The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD when compared to the 0.4.0 interface

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Quote from: MysteryMiner on December 04, 2011, 07:32:11 PM

changes:
1. The download of blockchain is displayed in statusbar. It's either progressimeter or percent counted.
2. Current bandwidth utilization
3. New Advanced menu with items such as "Manually Add Peer..." and "Rescan Blockchain" and other command-line only switches.

I tried to imagine and visualize how to improve the Qt version. But I figured out that it's like trying to make elephant fly like a colibri bird. It will never happen, the Qt version UI is so unergonomic and the Qt is not meant with MS windows UI in mind. So I see no way to make the current Bitcoin version as usable as it was in 0.4.0

1 and 2 are good ideas, but i think a graphical solution is still better. or both with a switch in the options menu. for most users, the numbers are just a little bit too much information. they just want to know if the connection is good and the blockchain is up to date. or not. rescan blockchain should also be in the avaible somewhere, alongside an explanation when it might help.

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I tried to imagine and visualize how to improve the Qt version. But I figured out that it's like trying to make elephant fly like a colibri bird. It will never happen, the Qt version UI is so unergonomic and the Qt is not meant with MS windows UI in mind. So I see no way to make the current Bitcoin version as usable as it was in 0.4.0

yeah well, whats the alternative? sticking to wxwidgets gui obviously nobody wants to maintain doesnt seem like a good plan either.

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Quote from: MysteryMiner on December 04, 2011, 07:32:11 PM

3. New Advanced menu with items such as "Manually Add Peer..." and "Rescan Blockchain" and other command-line only switches.

YES! I assume the peer menu would allow to view existing ones so we could add or remove. maybe also set a priority order as well. Rescan within client, hell yeah!

And for the love of all that is holy, make it so when we double click a trasnaction in the list it actually gives some useful info. Like, what friggin addy it was sent to and from!

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OK, here I got the quick, unpolished vision how 0.4.0 based client can be improved. Not so much changes, because it's already good as it is now.

changes:
1. The download of blockchain is displayed in statusbar. It's either progressimeter or percent counted.
2. Current bandwidth utilization
3. New Advanced menu with items such as "Manually Add Peer..." and "Rescan Blockchain" and other command-line only switches.

I tried to imagine and visualize how to improve the Qt version. But I figured out that it's like trying to make elephant fly like a colibri bird. It will never happen, the Qt version UI is so unergonomic and the Qt is not meant with MS windows UI in mind. So I see no way to make the current Bitcoin version as usable as it was in 0.4.0

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Wouldn't mentally changing the thread title from
"The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD!"
to
"The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD when compared to the 0.4.0 interface"
(which is pretty much implied already)
completely invalidate your criticism of their criticism?

Ok, changed the topic title.

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after received some coins, the address wont even be changed automatic.

Yes, I also seen that, but it's more to do with functionality than GUI. The Bitcoin is intended to use new adress for every recieved payment, so changing adress automatically is what Satoshi intended and implemented.

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Something I learned from GA at local occupy movement.

Unless you have a clear proposal that includes how you will make improvements on your complaints, your complaint will be ignored and not be presented to everyone for discussion.

So this thread is completely useless in that regard. Just complaining to complain hoping someone will care about your crying. Moving on.

My sugesstion is abandon Qt version completely and stick to 0.4.0 and add interface elements to that, not rework it from scratch. Sorry, I still have not made the mockups of my vision on wxwidgets version, I'm busy right now and Bitcoin is no more on my priority list. The Gavin will not change his mind, and will continiue on what he intended.

Besides that, my bitcoin 0.5.0 crashed twice in last days when computer was idling. This never happened even once with previous versions in last 9 months. I casually checked the crash reports and the adress pointers point to different random memory locations. This says much about the quality of 0.5.0 version.

The good news is that many people who use bitcoins for real purchases on silk road don't even run the software on they'r computers, they instead use web-based wallet services. I will not comeent about safety and anonimity of this practice on this topic, but this means that the change of interface to appeal to noobs are getting less important to success of Bitcoin. Bitcoin already are success!

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Quote from: Litt on November 29, 2011, 05:08:33 PM

Something I learned from GA at local occupy movement.

Unless you have a clear proposal that includes how you will make improvements on your complaints, your complaint will be ignored and not be presented to everyone for discussion.

So this thread is completely useless in that regard. Just complaining to complain hoping someone will care about your crying. Moving on.

Wouldn't mentally changing the thread title from
"The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD!"
to
"The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD when compared to the 0.4.0 interface"
(which is pretty much implied already)
completely invalidate your criticism of their criticism?

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Something I learned from GA at local occupy movement.

Unless you have a clear proposal that includes how you will make improvements on your complaints, your complaint will be ignored and not be presented to everyone for discussion.

So this thread is completely useless in that regard. Just complaining to complain hoping someone will care about your crying. Moving on.

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i am agree with the topic

the gui of new version 0.5 is suck.

address book + receive coins are useless. after received some coins, the address wont even be changed automatic.

user need to click on "receive coins", new,and copy. and there is no order in "receive coins". it makes many address mix up,thats sucks.

overview is weak too, 0.4 is much better than this one.

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Mmm... perfect software...

You notice how we aren't at Bitcoin version 1.0 yet? That the version is "0.5 BETA" ?

Did You notice that DC++ is still 0.782 version? If it was made by Google or Symantec, the same DC++ will be version 10 or 12 major version. Numbering in general does not represent usability or buginness of software. You will not get cake when releasing 1.0 version, Mozilla did not get one for Firefox 8.0 Cheesy

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the huge problem with the old GUI is we have no wxWidgets GUI programmers willing to support the old GUI.

