The price of New Blade and Mini Blade was announced by rockxie

bitbigbird

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You guy is absolutly right!

Quote from: martinm on July 15, 2013, 09:37:18 AM

Quote from: BlackLilac Jordan on July 13, 2013, 05:47:48 AM

Quote from: kevinm on July 12, 2013, 03:14:02 AM

Seems like FriedCat is having the COMMUNITY pants down over these blades and selling them to us mugs at twice the price he is offering in mainland China:

Here is a nice 130Gh/s rig for sale at RMB 39999

https://i.imgur.com/qw6PrtD.png

Here is a translation using google translate:

Price: ¥ 39999.00
   Logistics Freight:
   Shanghai | to National Express: ¥ 15.00 seller promises delivery within 24 hours
   30 days sold: 1
   Average price: No rating
   Baby Type: New 4281 views
   Payment:

   Quick payment online banking payment

   Someone to pay the consumer card balances Alipay payment outlets
   Unfold

39999 Yuan or RMB is approx USD 6500 ( FOR 10 x 10Gh/s BLADES but can give 130Gh/s) which is being offered to us chumps at 18.9 BTC each blade?

dont see anything there about it being a deposit, seems like full price to me and delivery within 24 hours.
Please tell me I am wrong and FriedCat is not shafting everyone who does not live in China.
I will boycot this and start buying my ASIC's from some of the independents. There seem to be more and more popping up each day and cheaper too.

cheers,
kev

You are wrong. friedcat is not shafting everyone who does not live in China

It's 56BTC for one Blade Wink

. The picture shows only that you can combine up to 10 blades

martinm

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Quote from: BlackLilac Jordan on July 13, 2013, 05:47:48 AM

Quote from: kevinm on July 12, 2013, 03:14:02 AM

Seems like FriedCat is having the COMMUNITY pants down over these blades and selling them to us mugs at twice the price he is offering in mainland China:

Here is a nice 130Gh/s rig for sale at RMB 39999

https://i.imgur.com/qw6PrtD.png

Here is a translation using google translate:

Price: ¥ 39999.00
   Logistics Freight:
   Shanghai | to National Express: ¥ 15.00 seller promises delivery within 24 hours
   30 days sold: 1
   Average price: No rating
   Baby Type: New 4281 views
   Payment:

   Quick payment online banking payment

   Someone to pay the consumer card balances Alipay payment outlets
   Unfold

39999 Yuan or RMB is approx USD 6500 ( FOR 10 x 10Gh/s BLADES but can give 130Gh/s) which is being offered to us chumps at 18.9 BTC each blade?

dont see anything there about it being a deposit, seems like full price to me and delivery within 24 hours.
Please tell me I am wrong and FriedCat is not shafting everyone who does not live in China.
I will boycot this and start buying my ASIC's from some of the independents. There seem to be more and more popping up each day and cheaper too.

cheers,
kev

You are wrong. friedcat is not shafting everyone who does not live in China

It's 56BTC for one Blade Wink

. The picture shows only that you can combine up to 10 blades

toddtervy

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Nice arguments. I think if AM doesn't sell them for a bit overpriced, then the people who buy them probably will with the current demand.

BlackLilac Jordan

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Quote from: kevinm on July 12, 2013, 03:14:02 AM

Seems like FriedCat is having the COMMUNITY pants down over these blades and selling them to us mugs at twice the price he is offering in mainland China:

Here is a nice 130Gh/s rig for sale at RMB 39999

Here is a translation using google translate:

Price: ¥ 39999.00
   Logistics Freight:
   Shanghai | to National Express: ¥ 15.00 seller promises delivery within 24 hours
   30 days sold: 1
   Average price: No rating
   Baby Type: New 4281 views
   Payment:

   Quick payment online banking payment

   Someone to pay the consumer card balances Alipay payment outlets
   Unfold

39999 Yuan or RMB is approx USD 6500 ( FOR 10 x 10Gh/s BLADES but can give 130Gh/s) which is being offered to us chumps at 18.9 BTC each blade?

