Topic: The private sector can NOT provide a benevolent police/security service [proof] (Read 3156 times)

This is a summary of the entirety of what you contribute to this forum, and the bolded part is the entirety of your argument. Thank you very much for letting all of us idiots know how things work right now. Since we're all stuck in our parent's basements 24/7, playing in fantasy hoo-haa land, we are not aware of what the real life outside is actually like.


Here's a hint: The reason we think you are a fucking idiot is because while we are discussing how to CHANGE things in the world, you're throwing insults while explaining how the world works NOW. NO SHIT SHIRLEY! That's why we want to CHANGE it! If you think things suck more than your mother, then maybe try to contribute some ideas about how to change it. If, on the other hand, you like taking it up the ass the way all of us have been since birth, then go grow some tastebuds on your asshole and GTFO. Your non-contribution is not needed.

"Because I can", has never, nor will ever be a first and foremost reason for doing anything. We can all go put our heads in vices and turn the crank, but there are compelling reasons not to.

As for your other reasons, well, they're a little better. Not terribly compelling though, given the opportunities for travel. Suit yourself.

I'm guessing that u disagree?  There *are* verifiable examples of Librcap Xanadu?  When quoting just one sentence from an entire post, try to remember what it is & figure out just what it is u disagree with, K tiger?  So let me repeat: Which part of the sentence you have quoted made u so buthurt?


In that case you should be thrilled with my examples, though make sure your kids have a round chambered before stepping out of the house, and don't dress them in white -- blood's a bitch to get out.  Btw, if an AK47-wielding granny meets an AR15-carrying 5-year-old, who wins? Answer: The kid, but only if he hacked the full-auto conversion! Did u get it right?


If you find a single instance where i tell you to vote or pay taxes, i'll give you a donut.  I explain how things work IRL, and get insulted for a thank you.


I take it the raging replies are a clever ruse?


Lordy lorks!  Whoever caused you all that emotional trauma, it wasn't me.
In particular:
I never asked you to do anything -- pay, evade or dodge taxes, acquire or restrain from acquiring benefits -- by honest or dishonest means, participate in or withdraw from economy.  I specifically couldn't give a shit about your giving a shit.  Any notions to the contrary are erroneous

You really are hilarious, you think increasing the insult count in your posts will make you any more correct? Going on to a cryptographic currency forum ( which by the way is a real example happening right now of Anarchy working if you're too stupid to figure it out ) and telling everyone on it they're living in an opium dream is a bit like going around and telling people there is nothing wrong with the economy and no one is being forcefully put into debt.

You didn't give RL evidence at all either, all you did was have a funny rant and make up your own hypotheticals like a lot of people having arguments about politics and gun control do, the only thing I will say about guns in respect to owning them is I don't want stupid people having them but that can be cured with proper training, far less things will go wrong if the people owning weaponry know to keep the gun unloaded and with the safety on than just leaving it loaded around the house like you hear about in most of these melodramatic news articles. If you want to talk proof African children are capable of firing an AK47 ( don't know about 5 year olds though which is why I think you're a retard ) and we often hear about the old grandma with a shotgun.

What bothers me most of all, is why is it that people like you insist on coming here to tell us off and tell us about our 'place' in society, make us vote and pay are taxes? Hasn't it fucking occured to you that I don't give a shit about any of that? Or are you just going to ignore this question and troll away like you all usually do? I have no interest in being a benefits cheat and I don't intend to dodge taxes ( Look up tax evasion and tax avoidance so you understand the differences ) so what's the problem with me not bothering? the second I can go purely cryptographic I will but it seems our benevolent governments have other ideas considering what happened to Bitspend, I just simply don't give a shit about living in your idyllic fantasy world.