Better to find new developer than use another GUI and screw the whole software up.

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OP is being just a little too nostalgic and afraid of change here.

Imagine, if You are a straight man and I will offer to sodomize You with big rubber dildo, I will tell that You are too nostalgic and afraid of change. This is not a valid argument at all. The software must be clean, fast, technical, easy to understand just by looking at it. It's like the MS Office 2000 compared to Office 2007 and Ribbon. Sure, both of them works, but my mother needed to completely relearn how to use office suite. I also had a trouble to find menu items for a first few days.

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Bitcoin 0.5.0 is very good and what's more important for Bitcoin's growth, it has user friendly interface!

The 0.40 did not have? Can You tell why it did not have?

I was away and busy for few days so no mockups of improvements on 0.4.0 exist for now. And thank's to all who donated to both my public and private adresses, so I thin'k I'm not alone with such concerns about Bitcoin future. There is a few nostalgic, afraid of change people, who don't like childish interfaces.

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I agree with some points in first post.
1) There is huge space waste in list of transactions and addresses. 2/3 of the line height would be fine.
2) I don't know about windows client, but on Ubuntu the sharp-edge boxes on overview page seems almost like a UI bug. (most visible using elementary gtk theme)
3) And I also don't like the splash screen.

Unfortunately I am not able to do anything about 1st and 2nd point, but here are some mockups of splash screen:
http://deafboy.cicolina.org/igelitka/btc-logo/

I was trying to find this topic yesterday without luck so I have posted it in older thread related to splash screen.

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I like the new Qt client, but I have to agree that the splash screen is corny. In my opinion it would be a lot more elegant to integrate the "Loading..."-phase into the GUI of the client, so the actual GUI can be shown immediately.

Simply save the balances and recent transactions to a file on exit. When the program starts up, show the GUI immediately with the old balances/transactions in a "disabled" window (everything greyed out) with a big "Loading wallet information..." and an animated icon on top of this to show that the application is still running. Then when the block chain etc. is loaded, replace the old cached balance/transactions with the newly parsed stuff and remove the "Loading"-text/icon.

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The switch to QT is the right decision. Does the UI need some (minor) improvements? Yes. Will we be seeing improvements? I'm confident we will.

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Bitcoin 0.5.0 is very good and what's more important for Bitcoin's growth, it has user friendly interface!

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I think the new UI is great!

I do think that it would be nice with more numbers and text directly, rather than having to hover to get information.

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Quote from: carlerha on November 22, 2011, 05:39:42 PM

OP is being just a little too nostalgic and afraid of change here.

As a general rule, accusing people of being "afraid of change" is an incredibly annoying and condescending way to dismiss their (potentially) valid concerns.

Quote from: carlerha on November 22, 2011, 05:39:42 PM

All of the minor details that OP lists should not be taken too seriously.

As defined by Thempsleighs Codified Rules of Applied Seriousness (Vol. 2).

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Quote from: phorensic on November 22, 2011, 01:31:01 PM

OP, what is wrong with you? The new bitcoin-qt gui is freakin' amazing. Stop nitpicking the shit out of it. I even helped develop a tiny part of it

Instead of whining about it on the forum, what you should do is open a github account, fork it, develop, and then send pull requests. Much more productive doing that.

+1 definitely

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OP is being just a little too nostalgic and afraid of change here. The leap to the qt-gui is great. All of the minor details that OP lists should not be taken too seriously.

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Quote from: Gavin Andresen on November 22, 2011, 01:14:23 PM

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 22, 2011, 05:18:09 AM

i will contact Gavin shortly, i suggest you do the same, don't tell him what they did wrong... tell him why its important to do beta testing outside his the dev team b4 releasing new versions... in all honesty i don't give a fuck how long it take for the client to evolve i just NEED it to be perfect ever time

Mmm... perfect software...

You notice how we aren't at Bitcoin version 1.0 yet? That the version is "0.5 BETA" ?

If you NEED it to be perfect then you're going to be waiting forever, because no software is ever perfect.

The criteria for a new 0.something release is "Is there general agreement that it is better than the last release."

There is general agreement that the new GUI is better; the huge problem with the old GUI is we have no wxWidgets GUI programmers willing to support the old GUI. There are several people contributing patches to the new Qt GUI.

I've said it before but I'll say it again: Bitcoin is still a high-risk, high-potential-reward experiment, and you shouldn't invest time or money that you can't afford to lose. We're working hard to make it better, but we're not perfect.

understood

sry of the mean like comment.

but i do have a point, you should pass on the new client to the people on this forum b4 sending it out to the public.

we might have SOME valid feedback.... the above comments are mostly not valid, but some have good points that should be considered.

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Quote from: adamstgBit on November 22, 2011, 05:18:09 AM

tell him why its important to do beta testing outside his the dev team b4 releasing new versions...

He opens threads all the time asking people to do just that before every release no need to be telling him anything like that ...

ok so you do do beta testing.... we just all missed the beta testing Tongue

well keep up the good work.

I minimize my risk by never dwling the newest client every time is come out. i wait a few weeks.

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I applaud the move to Qt and wish to express my appreciation to the people who did the coding. Let's not bash the efforts of volunteers. Having said that, I agree that some aspects of the new GUI need a bit of work. I think I would get rid of the "Receive coins" section and instead have sending and receiving sections in the address book. I would also like to see a private key import feature at some point. I agree that it would be nice to see the block count and number of connections without having to hover the mouse pointer. Why not have a status bar that's visible from every section which has the balance, number of connections and block count?

I'm not sure how useful the Overview section is. What else could we put there?

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Bitcoin QT 0.5.0 is just AWESOME.

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Good points Gavin.

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