dont see anything there about it being a deposit, seems like full price to me and delivery within 24 hours.
Please tell me I am wrong and FriedCat is not shafting everyone who does not live in China.
I will boycot this and start buying my ASIC's from some of the independents. There seem to be more and more popping up each day and cheaper too.

cheers,
kev

You are wrong. friedcat is not shafting everyone who does not live in China

PuertoLibre

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Before or after they request a refund and realize it doesn't do what they expected it would? (And therefore never turn it on...thereby...possibly...not adding to nor "securing" the network any further)

Perhaps, large en masse "sell offs" of hashing hardware at deeply discounted prices to one or two individuals with deep pocket books might even make the network less secure.

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You are right, you are not advocating that people are getting a good deal. What would you "call it" if this were the case? (i.e. a bad deal for the customer)

Choose one word to describe that practice. (and no, Free Market is not one word)

P.S. Do you sell any AM hardware by any chance? (in the interest of full disclosure)

If so, do you sell the hardware at a price that even I would consider it beneficial to your customers?

DeathAndTaxes

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Quote from: PuertoLibre on July 12, 2013, 07:45:45 PM

The free market is an abstract idea.

Just because the free market is in action does not automatically mean that buyers are getting a good deal. It may turn out that way, but it doesn't necessitate that it will turn out that way.

I never claimed buyer will (or are) getting a good deal. If your math says the deal is bad then don't buy. If enough people do that (or eventually buy lower priced competitor goods) then ASICMiner will be forced to lower their prices. It really is that simple.

Either way the situation is self correcting. If ASICMiner is making profit hand over fist that just encourages competition. If you don't buy a rig because they are overpriced but someone else does (maybe less informed) then the network still gains security.

PuertoLibre

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The free market makes no guarantees that the buyer is in anyway informed or fully aware enough of whether the product being sold will actually do what it is being purchased to do.

It only stipulates that given enough competitors, the end result is that products will become cheaper (not necessarily better).

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There are giant holes the size of kansas city in the free market idea. (not that I am generally against it)

If you don't think I am saying something truthful...try sitting on your cars plastic bumper and see how many hundreds of dollars it costs you to get it repaired. Wink

Cheaper =/= better.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on July 12, 2013, 12:24:33 PM

Quote from: nubbins on July 12, 2013, 12:17:49 PM

I've seen more than a few people kick up a stink about blade prices, not realizing that a lot of the numbers they're seeing are down payments.

I've also seen a stink about the price being too high. People either believe in free markets or they don't. Are they selling out? Yes then the price isn't too high. If the price is too high then they won't be able to move units at that price and they will lower the price. Right now ASICMiner faces minimal competition. Avalon has sold a lot of chips but not a lot of complete units. If/when Avalon board builders start to sell in bulk and even have units available for immediate delivery ASICMiner will be forced to lower their price ... or they won't sell anything.

Trust the power of open fair markets people.

The free market is an abstract idea.

Just because the free market is in action does not automatically mean that buyers are getting a good deal. It may turn out that way, but it doesn't necessitate that it will turn out that way.

The idea of a free market can be both good and bad to either party (sellers or buyers). If the conditions of the market are skewed it can be destructive through various pre-set conditions and/or even helpful if conditions are right.

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An example of a destructive free market:

If a product is being sold at a price point where there are enough fools to "buy out" the supply in a free market. The fools will get burned.

These fools, once they part with their money, will not be making any positive return at a specific price point. As long as there are enough fools, the market is sustained without change. Leaving non-fools deprived of a particular product at a "useful" and workable price point.

If there is enough "demand" from new fools to replace old fools, the market can sell a product that never actually does anything useful to anyone. It will just move wealth from one pocket into another. Never serving it's ultimate purpose to a useful degree.

