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newbie
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April 25, 2013, 11:46:08 AM
#31
you're forgeting abou the al-mighty-BBQ, which will shake the worldwide economy!
legendary
Activity: 1205
Merit: 1010
April 25, 2013, 11:42:44 AM
#30
Sunny, can you please confirm if PPC will inflate around 1% for all eternity, due to POS? Some users think this is the case, and others believe that PPC minting will stop completely like Bitcoin.

Maybe, but 1% is only an upper bound for proof-of-stake inflation. Remember transaction fees are destroyed as well, so it's hard to predict the future.

People get too hang up on inflation I think. It doesn't really matter that inflation is at 0% or 1%, are you really planning to hoard bitcoin for 100 years? I designed ppcoin's inflation model to resemble gold. I believe gold's scarcity property is good enough, no need to go to extreme like bitcoin's hard cap, not to mention it could potentially cause stress on bitcoin's transaction fee model in the long term.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1015
April 25, 2013, 11:31:47 AM
#29

see this is exactly why I think PPC could do it so many people have not read in depth and thought about it.

take a proper look at the 2 billion thats purely hypothetical.....new coin generation stopped dead around the 25th of march

take a look

http://www.proofofstake.com/

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Andy's site probably stopped reading data (maybe he didn't upgrade to v0.3, haven't seen him for a long time).

Inflation in ppcoin hasn't stopped, although it's approaching lower inflation faster than litecoin does at the moment (litecoin ~60%, ppcoin ~ 50% at the moment).

Sunny, can you please confirm if PPC will inflate around 1% for all eternity, due to POS? Some users think this is the case, and others believe that PPC minting will stop completely like Bitcoin.
legendary
Activity: 1205
Merit: 1010
April 25, 2013, 11:26:32 AM
#28

see this is exactly why I think PPC could do it so many people have not read in depth and thought about it.

take a proper look at the 2 billion thats purely hypothetical.....new coin generation stopped dead around the 25th of march

take a look

http://www.proofofstake.com/

(takes a while to load)


Andy's site probably stopped reading data (maybe he didn't upgrade to v0.3, haven't seen him for a long time).

Inflation in ppcoin hasn't stopped, although it's approaching lower inflation faster than litecoin does at the moment (litecoin ~60%, ppcoin ~ 50% at the moment).
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
Its as easy as 0, 1, 1, 2, 3
April 25, 2013, 11:22:28 AM
#27
Now if only ppc's dev would publish any documentation explaining his code instead of trolling on sockpuppets saying oh this is the best thing ever. Everyone look at my PP its beautiful touch it!
legendary
Activity: 2632
Merit: 1023
April 25, 2013, 11:14:17 AM
#26
PPC needs to work out the checkpoint issue and also someone mentioned that POS can still be gamed.

I like the idea of PPC but there are still issues.

Also PPC can never be 1:1 with Bitcoin unless Bitcoin actually fails, because there are already more PPC than Bitcoins in existence.

yes but it appears there will be some 2 million less PPC all told...I may be wrong

2 million less? I may be mistaken but at the moment there are more PPC than BTC and PPC will continue to expand the currency supply quicker than BTC for all eternity, being as there is no upper limit for PPC*.

*There is a 2 billion upper limit but its meant to be unlimited.

That means if both PPC and BTC continue to exist BTC will always be more valuable because there will always be more PPC, unless BTC fails and PPC doesn't


see this is exactly why I think PPC could do it so many people have not read in depth and thought about it.

take a proper look at the 2 billion thats purely hypothetical.....new coin generation stopped dead around the 25th of march

take a look

http://www.proofofstake.com/

(takes a while to load)


Now I am really confused, the POS is not meant to stop, Sunny intends POS to mint 1% inflation forever. If its stopped then something is wrong. Right?

nope.jpg

this is exactly why I think PPC has potential people skim the headlines but don't look at the detail....!
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1015
April 25, 2013, 11:05:25 AM
#25
PPC needs to work out the checkpoint issue and also someone mentioned that POS can still be gamed.

I like the idea of PPC but there are still issues.

Also PPC can never be 1:1 with Bitcoin unless Bitcoin actually fails, because there are already more PPC than Bitcoins in existence.

yes but it appears there will be some 2 million less PPC all told...I may be wrong

2 million less? I may be mistaken but at the moment there are more PPC than BTC and PPC will continue to expand the currency supply quicker than BTC for all eternity, being as there is no upper limit for PPC*.

*There is a 2 billion upper limit but its meant to be unlimited.

That means if both PPC and BTC continue to exist BTC will always be more valuable because there will always be more PPC, unless BTC fails and PPC doesn't


see this is exactly why I think PPC could do it so many people have not read in depth and thought about it.

take a proper look at the 2 billion thats purely hypothetical.....new coin generation stopped dead around the 25th of march

take a look

http://www.proofofstake.com/

(takes a while to load)


Now I am really confused, the POS is not meant to stop, Sunny intends POS to mint 1% inflation forever. If its stopped then something is wrong. Right?
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1007
April 25, 2013, 10:48:37 AM
#24
http://www.proofofstake.com/

(takes a while to load)


(how come? does it first have to do some proof of work?  Huh)
legendary
Activity: 2632
Merit: 1023
April 25, 2013, 10:26:15 AM
#23
PPC needs to work out the checkpoint issue and also someone mentioned that POS can still be gamed.

