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Topic: The logic of man in this devastating crisis - page 2. (Read 270 times)

legendary
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new topic same BS from badecker

seems he took one step forward and is now going back to old january scripts again.
seems badecker is stuck in the past yet again

he doesnt realise that the statistics for upto april. were released in May because it is May right now
its not january. its not looking at future predictions. but looking at actual numbers of actual deaths.

what he also doesnt realise is and keep forgetting is the facts.
that U.S CDC and UK ONS have higher numbers than the US department of health and UK department for health

media is actually publishing the lower numbers from health departments that show only those deaths of actually caused by symptoms that progressed because of covid.

EG a car crash death due to crush injuries but covid asymptomaticly tested positive wont be a covid death.

so many times badecker needs to be reminded of facts. because he keeps trying to forget facts in new topics

yea badecker says 'medical evidence' but his freeman cult worship groups and anti-vaxx fangirls are not saying the medical evidence. they are saying their opinion based on random information they take out of context

but i know one thing for sure.
badecker will just enter another topic and pretend he never got corrected and just try to advertise his commercial group wanting people to buy into stupid stuff
legendary
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At https://www.statista.com/statistics/263754/total-population-of-the-united-kingdom/ you can view the total UK population from 2014 to 2024. What!? How do they know what the population will be in '20, '21, '22, '23, and 2024? Crystal ball?
Huh Not sure of the relevance of this. From your link:
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The statistic shows the total population in the United Kingdom from 2014 to 2018, with projections up until 2024.
... so it's not a crystal ball, it's a (mathematical) projection.

Why are you interested in 2024? In the charts I shared 'Apr 24' simply means 24th day of April, not the year 2024. Red line is this year, grey line average of recent years.

We all need to think better. Have you ever seen the little statement: "82.4% of statistics are made up on the fly," or some other such statement?

If they can make up statistics for 2024, maybe they made up the stats for 2018. How do you know what anything means regarding stats?

Sure, the little people in the various localities are probably reasonably honest. The tell their superiors what the stats are that they, personally worked with. But by the time it gets to the top to get printed on the Internet, how do you know those stats haven't been massaged in some way by some man in between?, or by the main man who runs/authorizes what gets put up on the website?

For example. You personally might not like the movie Plandemic. But Google, Facebook, Youtube, and others, are censoring it as much as possible. Yet, it has loads of good info in it, and tons of info that is just statistics (like the ones in the posts above), and isn't irritable at all.

If they can do this, why not the statistics makers in the statistics websites? After all, you trust them. All they have to do is hide from you the fact that they might be manipulating the statistics.

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legendary
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At https://www.statista.com/statistics/263754/total-population-of-the-united-kingdom/ you can view the total UK population from 2014 to 2024. What!? How do they know what the population will be in '20, '21, '22, '23, and 2024? Crystal ball?
Huh Not sure of the relevance of this. From your link:
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The statistic shows the total population in the United Kingdom from 2014 to 2018, with projections up until 2024.
... so it's not a crystal ball, it's a (mathematical) projection.

Why are you interested in 2024? In the charts I shared 'Apr 24' simply means 24th day of April, not the year 2024. Red line is this year, grey line average of recent years.
newbie
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Sorry mate , I was still editing it and accidentally clicked post
legendary
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At https://www.statista.com/statistics/263754/total-population-of-the-united-kingdom/ you can view the total UK population from 2014 to 2024. What!? How do they know what the population will be in '20, '21, '22, '23, and 2024? Crystal ball?

However, you can see that the population is growing. So, why not the deaths, as well? If the deaths weren't growing, the population would be growing a lot faster.

Must be fun counting ahead.

Cool

In order to count or estimate the probable population, the government do statistics and its commonly known as "census". Through this process the government can plan out projects and how to allocate the budget for each year. Now

source for usage of census: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-10973-8_2

Time to do death stats ahead and see how they match with Covid around.

Census doesn't come to my apartment. They go to the office and get the statistics for everybody in the complex.

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newbie
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At https://www.statista.com/statistics/263754/total-population-of-the-united-kingdom/ you can view the total UK population from 2014 to 2024. What!? How do they know what the population will be in '20, '21, '22, '23, and 2024? Crystal ball?

However, you can see that the population is growing. So, why not the deaths, as well? If the deaths weren't growing, the population would be growing a lot faster.

Must be fun counting ahead.