There is always a market for idiots to buy and sell things.

bitbigbird

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Only ONE 13G blade sell for 39000Y and it is not invailble now.
Maybe you can use some translate tools for more information.
If you have any question, email to me [email protected]

Quote from: kevinm on July 12, 2013, 03:14:02 AM

Seems like FriedCat is having the COMMUNITY pants down over these blades and selling them to us mugs at twice the price he is offering in mainland China:

Here is a nice 130Gh/s rig for sale at RMB 39999

https://i.imgur.com/qw6PrtD.png

Here is a translation using google translate:

Price: ¥ 39999.00
Logistics Freight:
Shanghai | to National Express: ¥ 15.00 seller promises delivery within 24 hours
30 days sold: 1
Average price: No rating
Baby Type: New 4281 views
Payment:

Quick payment online banking payment

Someone to pay the consumer card balances Alipay payment outlets
Unfold

39999 Yuan or RMB is approx USD 6500 ( FOR 10 x 10Gh/s BLADES but can give 130Gh/s) which is being offered to us chumps at 18.9 BTC each blade?

dont see anything there about it being a deposit, seems like full price to me and delivery within 24 hours.
Please tell me I am wrong and FriedCat is not shafting everyone who does not live in China.
I will boycot this and start buying my ASIC's from some of the independents. There seem to be more and more popping up each day and cheaper too.

cheers,
kev

DeathAndTaxes

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Quote from: candoo on July 12, 2013, 12:54:20 PM

Btw. iam raffling my avalon for only 1 btc. (Yeah you can buy a avalon for 1 btc)

In related news you can buy $200 million dollars for just $1 dollar.

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Prices will drop as soon as BFL manages to deliver and avalon might be ready too.

Btw. iam raffling my avalon for only 1 btc. (Yeah you can buy a avalon for 1 btc)

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on July 12, 2013, 12:24:33 PM

Quote from: nubbins on July 12, 2013, 12:17:49 PM

I've seen more than a few people kick up a stink about blade prices, not realizing that a lot of the numbers they're seeing are down payments.

I've also seen a stink about the price being too high. People either believe in free markets or they don't. Are they selling out? Yes then the price isn't too high. If the price is too high then they won't be able to move units at that price and they will lower the price. Right now ASICMiner faces minimal competition. Avalon has sold a lot of chips but not a lot of complete units. If/when Avalon board builders start to sell in bulk and even have units available for immediate delivery ASICMiner will be forced to lower their price ... or they won't sell anything.

Trust the power of open fair markets people.

Quote from: friedcat on July 31, 2012, 02:59:25 AM

There will indeed be a market battle. The question is how intense it will be and when we will reach a relatively stable equilibrium. In my opinion, there's still a long way to go before the market price falls down to the same magnitude to the margin cost. Before that, all ASIC vendors would be quite profitable.

Sad that AM prices are too high? Blame BFL and Avalon.

DeathAndTaxes

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Quote from: nubbins on July 12, 2013, 12:17:49 PM

I've seen more than a few people kick up a stink about blade prices, not realizing that a lot of the numbers they're seeing are down payments.

I've also seen a stink about the price being too high. People either believe in free markets or they don't. Are they selling out? Yes then the price isn't too high. If the price is too high then they won't be able to move units at that price and they will lower the price. Right now ASICMiner faces minimal competition. Avalon has sold a lot of chips but not a lot of complete units. If/when Avalon board builders start to sell in bulk and even have units available for immediate delivery ASICMiner will be forced to lower their price ... or they won't sell anything.

Trust the power of open fair markets people.

nubbins

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I've seen more than a few people kick up a stink about blade prices, not realizing that a lot of the numbers they're seeing are down payments.