Come on, Cartman, stop trolling, we know it's you

Because US doesn't want to turn Afghanistan into a wasteland of bomb craters & radioactive molten glass?  Do u rly think US is incapable of doing just that? US has plenty of fabulous nuclear bottle rockets lyin' around just itchin' for a chance to spread democracy & human rights.  With expiry dates coming up, even -- use them or lose them!
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Wut  I opened by pointing out that the Librcap Xanadu is nothing but an opium dream of a drooling imbecile, that there are no verifiable examples of it in recorded human history.  I further drew your attention to the fact that today, all of the Earth's habitable surface is divided by what you call "states," antitheses of your wet dream.  IRL & empirical evidence didn't make you STFU, so you started with your imaginingz -- replying to me with cryptic lines attributed to Yamamoto, but turned out to be another Libercap fantasy.  Now you're insisting that children & octogenarians carry gats to protect themselves from *other* children and octogenarians.  Daddy, Franny was being mean so i shot her in the face, can i have a fresh clip?

First and foremost... because I can? It would add another tickmark to the list of countries I visited. Also, since there are no laws or regulations in the country, aside from their code of conduct against killing/stealing/fraud, I suspect it may offer unique experiences other beach resorts don't (I'm sure the Pirates of Somalia ride there will be quite a bit more exciting than the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disney  ). Mostly, I'll be curious to see how their local economy and culture continues to develop.

Had to ask this after watching the first 2 minutes.

Are you being facetious?

Why would you be interested in visiting a high end beach resort in Somalia? There are beach resorts elsewhere. But, if by chance, your visit to Somalia is to see the countryside and the culture, and only use the resort for sleeping and dining, then okay...

Except for a few things. Go for it.

Sure. But there is one huge factor between the northern part of that one country, and the southern part.


Yes


I live in United States. I have previously lived in Ukraine, Russia, and Italy, and have spent time in Canada, Switzerland, UK, and Iceland. I would not choose to live in Somalia right now, but will probably visit in the future.
Here's a freebie for you http://www.independent.org/publications/working_papers/article.asp?id=1861

It's a bit of a long read, but the gist of it is that Somalia, despite having no real government, still has a system of law, and talks about all those things I mentioned, where ex-warlords are now running the business of providing security for those living on their territories, Somalia's economy is improving rapidly, and things aren't nearly as bad as the media makes it out to be. They are basically turning into a collection of private gated communities / free economic zones. There was even an article out recently about an entrepreneur planning on building a high-end beach resort for tourists there, using the local security providers to keep things safe. Once that happens, I see no reason not to visit.

Oh boy are you separated from reality, if we've got to have a military then why are we losing the war in Afghanistan? You're picking the most ridiculous hypothetical scenarios to make your point, as far as I'm concerned as long as they've had training in whatever gun they've bought anyone should be able to use a gun and yes I do mean anyone but of course you've completely disregarded that a five year old isn't going to be physically capable of handling an RPG because from what I've seen of your arguments you're a state loving moron.

So let me get this straight. You base your point on Wikipedia articles about one European country's crime rates, which are affected by many factors by the way. You say you read "peer reviewed web articles". Subscriptions for peer reviewed online articles cost a lot of money and ussually only scientists, researchers and scientific journalists have them. You're one of them?
And above all countries you state Somalia as an example? Tell me a few things: in what country you are currently living in and would you choose to live in Somalia instead?

   Not only did you not bother to read the wiki articles, you didn't even bother reading my post, where I specifically saif which wiki articles to google for.
But here you go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Italy#Violent_crime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Mafia#Ten_Commandments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Mafia#Protection_rackets

Read the "... from theft" and "client relations" too.



I get my info from whatever I find on peer-reviewed web articles and news sources. Plus from my short experience living in Italy, where mafia guys kept an eye on things, and as long as you didn't bother them or others, they wouldn't bother you. There's also a similar situation developing in Somalia now, where former war-lords are learning that they can have a much more comfortable life and business just selling protection to people living in their territories. It has brought a lot of security and stability to places where government and police can't provide that service. Sounds like you have a shitty mafia. Hopefully they will either get their act together, learn from other mafias, or get "replaced" by a better competitor.


