Topic: The problems newbies face (Read 549 times)

Op maybe the right word to use is not attack but chastisement and if you see it in this very word then  the forum would be easier for you to learn from. No one will attack you if you make a good quality post, go back to the drawing board check to know why you're been attacked learn from it so you don't have to reiterate your mistakes.

Op you said Secondly the rules! Yea what's wrong about the rules? Are you part of those that wants to live in a community of lawlessness and chaos?  Closely read the rules for they are simple to abide by and there's no rigidity or difficulties associated in keeping to them as established.  Create within you  a positive mindset about the forum if growth means anything to you.

There is no vendetta against newbies because we were all newbies and what you are complaining about currently was not something that we noticed as newbies then. As a newbie, if you have been corrected once or twice by older members, it is because they have noticed something that needs correction. Do not take it too seriously or have the notion that the correction is an attack because you are a newbie, it is all in your head.

As a real newbie, be a proper newbie who is committed to learning and sticking to rules of the forum. Ask reasonable questions and express yourself in a constructive manner and nobody will attack you for it.

Oh mine! I'm not one to easily say someone's posts are shitposts but I've to say it here on that Kalson9's thread. I'm trying to unread what I read in the OP there. Like you asked, what indeed, was the OP trying to achieve with that? Total nonsense and I think such deserves to be taken off by the mods. Perhaps that's how best that user writes because I quickly ran through their other posts and there isn't any difference in their sentence construction.

Well, it's not wrong or against the forum rules and there's no rules like that. We are free to post or feel like to write as long as the content is not low quality or spam then I don't see any problem problem with that but if it is the opposite then I agree with you. After all, we are free to do what we want as long as it doesn't cause problem or trouble to anyone here in the forum. I don't think that the newbies are being attacked (in a bad way) but I'd rather call it being criticized and when someone did it then it is for your own good to become knowledgeable in the future.

They're getting attacked because they're spoiling the forum we love, you can't just register on a platform and start writing the way you feel like writing, making the forum look like some childish social media and think you'll get away with it. The newbies should make it their first priority to read about the forum, visit the rules and regulations threads and get familiarize with the forum before they start posting. There's nothing wrong in asking questions on how things work here before you start writing when you can find the right sources to get you to understand how the forum functions. When you ignore all that but starts spamming or using the forum in a wrong way then you'll get attacked.

Not every newbies has been attacked on the forum, we have those that has been welcomed very well with lots of merits due to the values they're adding to the forum with their contributions. We're not saying all newbie should be like them but atleast put some efforts into your writing and the way you reply to threads. When a newbie register on the forum and immediately starts spamming around in an attempt to increase his activities he'll get attacked. It's left for he newbie to take corrections instead of feeling attacked. At some people we hard our own fair share of the attacked but took them as correction instead of feeling offended, they should do the same and they'll enjoy their stay on the forum, the forum is very friendly when you know how to use it.

I think newbies suffer from imposter syndrome especially because of the difference in rank and they see every criticism as an personal attack, not realizing that everyone is equal on the forum. The older members are not entirely innocent in this, if you have been a member of this forum for half a decade or more, you will have seen most of the posts by newbies being repeated time after time and eventually that would get on anyone nerves, some older members snap at newcomers who make honest mistakes on the beginning but it’s all a part of the forum. Like LoyceV would say, “to survive in bitcointalk you have to grow thick skin”.

OP, it is not just about the paragraphs or how long your post is; what matters is the content you share. For example, you could try sharing your experiences or knowledge that can be beneficial to other members. Also, offering helpful solutions to problems or answering questions with valuable and relevant information can make a real difference.

An example of a bad post is, for instance, your last topic: What is political Economy. What were you trying to achieve with it, anyway?

So, instead of talking about non-existent attacks on newbies and getting merits, work on yourself and try harder to make a positive contribution to the community. By doing so, other users will recognize your efforts and value your input.