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Quote from: kevinm on July 12, 2013, 03:14:02 AM

Seems like FriedCat is having the COMMUNITY pants down over these blades and selling them to us mugs at twice the price he is offering in mainland China:

Here is a nice 130Gh/s rig for sale at RMB 39999

Here is a translation using google translate:

Price: ¥ 39999.00
Logistics Freight:
Shanghai | to National Express: ¥ 15.00 seller promises delivery within 24 hours
30 days sold: 1
Average price: No rating
Baby Type: New 4281 views
Payment:

Quick payment online banking payment

Someone to pay the consumer card balances Alipay payment outlets
Unfold

39999 Yuan or RMB is approx USD 6500 ( FOR 10 x 10Gh/s BLADES but can give 130Gh/s) which is being offered to us chumps at 18.9 BTC each blade?

dont see anything there about it being a deposit, seems like full price to me and delivery within 24 hours.
Please tell me I am wrong and FriedCat is not shafting everyone who does not live in China.
I will boycot this and start buying my ASIC's from some of the independents. There seem to be more and more popping up each day and cheaper too.

cheers,
kev

Just to make sure, I contacted the seller. They are no longer selling the old blades (10~13G for 56BTC) and are accepting orders for the new 10G blades for BTC 18.88 each, to be shipped in 10 days from friedcat (Shenzhen, southern China) directly.

Those in China may get the goods faster but not significantly cheaper.

IM record in Chinese for those interested:

叽歪 (17:14:29):
您好，http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w4004-2539560000.10.EAsIOP&id=25811016545

http://img01.taobaocdn.com:80/tfscom/i3/19255024435646947/T1bm0iFndcXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg_460x460.jpg
http://img03.taobaocdn.com:80/tfscom/i1/885589255/T24KQhXftaXXXXXXXX_!!885589255.png_460x460.jpg
http://img01.taobaocdn.com:80/tfscom/i2/885589255/T22vchXjBXXXXXXXXX_!!885589255.jpg_460x460.jpg
http://img03.taobaocdn.com:80/tfscom/i2/885589255/T2W5giXcRXXXXXXXXX_!!885589255.gif_460x460.jpg
http://img03.taobaocdn.com:80/tfscom/i4/885589255/T2xmP4XnpaXXXXXXXX_!!885589255.jpg_460x460.jpg

宝贝：拒绝期货和欺骗烤猫刀片现货比特币叠加算力停止淘宝销售
价格： 39999.00元
运费：至广东 15.00元
月销量（1）
是单片还是整台130G?
3暗黑3 (17:15:05):
这个现在没有货
叽歪 (17:15:37):
旧刀片没货，新刀片没到货？
3暗黑3 (17:16:20):
新刀片现在在预定，今天最后一天，5g 9.88btc 10g 18.88btc
3暗黑3 (17:16:36):
烤猫那边10天之内发货
叽歪 (17:16:48):
深圳直发？
3暗黑3 (17:16:54):
是的
叽歪 (17:16:58):
谢谢！

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Quote from: innovation on July 11, 2013, 08:44:04 AM

Quote from: MikkisJ on July 11, 2013, 08:09:45 AM

When will the price announcement be made? When they will start shipping?

I have no any reliable news source about the shipping data. u can keep your eyes on what friedcat has said.

here is friedcat's profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/friedcat-49840

Friedcat said today: The last August's IPO skype camera meeting is coming.
Maybe new products will be announced in the skype camera meeting.

So the shipping data is coming too.

That statement by friedcat has nothing to do with the Blade price and shipping.

What he said was to tell us that the guy in the photo published in the news/weibo is not friedcat himself, which can be confirmed by the members attending last August's IPO skype camera meeting.

BTW, I think that guy in the photo is rockxie.

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This is not good for my Chi... Yifu

Seems like FriedCat is having the COMMUNITY pants down over these blades and selling them to us mugs at twice the price he is offering in mainland China:

Here is a nice 130Gh/s rig for sale at RMB 39999

Here is a translation using google translate:

Price: ¥ 39999.00
Logistics Freight:
Shanghai | to National Express: ¥ 15.00 seller promises delivery within 24 hours
30 days sold: 1
Average price: No rating
Baby Type: New 4281 views
Payment:

Quick payment online banking payment

Someone to pay the consumer card balances Alipay payment outlets
Unfold

39999 Yuan or RMB is approx USD 6500 ( FOR 10 x 10Gh/s BLADES but can give 130Gh/s) which is being offered to us chumps at 18.9 BTC each blade?

