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Topic: The Legend of Satoshi Nakamato, FINAL STEP PUBLISHED.... 4.87 BTC GRAND PRIZE! - page 37. (Read 108519 times)

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The two missing flames is a good theory and deserves to be tried.  I'm going to share the path I attempted which assumes there is no missing data.

If you interpret the data stream 6 bits at a time, with the traversal path I outlined in a previous post, you get strings that look like this:

Code:
UTCUGYUYBFCYYYFUUTCYBGCFU2Mnsq3?cqkarYvtusft8c30rxBEB?FxwHn1tVRjXHFdQ?RYiUKh 
UTCUGYUYBFCYYYFUUTCYBGCFU9ukq?YS3u4Erbiz10JY?a?enBZNCVm1oy?ByVQ?V?DimryqomWs
UTCUGYUYBFCYYYFUUTCYBGCFU2Mnsq3?cqkarYvtusft8c30rxAsv4r9ApK?DcgNaprUh1gZPdnQ
EgEG6Gn6nngGppn86GnppEn6nd?cQHrytSLCtk?cav4rxH4LnBZNCTQyU?heqAzMR?D3uApnq?Kr
deudqZdZvruZZZrddeuZvqurdrMnsq3?cqkarYvtusft8c30rxAsv4r9ApK?DcgNaprUh1gZPdnQ
deudqZdZvruZZZrddeuZvqurdxCMG5Zf?C?sFWP7?6oZ3X2TKvVNCVm1oy?ByVQ?V?DimryqomWs

(Here, I've concatenated all the data starting with lengths, then inner, then outer colors in the order of the pattern. This is just ONE of a many ways of concatenating the data. Just for demonstration purposes, I used a base 58 alphabet here and use ? when the value goes beyond 58.  By no means is this a complete list).

Now, due to the pattern in the lengths, the beginning part sticks out like a sore thumb because there are actually only 8 possible combinations for 6 bits when you fix 3 of them (0.1.1.).  Turns out only 7 are actually used.  That's why the characters repeat. So let's split the strings where the repeated characters end:

Code:
EgEG6Gn6nngGppn86GnppEn6n d?cQHrytSLCtk?cav4rxH4LnBZNCTQyU?heqAzMR?D3uApnq?Kr
UTCUGYUYBFCYYYFUUTCYBGCFU 2Mnsq3?cqkarYvtusft8c30rxBEB?FxwHn1tVRjXHFdQ?RYiUKh
UTCUGYUYBFCYYYFUUTCYBGCFU 9ukq?YS3u4Erbiz10JY?a?enBZNCVm1oy?ByVQ?V?DimryqomWs
UTCUGYUYBFCYYYFUUTCYBGCFU 2Mnsq3?cqkarYvtusft8c30rxAsv4r9ApK?DcgNaprUh1gZPdnQ
deudqZdZvruZZZrddeuZvqurd rMnsq3?cqkarYvtusft8c30rxAsv4r9ApK?DcgNaprUh1gZPdnQ
deudqZdZvruZZZrddeuZvqurd xCMG5Zf?C?sFWP7?6oZ3X2TKvVNCVm1oy?ByVQ?V?DimryqomWs

Oh look, you end up with exactly 51 characters left over after the pattern ends.  (Note: This actually means that you start taking 'key' bits while two bits away from the end of the lengths but I don't think that really matters. That could be the tricky part. There's no reason the key needs to start exactly on a boundary between lengths and colors, for example.)

So my theory is that the first part is supposed to be used as a key to deciphering the second part.  Of course, if you leave the lengths to the end, then the whole thing gets reversed but you end up with the same situation.  Basically, 51 *ciphered* characters representing the bitcoin key, then another key to deciphering THAT key. If you try this, you will of course have to keep the values those '?' represent in my examples so you can apply math operations on them.  I think once you do the right math, everything will fall within 0-57 as expected.

So in short, my theory is:

Flames = FlameEncode(cipherkey + Cipher(bitcoinpk, cipherkey))
or
Flames = FlameEncode(Cipher(bitcoinpk, cipherkey) + cipherkey)

I've tried many operations trying to use those 25 characters as a deciphering key for the 2nd part with no luck (add, subtract, xor, bit shifting, even hill cipher 5x5 matrix).

Good luck!

[edit : This theory means the cipher key has no meaning. It doesn't have to have any meaning. It was chosen to be conspicuous so you can separate it from the random data which is the bitcoin key]
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And my personal opinion after some thinking. This puzzle won't be solved. I don't know if it is on purpose or simple mistake, but think about it. Only one person benefiting from it it is creator and we are all wasting time. 3 years!!! Really?!