So far, beginners are required to make extra efforts to make quality posts so that they really get what they want, especially regarding merit and rank. The merit system was introduced to prevent many newbies and other users from ranking up if they don't make quality posts, of course that's good but definitely won't prevent them from ranking up as long as they are good posters.

Complaining will not solve the problem, but it will only add more problems which in turn will affect the mindset to be more negative. Nothing will stop someone from earning merit if they put in as much effort as possible to make useful and useful posts, but indeed beginners have to put in extra effort.

You are a year old on this forum but unfortunately, you still have this mindset, how did you start and what's your motivation here in Bitcointalk, you saw the negative side but not the positive side.

 I guess you are not really dedicated, checking your post there's a long gap and on it, you just came back from a long hiatus and here you are complaining, why not be active and continue to make contributions, once people see how active and how good your posts are, everything will come along like respect and merits, don't force to get respect and merits, earn the respect of the community.

Since the more experienced members are correcting the newcomers rather than criticizing them, it is clear that the majority of newcomers who join the forum today believe that their contributions are merited. However, you cannot provide something that is meaningless and expect to be rewarded for doing so. This is a gradual process, and as a new user, you will need to go through numerous forum corrections before you achieve your goals. As a new user, you should anticipate corrections with every post you write here.
 

I'll advise you to calm down and put in more effort to learn everything on the forum so you can get the merits you believe you lack, which is true; however, do not expect to be merited in each of your posts. If you put merit on your front, you won't learn, and you will always expect merit every time you make a post, even if it is not meaningful, and you may give up thinking that you won't make it on these forums. Even though some of your posts may be deserving of merit, you must exercise patience if the contributors or viewers do not.

That's not true all of us here started as newbies, there are members who just signed up last year and are now doing well here and they are high rank, if you just sign up let to be acquainted with the forum rules, learn what to post and not to post, so many newbies are getting a loan, days after they sign up here because they saw that there is a lending board here, they do not read the requirements and some newbies just post projects they are promoting with their affiliate link.

There is a newbie and beginner section here all new members have to do is spend more time a week staying and focusing on this section will give you an overall idea of how this forum works, and gain respect and knowledge. 

Who are attacking those newbies? I will give negative trust to them? Even though I'm not on DT list

Anyway, I think the problem with newbies is:
1. Most of them are in the forum for the money. Look at those newbies right now. A huge percentage of users who are newbie ranked are just spamming Proof of Authentication on the Bounty section.
2. Some of them are acting like they know it all. There are some newbies out there who are giving advice to different users here like they know every thing already. Yes it's still good to advice, but at least know your limits as a newbie.

I also started as a newbie here, and we all are. I registered a few months after the merit system was implemented, and at that time I'm not that expert like the other high ranked users here (and even today). The problem with newbies right now is that they aren't here because they want to rank up their account, but they're here because they believe that they can get some few bucks here. It created a bad image towards high ranked members thus, they see newbies like that.

TBH, I don't see newbies being attacked here. I mean I don't want to boast, but I believe that even though I will start again as a new account, I can still manage to rank up even at least at the Full Member, or even Senior Member. One thing also is that, learn to differentiate constructive criticism, and direct attack to you OP, and to the other newbies out there. To all of the newbies, at least try to rank up if you want to. Don't just post on Bounties section. I still believe that if you have knowledge that you can share here, you can still manage to rank up, and be out of that newbie status.

I don't really think old member attacks you or any other newbie for no reason and what prompts this attack correction would be because you are posting annoying things that other members feel you already ought to know before getting here and moreover no learner who is willing to grasp and learn fast really see corrections as a bad thing.

The forum is filled with lots of members who actually loves seeing newbie strive to grow in knowledge grow not lazy ones and if you are the latter then this place will actually be a hell hole for you.