dont see anything there about it being a deposit, seems like full price to me and delivery within 24 hours.
Please tell me I am wrong and FriedCat is not shafting everyone who does not live in China.
I will boycot this and start buying my ASIC's from some of the independents. There seem to be more and more popping up each day and cheaper too.

cheers,
kev

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Quote from: rammy2k2 on July 11, 2013, 06:50:41 PM

Quote from: PuertoLibre on July 11, 2013, 06:03:21 PM

Quote from: suprabitz on July 11, 2013, 04:51:07 PM

but you know whats crazy is guys paid 50 BTC for blades and have been mining since mid May reaping a fortune and if they were smart they sold it a couple weeks ago. They were still selling for 35-40 BTC WAY over ROI. People told them they would never ROI at 50 BTC but if they sold for 35-40BTC a few weeks ago they probably made a fortune.

I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say?

They bought a blade in Mid-May, then they haven't gotten anywhere near their ROI up to now. Thats is less than 30 days span of time to make any BTC before they "allegedly" sold it off.

If they then sold them off for 35 or 40 BTC then that means for them to break even...they would have had to have made anywhere from 10 BTC to 15 BTC in that lapse of time. This only to actually break even.

So your statement is confusing. Are you saying that someone who purchased a Mid-May blade made back at least 10 to 15 BTC before they sold it off to some other fool for the remaining difference??

If not, then they just got out of it what they put into it...at best.

i got a blade in May, made about 21 BTC with it till last week, and sold it for 35 BTC, not a very good deal, i admit.

It wasn't too bad of a deal. With NMC conversion I made around 26 BTC and with the low $66 USD price of BTC last week I sold my blade for around 60 BTC on eBay. Assuming I don't get a dispute months later, it is hard to argue with a ~36 BTC profit in 2.5 months.

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Quote from: PuertoLibre on July 11, 2013, 06:03:21 PM

Quote from: suprabitz on July 11, 2013, 04:51:07 PM

but you know whats crazy is guys paid 50 BTC for blades and have been mining since mid May reaping a fortune and if they were smart they sold it a couple weeks ago. They were still selling for 35-40 BTC WAY over ROI. People told them they would never ROI at 50 BTC but if they sold for 35-40BTC a few weeks ago they probably made a fortune.

I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say?

They bought a blade in Mid-May, then they haven't gotten anywhere near their ROI up to now. Thats is less than 30 days span of time to make any BTC before they "allegedly" sold it off.

If they then sold them off for 35 or 40 BTC then that means for them to break even...they would have had to have made anywhere from 10 BTC to 15 BTC in that lapse of time. This only to actually break even.

So your statement is confusing. Are you saying that someone who purchased a Mid-May blade made back at least 10 to 15 BTC before they sold it off to some other fool for the remaining difference??

If not, then they just got out of it what they put into it...at best.

i got a blade in May, made about 21 BTC with it till last week, and sold it for 35 BTC, not a very good deal, i admit.

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Quote from: suprabitz on July 11, 2013, 04:51:07 PM

but you know whats crazy is guys paid 50 BTC for blades and have been mining since mid May reaping a fortune and if they were smart they sold it a couple weeks ago. They were still selling for 35-40 BTC WAY over ROI. People told them they would never ROI at 50 BTC but if they sold for 35-40BTC a few weeks ago they probably made a fortune.

I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say?

They bought a blade in Mid-May, then they haven't gotten anywhere near their ROI up to now. Thats is less than 30 days span of time to make any BTC before they "allegedly" sold it off.

If they then sold them off for 35 or 40 BTC then that means for them to break even...they would have had to have made anywhere from 10 BTC to 15 BTC in that lapse of time. This only to actually break even.

So your statement is confusing. Are you saying that someone who purchased a Mid-May blade made back at least 10 to 15 BTC before they sold it off to some other fool for the remaining difference??

If not, then they just got out of it what they put into it...at best.

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