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Topic: The man does have a point - Roger Ver - page 2. (Read 1453 times)

vip
Activity: 1052
Merit: 1155
March 19, 2017, 02:14:04 AM
#10
One thing that stands out in OP's youtube video, is Roger Ver saying he wants bitcoin to compete with credit cards in terms of transaction speed and fees so that "everyone can use it".

That's kind of like saying he wants to make encrypted WIFI fast enough to play video games as well as an FIOS hardline.

He doesn't seem to have a plan or idea on how to achieve this.

He doesn't seem to understand encryption based technologies like bitcoin will never be as fast as credit cards, for the same reasons that encrypted WIFI will always be much slower than using an unencrypted hardline for gaming.

He seems to think that if he continues to increase block size, he'll eventually reach a point where bitcoin can execute thousands of transactions per second, like credit cards do.

It seems like a bad plan created by a person who lacks the technical background to be involved with making key bitcoin design decisions.

Great job putting words in my mouth.
Layer two technologies will allow Bitcoin to compete with Credit Cards.
My main point is that we shouldn't damage layer one's usability today in order to force people onto layer two.  They'll just be forced into altcoins anyhow. (As we are seeing)

BU's roadmap preserves layer one.  Core's roadmap intentionally damages layer one.
It is clear to me which path is the safer one.
newbie
Activity: 32
Merit: 0
March 18, 2017, 09:15:11 PM
#9
He has no technical knowing of programming he is just a speculator. And now he's trying to centralize bitcoin in the hands of Jihan and other corrupt chinese miners
legendary
Activity: 2562
Merit: 1441
March 18, 2017, 09:09:35 PM
#8
One thing that stands out in OP's youtube video, is Roger Ver saying he wants bitcoin to compete with credit cards in terms of transaction speed and fees so that "everyone can use it".

That's kind of like saying he wants to make encrypted WIFI fast enough to play video games as well as an FIOS hardline.

He doesn't seem to have a plan or idea on how to achieve this.

He doesn't seem to understand encryption based technologies like bitcoin will never be as fast as credit cards, for the same reasons that encrypted WIFI will always be much slower than using an unencrypted hardline for gaming.

He seems to think that if he continues to increase block size, he'll eventually reach a point where bitcoin can execute thousands of transactions per second, like credit cards do.

It seems like a bad plan created by a person who lacks the technical background to be involved with making key bitcoin design decisions.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
March 18, 2017, 08:53:55 PM
#7
He's risking bitcoin's stability & credibility without quantifying what type of real world gains a 2MB block size could yield.

That's like buying a refrigerator without measuring to see if it fits in your kitchen 1st.

This guy is supposed to be smart?   Undecided

no....that's like saying "don't give this guy who's choking on a piece of bread the heimlich maneuver...we really don't know what kind of 'real world gain's it might have to make sure he's able to keep breathing.

Your analogies are both too basic. It's more like a complex medical procedure that's under changes. Some people believe the old way is better with a 90% success rate but the new way promises 99.99%. The problem is no one knows the real side affects until the new complex procedure has started.

granted its basic but if you want to go down your road we also have to say the doctor singing the praises of the new way is also getting paid by the pharmaceutical company for the drugs he wants to give the patient...and that his 'procedure' is about 1000x as complicated as the old way which will almost work at least in the short term.
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4788
March 18, 2017, 08:39:53 PM
#6
He's risking bitcoin's stability & credibility without quantifying what type of real world gains a 2MB block size could yield.

That's like buying a refrigerator without measuring to see if it fits in your kitchen 1st.

This guy is supposed to be smart?   Undecided

no....that's like saying "don't give this guy who's choking on a piece of bread the heimlich maneuver...we really don't know what kind of 'real world gain's it might have to make sure he's able to keep breathing.

much like in 1996
"everyone dont let skype, activision, twitch, make their online platforms because dialup and 4gb hard drive limits of 1996"
much like in 2006
"everyone dont let skype, activision, twitch, make their online platforms because 1996 said it would be bad"
much like in 2016
"everyone dont let skype, activision, twitch, make their online platforms because 1996 and 2006 said it would be bad"
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1042
March 18, 2017, 08:36:43 PM
#5
He's risking bitcoin's stability & credibility without quantifying what type of real world gains a 2MB block size could yield.

That's like buying a refrigerator without measuring to see if it fits in your kitchen 1st.

This guy is supposed to be smart?   Undecided

no....that's like saying "don't give this guy who's choking on a piece of bread the heimlich maneuver...we really don't know what kind of 'real world gain's it might have to make sure he's able to keep breathing.

Your analogies are both too basic. It's more like a complex medical procedure that's under changes. Some people believe the old way is better with a 90% success rate but the new way promises 99.99%. The problem is no one knows the real side affects until the new complex procedure has started.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
March 18, 2017, 08:33:57 PM
#4
He's risking bitcoin's stability & credibility without quantifying what type of real world gains a 2MB block size could yield.

That's like buying a refrigerator without measuring to see if it fits in your kitchen 1st.

This guy is supposed to be smart?   Undecided

no....that's like saying "don't give this guy who's choking on a piece of bread the heimlich maneuver...we really don't know what kind of 'real world gain's it might have to make sure he's able to keep breathing.
hero member
Activity: 605
Merit: 500
March 18, 2017, 08:32:19 PM
#3
He's risking bitcoin's stability & credibility without quantifying what type of real world gains a 2MB block size could yield.

That's like buying a refrigerator without measuring to see if it fits in your kitchen 1st.

This guy is supposed to be smart?   Undecided

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't BU technically allows for up to 32 MB block size? I'm not clear on max possible block size in BU.
legendary
Activity: 2562
Merit: 1441
March 18, 2017, 08:04:50 PM
#2
He's risking bitcoin's stability & credibility without quantifying what type of real world gains a 2MB block size could yield.

That's like buying a refrigerator without measuring to see if it fits in your kitchen 1st.

This guy is supposed to be smart?   Undecided
hero member
Activity: 605
Merit: 500
March 18, 2017, 08:00:25 PM
#1
Even though I'm somewhat repulsed by cavalier attitude towards forking the most stable and conservative cryptocurrency system, I can't dismiss Roger Ver logic and rational thinking.

Warning: Interview is on altcoin channel and may contain adult material hazardous to your health.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIA8w5tfr70

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