Topic: The latest change in the trust system has a flaw making it abusable - page 2. (Read 3945 times)

@Jonald & @Blazedout419, I think this quote by theymos from page one means that leaving a positive to offset a negative you disagree with is just fine (emphasis mine):

I am not saying that I am right here by any means about this. I was just giving my opinion of how I interpreted the ratings system here to work. In the end each user can leave feedback as they please...

Offsets are supposed to be neutral?  That's not how I understood what Theymos just said in this thread.
I haven't had much dealings with tsapcepilot but the quickseller thread made an impression on me and
also the main scam that Wardrick mentioned was from a known scammer (TF), so I believed his (tspacepilot)
story over TF.  If someone leaves an unwarnnted negative, and the other members of DT aren't supposed
to override it, that doesn't make much sense.

It looks to me like W' created a "border between pre-and-post controversy" and that JF replied and that's within the rules.  But W is deleting and readding in order to create a different order of events, which Theymos specifically said you shouldn't be doing.  You might say that JF is trying to restore the original order, although clearly they don't need to keep going back and forth.  To JF's credit he hasn't deleted and readded again, but has merely called out W for threating to continue to add and readd his feedback (he said up thread he'd be adding more).  So, the real question is to Wardrick and Badbear: to W the question is what sort of nonsense are you up to?  Are you even the original W that Badbear added last year?  Could you sign an old bitcoin address to prove it?  To Badbear the question is whether he vouches for these kinds of behaviors and posts.  It may be that given the dramatic threads this weekend regarding QS, BB doesn't really want to get pulled into acting rashly, and that would make sense.  In any case, that's my take on things.

Personally I think that even if you gamed the bot - you have more than paid your debt. My question is: If what Wardrick is doing is wrong...how is Jonayld not wrong for doing the same thing basically? I guess I am being too literal with the feedback rules, but I have been extremely careful with how I leave feedback.

I'd like to correct that "has been" to "continues to be".  I was targeted for a very long time by someone who finally revealed his true colors to people with power.  Let's not forget that the reason I found that alt account he was using for his escrow scheme is because it was the 4th in a line of sockpuppets he was using to justify his abusive rating on me.  It's very strange to me that as soon as one accuser becomes discredited another one pops out of the woodwork, making even less attempt to pretend to be a neutral party acting on the behalf of the community, Wardrick's posts seem to be straight-up harrassment combined with threats of doxxing and hidden control of default trust (have you looked at what this guy is writing since he reappears?).  Certainly most of this is bluster, but it's not pretty and I appreciate folks calling attention to it.

Also, please keep in mind that I have never traded here.  Who knows, someday I might trade something here but I'm certainly not a service provider/escrow/seller/buyer.  I say this to emphasize that I don't need a green trust rating and I'm not trying to pump up my trust rating or anything else.  I do, however, object to abusive negative ratings being put on my account and the fact that Wardick seems to be continuing the tradition of harasing me based on TF's discredited accusations is certainly shameful behavior.

Theymos has explained why recent feedback throws the trust rating into ? ??, then we have Wardick having edited his feedback back and forth between two texts three times now in 36 hours.  That certainly seems like a blatant attempt from Wardick to game the system.  I understand that you don't think outing Quickseller's scheme should have brought so many trust ratings to my account, but I kinda think that if Wardrick weren't trying to manipulate the system and play games, then people wouldn't be standing up for me.

so look at the reputation loan feedback and other feedback, which looks more like it was added because of how he putted QS and less that they trust him. all to negate the negative feedback it would appear.

just saying that trust abuse goes both ways.

Looks like this is what Wardrick is doing.  

Second time he deleted then re-added the same feedback to keep TSP in the ? ? ?.

Wardrick, please read below what is considered acceptable behavior with what you are doing:

I disagree with the feedback you keep leaving. Do you now trust him because someone else does not? Read what the ratings say...

Positive - You trust this person or had a successful trade.
Neutral - Comments. Your rating will not affect this person's trust score.
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

Not saying I agree with Wardrick's feedback, but offset or comments are supposed to be neutral. I also do not agree with the Dooglus loan either. I do think Tspacepilot has been targeted a bit, but 2 wrongs do not make a right imo.

Wardrick, what did you even change from the 2nd feedback to the 3rd one..looks about the same to me.

Slightly off-topic and no serious evidence backing the claim,

there is speculation that Wardrick's 5 yo grand kid might be operating his account. 

I assume there must have been weight behind that accusation as the exact same accusation has been made against me by tspacepilot.

So let me see if I have this straight:

Wardrick appears out of nowhere and adds negative feedback to tspacepilot
for something that happened a long time ago, and it just so happened
to be at the same time that Quicksellers default negative trust was removed...

..and it just so happened that he decided to edit his feedback after I posted feedback
and it just so happened that after I added a second positive, he needed to edit it again,
and it just so happened that he's warning us he has another negative feedback to post
about another incident, that for some reason he didn't add so far.

Sounds legit.

I don't know who you're talking about, but unless he speaks fluent Greek and frequents the Greek board then we have nothing in common. Now please stop trying to derail this post by spewing baseless accusation againsts me.

Who are you an alt of? why do you care about this issue so much? I suspect you are TF, he's the only person who would care about this. Clearly you must be him.

He posted the rating thrice, he also took information out of it.

The above is the original rating. Not only did he not address ratings he was trying to counter when he deleted and reposted, but he deleted and posted again after someone else tryied to counter him. The latest two are just low effort attempts to negate the latest positive ratings. BadBear, see what kind of immature person you're putting in DT?

So you've decided to inherit the persecution of tspacepilot job, eh?  Nice legacy: Tradefortress --> Quickseller --> Wardrick!

No it wasn't the same feedback, the text was changed each time. I really want to change it one more time to expand upon it, but I won't if you're going to accuse me of gaming the system.

I believe another incident involving tspacepliot may warrant a second rating from me however, just a heads up that I may leave another one due to a separate issue. Theymos said before that leaving multiple feedbacks like that is fine.

Wardrick, you already edited your feedback for tspacepilot once.  I would suggest you refrain from editing it again because more than one person suspects you of trying to game the trust system. 

There is no way we can edit our trust feedback. Either we can delete or keep as it is or give another feedback.

It's clear what wardrick intention.