Sounds like an apt description of most countres' military soldiers  

Your writings aren't the Holy Bible and I don't have to trust every word you say.
Drop me a link comparing crime statistics in Southern and Northern Italy. Of course, it wouldn't prove your point even if crime is lower South than in the North, but you would look more reputable.
I don't know where you get your ideas about how organized crime operates, but I know from personal experience, as a citizen of a former Soviet Republic, that yeah mafia does whack their own "customers" - when they're unneeded, to send a message to others or just out of plain stupidity. I don't know if you're aware of this, but in most cultures criminal element is comprised out of low end of society - lowest castes in a caste society, racial or ethnic minorities, low IQ, mentally ill people and sociopaths - people who do not get the same access to social ladder.

A blade behind every grass. Does not require a military.

You didn't read it Mafia doesn't "whack" their customers. That's bad for business, will piss off their other customers, and will   likely get them either reported to the police, or worse, make the customers switch to other mafia organizations, which will deprive the "whackers" of money, and sick a much better financed mafia military on them. They can at most mess the place up a bit, but the best method is to simply advertise who IS paying for protection, letting thieves know that some businesses are fair game. And yes, had you read those wiki entries, you would have read that business owners and private individuals do actually seek out protection services, as well as other help. Mafia keeps your store safe by advertising that it's under their protection, mafia can be hired to recover stolen goods or get compensation for vandalism, and can be used for arbitration purposes when two people, say a store clerk and a supplier, wish to trade, and want to make sure one doesn't screw the other. Mafia actually does care about its business reputation, and does negotiate with "customers" to make sure they are getting the service they are paying for, and are not ripping them off. The mafia depends on all the businesses they protect to keep running just as much as the owners are. This isn't something you can say about governments or police.
As for murder and rape, it's not my simplistic banter, it's just crime statistics. All they say is that crimes like murder, theft, and rape, are much more prevalent in Northern Italy, and barely existent in Southern Italy. You make your own conclusions.

Regarding civil rights, things like no marriage between races and segregated schools and businesses was the law, forced on everyone by government, because that was the prevalent belief at the time. It didn't take laws to change this, it took the changing of beliefs, which were also later codified in law. So, even businesses that wanted to sell to everyone were kept from doing it because of laws, even when more and more people believed that we shouldn't discriminate. Mafia doesn't care about laws, just business and profits, so I seriously doubt they would care about foreigners or other races visiting the businesses they protect. As for financial regulation? The point is not to have any. If we're going to have regulations, we might as well have governments and police, too. Now if you mean financial mediation/arbitration/escrow, and making sure people don't commit fraud or theft, yeah, that's what their business actually is.

No.  To look at it from a military point of view you gotta have a military.  An organisation.  Not an old lady with a big gun in her purse, and certainly not a 5-year-old with an RPG launcher.
The reason gorilla warfare works?  The same reason terrorism works.  Losing a hundred civilians while taking out one gorilla/terrorist is considered bad form, so it's typically not done.  Not because the army can't turn gorilla's home turf into molten glass.

Finally, if you don't like the cops, talking them away won't work.  Neither will wishing them away.  Neither will convincing your friends who already think cops are evil that cops are evil.  If millennia of mankind's history is any guide, those tricks never worked & are unlikely to work in the future.
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Your own personal security should be determined by you, not organisations of any sort, no security force is capable of understanding and responding the best way 100% of the time, it's mathematically impossible for them to effectively help people and that's just by calculating the time it takes to get there. The fact is for all the ideological bullshit people like to pull if you are ever attacked out in the real world you have two choices, fight or flee, the chances of any kind of security personnel being there to help you are incredibly low because that's what an attacker is counting on and will set up. If we look at it from a military point of view it's a lot like setting up an ambush with hit and run tactics.

People do not seek it, they are forced into it, either pay for protection or get whacked. Your simplistic banter about murder, rape aside, maybe you have an idea how mafia could regulate more complicated things like civil rights or financial regulations?