I like the idea of PPC but there are still issues.

Also PPC can never be 1:1 with Bitcoin unless Bitcoin actually fails, because there are already more PPC than Bitcoins in existence.

yes but it appears there will be some 2 million less PPC all told...I may be wrong

2 million less? I may be mistaken but at the moment there are more PPC than BTC and PPC will continue to expand the currency supply quicker than BTC for all eternity, being as there is no upper limit for PPC*.

*There is a 2 billion upper limit but its meant to be unlimited.

That means if both PPC and BTC continue to exist BTC will always be more valuable because there will always be more PPC, unless BTC fails and PPC doesn't


see this is exactly why I think PPC could do it so many people have not read in depth and thought about it.

take a proper look at the 2 billion thats purely hypothetical.....new coin generation stopped dead around the 25th of march

take a look

http://www.proofofstake.com/

(takes a while to load)



full member
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CoinTropolis
April 25, 2013, 10:14:13 AM
#22
Let the market decide, period.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1015
April 25, 2013, 10:12:48 AM
#21
PPC needs to work out the checkpoint issue and also someone mentioned that POS can still be gamed.

I like the idea of PPC but there are still issues.

Also PPC can never be 1:1 with Bitcoin unless Bitcoin actually fails, because there are already more PPC than Bitcoins in existence.

yes but it appears there will be some 2 million less PPC all told...I may be wrong

2 million less? I may be mistaken but at the moment there are more PPC than BTC and PPC will continue to expand the currency supply quicker than BTC for all eternity, being as there is no upper limit for PPC*.

*There is a 2 billion upper limit but its meant to be unlimited.

That means if both PPC and BTC continue to exist BTC will always be more valuable because there will always be more PPC, unless BTC fails and PPC doesn't
newbie
Activity: 53
Merit: 0
April 25, 2013, 09:57:43 AM
#20

With the ASICs coming we need a currency for new people to adjust to the idea of mining and understand that a central authority does not issue money in the future.

This lets new people better participate and accept what for many will be a major psychological change in their minds regarding "what is money?" and its decentralization.

Bitcoin needs Litecoin and other alts whether the elitists admit it or not.  It is a useful exercise for new people to be able to participate in the generation of "money."



Well said!  The democratization of crypto-currencies will be ensured with grass-roots involvement (mining) by its users.
legendary
Activity: 2632
Merit: 1023
April 25, 2013, 09:48:24 AM
#19
PPC needs to work out the checkpoint issue and also someone mentioned that POS can still be gamed.

I like the idea of PPC but there are still issues.

Also PPC can never be 1:1 with Bitcoin unless Bitcoin actually fails, because there are already more PPC than Bitcoins in existence.

yes but it appears there will be some 2 million less PPC all told...I may be wrong
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1015
April 25, 2013, 07:41:51 AM
#18
PPC needs to work out the checkpoint issue and also someone mentioned that POS can still be gamed.

I like the idea of PPC but there are still issues.

Also PPC can never be 1:1 with Bitcoin unless Bitcoin actually fails, because there are already more PPC than Bitcoins in existence.
legendary
Activity: 1420
Merit: 1010
April 25, 2013, 06:49:59 AM
#17
Yes and VHS got accepted because the porn industry chose VHS over Betamax.

So all we need to do is get the porn industry to accept LTC. That'll skyrocket the price.

VHS only won because the the size of the it meant a bigger hole for kids to post their hot wheels cars into the VHS player Grin
this post needs a bump Tongue that has toi be the best reason i ever heard to why VHS beat Betamax Smiley


also...

My view is that CC's as a concept have a total market penetration value. Thus LTC will suck out value from BTC to the level of LTC success v BTC success in that market penetration, and so on.

Further exchanges like BTC-e will be forced to list more coins as they lose market share to gox. same with Vircurex

so FC and BYTE will be listed.

either we all sexually deprived, or that is all we have on our minds in this thread!!
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
April 25, 2013, 05:34:00 AM
#16
I rather pay with coins and be more anonymous than using my CreditCard with full name. And its not refundable.. so its should be a good option for the porn industry in my eyes
legendary
Activity: 2632
Merit: 1023
April 25, 2013, 05:16:10 AM
#15
Yes and VHS got accepted because the porn industry chose VHS over Betamax.

So all we need to do is get the porn industry to accept LTC. That'll skyrocket the price.


This is a good point.....
legendary
Activity: 2632
Merit: 1023
April 25, 2013, 05:15:27 AM
#14
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PPC however I think will take the crown from BTC.


I am curious why you say that

I humbly suggest do a little reading on PPC digest it all...

It has some rather large advantages....the BTC may have to adopt...

Betamax had some rather large advantages over VHS.

hahaaa well played....

VHS/BETA = BTC/LTC

but CD/DVD then HD, and now SSD USB sticks sent them both to the grave
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1000
April 25, 2013, 05:09:33 AM
#13
Yes and VHS got accepted because the porn industry chose VHS over Betamax.

So all we need to do is get the porn industry to accept LTC. That'll skyrocket the price.

VHS only won because the the size of the it meant a bigger hole for kids to post their hot wheels cars into the VHS player Grin
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
April 25, 2013, 05:05:05 AM
#12
Yes and VHS got accepted because the porn industry chose VHS over Betamax.

So all we need to do is get the porn industry to accept LTC. That'll skyrocket the price.
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