Hehehehe..... I felt the same way too, buh that's just dumb to think of... Nobody is permitted to humiliate anyone, talkmore of an attack.. you just need to understand that growth is periodical and can never be achieved spontaneously.
In here, nobody really cares about what you do, as long as you don't bridge the rules - yeah, about the rules? Why aren't you comfortable with 'em rules? You like the fact that things are going in accordance right? So what you really got to do assuming 'em rules are shruggedoff?... Chill buddy - learn how to live with things you CANNOT change.
I really want a cheer you up - Don't wanna have you feeling intimidated cus we all started off like you just did ...

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

The number of paragraphs is not what they mean by something meaningful. Some posts are long and have multiple paragraphs that are still meaningless.
When they say post something good it means you should say reasonable stuff. There are newbies here that just come to the forum and start educating others on how to use the forum. It shouldn't be so. There's a thread that was saying on how newbies should learn instead of trying to teach people about the forum.
Make reasonable contributions instead of just saying meaningless things.

This is serious I must say, you're correct to ask that question. I see no reason why anyone would come here and start asking what should I post and all that. Is best you ask reasonable questions that would make members talk more about your post instead of giving us dying questions. If I'm the OP I'd rather do something that would earn me recognition (members don't really care about that, I think) then the merit will follow. I must confess, the campaign stuff you said is something that even motivate members the more to come here and post too. And I see that such questions are the reason why some higher ranked members do get angry by using harsh words on some newbies, I equally don't blame them. @The Sceptical Chymist don't give up on the OP yet, with time I think he'd do better.


This question is the type that needs answers, he might be referred by someone but his mindset could be on something different from what we're expecting.

Maybe if you complain less and understand that, aside from accounts that where on here before the introduction of the merit system, everyone started on as a newbie and now, most of them have attained desired ranks on the forum, you would find it difficult to know it’s by your effort or improve yourself if you don’t come by that realization.

One thing I would say to you now is that, complaints such as these gets you no where. Instead, redirect your effort towards being the best version of you that you can be and keep adding values to the forum.

I don’t see the forum to have been hostile towards newbies. At most, they are often treated like dummies and always in a bid to help and also, very welcoming when they create one of those “I am new here thread”.

On the issue of merits, you don’t get to decide. On the area of where to post, should a comment box be open to you, your good to go.

I need to ask you a question, are you a newbie?
Don't tell me you are a newbie when you are asking a rhetorical question on why the newbies are been attacked  and I seem not to understand whether you don't understand the rules or you choose to be an ignorant fellow.

You don't even state the reason why you think newbies are been attacked by high ranked members. You need to follow the rules here or  else you can be straightened with words that can sharpen you to do the right thing. If you don't understand anyone of the rules, it wi be very polite if you ask questions about what you don't understand than to stand to fight for the newbies when you don't even understand what you are complaining about.

 No one is been harsh on anyone but you need to understand that the way we see things and interpret it may be absolutely different from each other so you don't expect everyone opinion to be the same looking boring. Make sure you know the rules and what you ought to do so that no one will attack you or find no sense in what you write. The community is full of good vibes if you know where to get it.

See, it's questions like this one that probably make you think older members attack newer ones, because my answer to it would be "Who the hell comes to a forum and asks the members what or how to post?".  You're not the first person to ask those questions and similar ones, and they always lead me to the conclusion that people come here not out of interest in bitcoin but because they've heard through the grapevine that there are these things called signature campaigns and bounties.

Let's be honest, OP.  From what you've shown here, you obviously don't intend to put much effort into whatever you write and I doubt your writing skills are sufficient to attract the attention of members with merits to give.  Thus you'll be frustrated and stuck that you haven't ranked up, just like thousands of other accounts that are no longer active.

If you didn't get referred here, may I ask why you joined bitcointalk?

Honestly i don't count all these as part of the problem a newbie faces on this forum because most of this newbies know nothing about the forum and care less of reading the forum's rules and regulations before making mistakes that get them banned, corrected or accused and it's very common that you see a newbie accepting confrontations from experienced members because they also want him to take heed to those aspect they are correcting them on and not that they dislike them or acted to scare them away from the forum, if a newbie never made a mistake, he won't be corrected.