+1
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You may find it surprising, but some nerds actually enjoy hard, almost unsolvable things. The harder it is the more enjoyable is time spent here.

This
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I'm used to walls of frustration. It comes with the hobby. This puzzle at least has produced interesting conclusions within a week. Some puzzles I've looked at, have produced nothing for years.
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^ Will code for Bitcoins
i am not sad because i can't solve this puzzle and take the money, i'll be so happy if anyone deserves the prize win, but i am sad because people still wasting their precious time thinking in a logical wrong way trying to solve this biggest troll after almost 3 years!

The only way for you not to be sad is to leave us here to waste our time, and not waste your precious time on this at all. Do you consider us idiots so you know better what should we do with our time then ourselves?

Please stop this conspiracy theories, either try to contribute something useful or leave if you do not enjoy the puzzle. You may find it surprising, but some nerds actually enjoy hard, almost unsolvable things. The harder it is the more enjoyable is time spent here.
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What the fuck did I just read
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Wow!

That is great, meaningul and logical post. Great reading, thank you!

though i believe that sini is an honest member trying to share something useful but his long post is completely useless! why?,  simply because he thinks in a logical way!

this puzzle is not difficult..(difficult means it requires time, effort, thinking in a logical way, working in teams, solving in order steps 1 leads to 2 then 3,4,5...etc
but this is not the case at all in this puzzle (in fact it's a big troll) and all those who have thought in a logical way failed and still they are failing after 3 years! why?!

because simply if you think in a logical way you are highly probable wrong and will fail and waste your time, not because it's difficult but those trolls who created this puzzle embedded things in an extremely highly unpredictable crazy way! so that its impossible to see those embedded things.

you must think in a highly crazy unlogical way to get only one fraction of the solution!
turn your brain on and think about that, you see that white piece on the board and your brain tells you that this is queen, right? wrong! as this piece is simply Alice and you need that letter A and you must think in crazy way and you should be crazy lucky to find those characters ea oem 011 and arrange them correctly to get only a small fraction of this puzzle!
you see those green things and your brain tells you that those are leaves and you start to count them, right? again you are wrong! those are not leaves!

your eyes see those colored beautiful ordered flames and your brain tells you to count them and arrange them according to their lengths, colors... etc ... and you are on the wrong way!!
the flames don't hold the solution (maybe they only represents 10% of the puzzle) and you don't need all of them! and again you have to think in a crazy fucking way that only those trolls who created this puzzle know!
even the colors.. who told you that there is only blue,red,green, yellow,orange?
don't you see that each of those colors has many gradients (light green, dark green, dark blue, purple...etc)

i am not sad because i can't solve this puzzle and take the money, i'll be so happy if anyone deserves the prize win, but i am sad because people still wasting their precious time thinking in a logical wrong way trying to solve this biggest troll after almost 3 years!

the only one who benefits from that is coin artist (or better Coin Troll)

legendary
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^ Will code for Bitcoins
Also, the repeatling pattern alphabetcanary found is most definitely 100% there. It's going one direction in the inner ring and the opposite direction in the outer. So at the very least, the lengths of the even flames do not encode information. The colors still could, but that changes your count..., something to consider.

I agree that pattern alphabetcanary found changes everything. Since we are looking for vanity address, the pattern could not be part of the key unless we imagine that author developed special software that would make a key that hashes to 1FLAME, and in the same time puts a pattern inside the key, which is a borderline impossible regarding the length of the pattern. Conclusion is that pattern breaks the reading of the flames, and understanding the pattern is necessary to understand how the flames should be read. Or the pattern could be the actual reading and everything else in the flames is not important, which doesn't seem likely but is possible. In any case IMHO the flames are unusable until we understand why the pattern is there and what does it represent.
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5). We begin to look at the requirements for the output. We see that this is closest to the WIF format. Given we know WIF is base 58 we can do a calculation to know the minimum amount of information needed to express one character:

ceil(log2(58)) = 6 bits

6 bits * 51 characters = 306 bits

So given, if the flames were used to encode a WIF string you'd need 2 flames for each character.



Actually WIF requires 304 bits which is (so it happens) 38 bytes which is 32 bytes for the 64hex private key format+1 byte (x80 header)+1 byte (x01 footer) + 4 bytes checksum. This is why 152-flames-coding-two-bits-only theory (with bits coded by inner&outer color and using length only as a pacemaker) was so appealing to many.


- 2 missing symbols represents the death of the phoenix and turtle dove.