Cool

In order to count or estimate the probable population, the government do statistics and its commonly known as "census". Through this process the government can plan out projects and how to allocate the budget for each year. Now if you will look at the image below, it shows japan's population. Now lets say the virus killed at least 1/4 or 1/2 of the population, either young or old. If that is the case, then japan would suffer a great depression because those killed are part of the working force of their economy.  Yearly there are deaths and it is replaced by new members of the society ( although japan have a different case)

https://images.populationpyramid.net/capture/?selector=%23pyramid-share-container&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.populationpyramid.net/japan/2019/%3Fshare%3Dtrue

source for usage of census: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-10973-8_2
legendary
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^^^ Proof?

Apologies, I normally provide a source but forgot to in this instance. Figures are from the Office of National Statistics. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths

If you want more detail, this is probably a clearer example:
https://www.ft.com/content/40fc8904-febf-4a66-8d1c-ea3e48bbc034



Note - excess mortality is higher in some parts of the UK than in others - but there is an excess in every region.

I know what's coming next - no, I didn't count the individual deaths myself, so I am relying on data obtained by professionals.
Just do a Google image search for 'excess deaths 2020' or similar.



At https://www.statista.com/statistics/263754/total-population-of-the-united-kingdom/ you can view the total UK population from 2014 to 2024. What!? How do they know what the population will be in '20, '21, '22, '23, and 2024? Crystal ball?

However, you can see that the population is growing. So, why not the deaths, as well? If the deaths weren't growing, the population would be growing a lot faster.

Must be fun counting ahead.

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legendary
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Merit: 1277
^^^ Proof?

Apologies, I normally provide a source but forgot to in this instance. Figures are from the Office of National Statistics. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths

If you want more detail, this is probably a clearer example:
https://www.ft.com/content/40fc8904-febf-4a66-8d1c-ea3e48bbc034



Note - excess mortality is higher in some parts of the UK than in others - but there is an excess in every region.

I know what's coming next - no, I didn't count the individual deaths myself, so I am relying on data obtained by professionals.
Just do a Google image search for 'excess deaths 2020' or similar.

legendary
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^^^ Proof?

However, the death pandemic has worked so well so far, that only about 7.4 billion of all the people who have ever lived, are still alive. And most of these will be dead within about 75 years.

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legendary
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The answer is that the pandemic is simply a pandemic of fear. What it isn't is a pandemic of Covid-19.
When you put all the medical info together, you will see that people are dying of loads of things other than Covid, but that the medical and government are attributing the deaths to Covid rather than what the people are really dying from.

If you don't believe it, then why not look at total deaths irrespective of attributed cause? Here's the UK total deaths over the last 4 months, compared with the 5-year average.
Something has killed large numbers of people in April 2020. What do you think that might be?





legendary
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The answer is that the pandemic is simply a pandemic of fear. What it isn't is a pandemic of Covid-19.

When you put all the medical info together, you will see that people are dying of loads of things other than Covid, but that the medical and government are attributing the deaths to Covid rather than what the people are really dying from.

When people realize this, because some of them have gone out and mingled, they start to get back to the business of life. The timidly fearful remain huddled in their lockdowns. And that's okay. We don't need their fear contaminating society.


"Shocking": Americans Flood Beaches, Trampling Social Distancing Rules



The battle between staying sane while cooped up in a home for months versus the ongoing pandemic is a challenging situation to balance. While some are venturing outside in absolute horror, others are putting their party face on and disregarding local public health orders.

Thousands of vacationers, few with masks and ignoring social distancing rules, flocked to Ocean City, Maryland for Memorial Day weekend. This comes as COVID-19 cases in the state topped 45,000, with the number of people hospitalized leveling off in the past several weeks.

On Saturday, WJZ-TV's Mike Hellgren documented dense crowds wandering the boardwalk, many of whom were wearing no masks nor had any intention of staying six feet apart from one another.


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newbie
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We are all greatly affected by this Pandemic, amidst this crisis how come some people cant follow simple instructions given to them by the government. Yes the government is corrupt and all but what can we do about their slow progress. In our country rapid testing to high volume infected places haven't even started yet.  Given the situation, how come man can still go out without a face mask, go to their neighbor and gossip till the sun goes down. To a certain degree, many people here in my country lack in education background but information about the virus is spoon fed to them, how come they still fail to comply.
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