups might need some help from US to clear them all, those crazy rascals will always be there because their using it for there own sake, they not fighting for anything but making lot's of money and hiding their butts under their mommy's undie.. why the government allowed this to happen its been almost 6 months and no action from the afp? oh well wait for digong to win and let us see how can he handled this.

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Quote from: Gronthaing on April 30, 2016, 03:38:19 PM

It is not true in every case but could be war tourism. People like to visit areas where conflict is occurring. Seeing combat, destruction, deaths, etc. Or where conflict recently occurred. It is becoming more popular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_tourism Or it could be slum tourism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slum_tourism the rich go see how the poor live. And some stay in 5 star hotels disguised as slums to "experience" how the poor live.

In that case, they got what they asked for. And I don't have any doubts on whether they will complain that the experience was not "authentic" enough. Stupid people spending their own money to get killed? I think this is a perfect example of natural selection. Nature is removing low-IQ people from the ecosystem, through incidents such as this one.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2016, 10:14:52 AM

I don't understand why these Western nationals want to travel to terrorist-ridden regions such as Mindanao, Turkey, Egypt, and Tunisia. In these places tourists have been targeted by the terrorists many times in the past. But still, these stupid tourists want to visit these regions. Check Tunisia. Even after the terrorist attack, it remains one of the favorite destinations for the British tourists.

It is not true in every case but could be war tourism. People like to visit areas where conflict is occurring. Seeing combat, destruction, deaths, etc. Or where conflict recently occurred. It is becoming more popular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_tourism Or it could be slum tourism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slum_tourism the rich go see how the poor live. And some stay in 5 star hotels disguised as slums to "experience" how the poor live.

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I think this is a common issue in the philippines. It's how terrorist see how they profit if they are losing budget and seems they are desperate because they really killed on time deadline. They especially target foreigners too attract international government but oftenly they are rescued after months of being abducted. And its really hard to penetrate because they've been there a long time and ambushes often happen.

It's all up to the next term on what should he/she do next.

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Quote from: Bought on April 30, 2016, 01:17:00 PM

Do these ransoms ever get paid?

In most of the cases, YES.

Take the case of the Somali pirates. At the peak of piracy, they were making hundreds of millions of USD worth of ransom money every year, by hijacking the cargo ships and kidnapping the crew. When the ransom was refused, the Somalis either killed their captives, or chopped off their limbs. The same with the ISIS as well. Most of the captives (Assyrians, foreigners.etc) were freed after paying ransom.

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Do these ransoms ever get paid? if i ever get kidnapped and my captors tell me they are requesting x million dollars from my government or they are going to kill me then its going to be pretty apparent that it will be game over soon. But like above poster says, dont go to terrorist ridden countries and dont get kidnapped. simples.

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I don't understand why these Western nationals want to travel to terrorist-ridden regions such as Mindanao, Turkey, Egypt, and Tunisia. In these places tourists have been targeted by the terrorists many times in the past. But still, these stupid tourists want to visit these regions. Check Tunisia. Even after the terrorist attack, it remains one of the favorite destinations for the British tourists.

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Quote from: a7mos on April 25, 2016, 03:29:38 PM

One of four hostages abducted in the Philippines last September has been killed hours after a Monday deadline for a $6.5 million ransom expired.
The al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf group kidnapped four people from a resort on Samal Island in September 2015. The hostages—John Ridsdel and Robert Hall, both Canadian; Marites Flor, a Filipina; and Kjartan Sekkingstad, a Norwegian––all had appeared in a video asking their governments to secure their release. Earlier Monday, Abu Sayyaf demanded a $6.5 million ransom and threatened to behead a hostage if the money wasn’t delivered by 3 p.m. When that deadline passed, a severed head was dropped into the town center in Jolo. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed that Ridsdel had been killed. Filipino authorities have not officially identified the victim. Reuters reported:

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“We are being very careful, we can't say whose head it was,” army spokesman Major Felimon Tan told reporters, adding that tests would be carried out to identify the victim.

Residents found the head in the center of Jolo town. Tan said two men on a motorcycle were seen dropping a plastic bag containing the severed head.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/philippines-abu-sayyaf/479787/

yes i see on tv news,its bad news for some country who have any victim on abu sayyaf kidnapped,and some of the are indonesian,and when hear about australian killied by abu sayyaf group,family from indonesian victim so sad and more worry about their husband and dad.

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Quote from: xht on April 25, 2016, 06:52:23 PM

It's so sad a large nation like the Philippines is so lame that they cannot clean out an Island region full of Islamic terrorists.

That's true because of corrupt public officials they cannot wipe out terrorism in the country. Even they were alliance with US and other countries I don't know why they can't wipe them out.

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