I am sorry to have written the end to your theory of two missing flames symbolizing two loving souls. It was beautiful but unsound.

I'll give a fairly big hint. There's two missing flames in the inner ring. Beyond that, the way things are encoded is a mystery. But that should be enough, if you can reason with the theme of the poem, to catch up with what he's likely talking about.

Are those the two flames supposedly representing the death of the phoenix and turtle dove?

One more point. You published a nice google document with some information on missing flames in the outer border. The document has been subsequently edited with the relevant information removed. What is really your group's purpose ?

I used 6 bits assuming that each character was encoded using a fixed length (see Bacon Cipher). I edited it (I only have editing permissions) because I did not have conclusive evidence to keep it in the document. The document is my personal platform for notes, what I see as distracting or misleading I remove.

Edit: Are you assuming compressed private key?
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5). We begin to look at the requirements for the output. We see that this is closest to the WIF format. Given we know WIF is base 58 we can do a calculation to know the minimum amount of information needed to express one character:

ceil(log2(58)) = 6 bits

6 bits * 51 characters = 306 bits

So given, if the flames were used to encode a WIF string you'd need 2 flames for each character.



Actually WIF requires 304 bits which is (so it happens) 38 bytes which is 32 bytes for the 64hex private key format+1 byte (x80 header)+1 byte (x01 footer) + 4 bytes checksum. This is why 152-flames-coding-two-bits-only theory (with bits coded by inner&outer color and using length only as a pacemaker) was so appealing to many.


- 2 missing symbols represents the death of the phoenix and turtle dove.


I am sorry to have written the end to your theory of two missing flames symbolizing two loving souls. It was beautiful but unsound.

I'll give a fairly big hint. There's two missing flames in the inner ring. Beyond that, the way things are encoded is a mystery. But that should be enough, if you can reason with the theme of the poem, to catch up with what he's likely talking about.

Are those the two flames supposedly representing the death of the phoenix and turtle dove?

One more point. You published a nice google document with some information on missing flames in the outer border. The document has been subsequently edited with the relevant information removed. What is really your group's purpose ?
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Come up with a better argument then.
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(All WIF start with '5')
Are you forgetting about compressed keys? The corresponding WIF for these are 52 characters long and start with L or K.
I made assumptions. This is one assumption I made, is that she didn't use a compressed WIF.
We know coin_artist likes to mix things up, so I think that assumption is not valid.
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(All WIF start with '5')
Are you forgetting about compressed keys? The corresponding WIF for these are 52 characters long and start with L or K.

I made assumptions. This is one assumption I made, is that she didn't use a compressed WIF.


Also, the repeatling pattern alphabetcanary found is most definitely 100% there. It's going one direction in the inner ring and the opposite direction in the outer. So at the very least, the lengths of the even flames do not encode information. The colors still could, but that changes your count..., something to consider.
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(All WIF start with '5')
Are you forgetting about compressed keys? The corresponding WIF for these are 52 characters long and start with L or K.

I made assumptions. This is one assumption I made, is that she didn't use a compressed WIF.
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(All WIF start with '5')
Are you forgetting about compressed keys? The corresponding WIF for these are 52 characters long and start with L or K.
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Wow!

That is great, meaningul and logical post. Great reading, thank you!
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Further reading, and not-as-strong connections include the Bacon Cipher which is connected to Shakespeare.
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I'll give a fairly big hint. There's two missing flames in the inner ring.

Please explain. You mean there should be 100 not 98 ?

And offtopic from me, maybe possible reason why people don't write much anymore:
1. because there are still many dead ends and noone moved even an inch and
2. there is so much bull..it posted that you can't image. So many posts since last month, so many bragging and fairy tales (Oooooh, I am so close, everyone give up, I have this worked up but it's a secret) or even encoded messagges. Come on! One big junkyard, nothing really useful. Right now this thread is one big trash, I used to check it every few hours and since few last days I don't.

And my personal opinion after some thinking. This puzzle won't be solved. I don't know if it is on purpose or simple mistake, but think about it. Only one person benefiting from it it is creator and we are all wasting time. 3 years!!! Really?!
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anybody want to share to me what cryptographic method used in the flames? maybe a hint?
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freenode ##paintingsolvers for the interested. we have a handful of cicada solvers chatting about it.

how can i join this group?

You could start by googling freenode (http://webchat.freenode.net/), and then joining the channel he mentioned.

They've got a google doc with a few things that have been posted here. Didn't see anyone chatting when I checked, but maybe it's only busy during certain hours.
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