The real reason why NXT & CO failed so far

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What NXT devs post here other than CfB?

jl777 is a dev, but building on top of the NXT platform. He's certainly not doing any NXT core dev work if it's all in Java. Cheesy

I don't see how either of their postings could offend anyone. jl777 just sticks to his own project's threads anyway. And from what I can tell CfB just makes fun of TaunSew all the time(he brings it on himself Cheesy

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Quote from: sumantso on April 09, 2015, 07:07:29 AM

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Quote from: Cryddit on April 07, 2015, 01:12:17 PM

The posting personalities of the people involved do not inspire confidence.

Of all the alts out there, these are some of the ones that would inspire more confidence if their devs or designers stopped posting.

Very true. I personally was put off by them harbouring that retard Cool4School.

Goes by a different name here these days https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/decentralizeeconomics-406472

Thanks, but I meant "I personally was put off by them harbouring that retard ...".
Care to explain? Is he a developer of NXT?

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Quote from: sumantso on April 09, 2015, 06:53:56 AM

Quote from: Cryddit on April 07, 2015, 01:12:17 PM

The posting personalities of the people involved do not inspire confidence.

Of all the alts out there, these are some of the ones that would inspire more confidence if their devs or designers stopped posting.

Very true. I personally was put off by them harbouring that retard Cool4School.

Goes by a different name here these days https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/decentralizeeconomics-406472

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Quote from: Cryddit on April 07, 2015, 01:12:17 PM

The posting personalities of the people involved do not inspire confidence.

Of all the alts out there, these are some of the ones that would inspire more confidence if their devs or designers stopped posting.

Very true. I personally was put off by them harbouring that retard Cool4School.

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Quote from: TaunSew on April 09, 2015, 05:37:20 AM

Unfortunately OP is correct. NxT is a scam and it's a failure. Get your money out while you still have a chance.

any progress on the glitter throwing dude in CfB's eyeball meme remake? you get your points across best using humour

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Unfortunately OP is correct. NxT is a scam and it's a failure. Get your money out while you still have a chance.

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Nobody knew of the great african american blues men (Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker etc) until white english teenagers in the 60's starting cloning blues classics. Once people heard Mick jagger singing blues they dug deeper and discovered authentic blues. Since then 90% of popular music has its roots in the blues, which ultimately goes back to slave spiritual music. Who thinks of that connection now? Not many!

Will be the same with NXT. An application running on NXT platform will take off eventually and 90% of people using it wont know what NXT is. How many Facebook users think of tcp/ip? Bitcoin is a different story though. If bitcoin currency tanks, bitcoin platform will too.

Smart money is to own both, but probably more NXT, as it has more scope for killer apps on top.

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Quote from: Daedelus on April 08, 2015, 12:09:43 PM

I don't know what people intend when they say 'like linux', usually I think it is intended to be derogatory.

We have seen snippets of what I mean. SecureAE.com was built so people could invest in Nxt AE with bitcoin (the conversion to Nxt was hidden). It was useful to bitcoiners.

Jl777 has asset to asset trading (some assets backed by crypto like BTC) in Instantdex/Multigateway. It's actually asset > nxt > asset trade but automated so seems like one trade. People wanted this and find it useful.

Sebastian256 proposed an idea to use the new Voting feature to allow centralised businesses/clubs/societies to use a regular username/password website to record completely decentralized voting results. It could even have a plug in to pay to fees in $ and convert to Nxt automatically so Nxt really does become like TCP/IP, invisible.

It takes time to do but the tools to do it need to be there first.

Coming from me, no... When I say "like Linux", I mean it's open source, more for devs to be tinkered and played with to create something. Ordinary people may not appreciate Linux, but they don't know they use it all the time. A lot of webservers are run by Linux/Apache for example.

Edit: Do you use Linux?

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So close!

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^^^^^ Sebastian265 Roll Eyes

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I don't know what people intend when they say 'like linux', usually I think it is intended to be derogatory.

We have seen snippets of what I mean. SecureAE.com was built so people could invest in Nxt AE with bitcoin (the conversion to Nxt was hidden). It was useful to bitcoiners.

Jl777 has asset to asset trading (some assets backed by crypto like BTC) in Instantdex/Multigateway. It's actually asset > nxt > asset trade but automated so seems like one trade. People wanted this and find it useful.

Sebastian256 proposed an idea to use the new Voting feature to allow centralised businesses/clubs/societies to use a regular username/password website to record completely decentralized voting results. It could even have a plug in to pay to fees in $ and convert to Nxt automatically so Nxt really does become like TCP/IP, invisible.

It takes time to do but the tools to do it need to be there first.

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Quote from: Daedelus on April 08, 2015, 09:41:16 AM

I see your question "How do you get ordinary people to use TCP/IP?"

You don't. You give the 0.1% of society the tools to build the next internet. Where it goes from there, you can't predict. Technology (decentralized shops, ebay, DNS, data storage, unfalsifiable data retrival) will attract businesses if it provides the opportunity for profit. Users will only provide businesses with an income stream if they see the benefit of moving away from current systems. Simple as that.

Only Nxt is building consistently and they are only just starting (see the nxttechnologytree.com)

Mom and Pop aren't ready for crypto because crypto isn't ready for them.

Ah.. So instead of saying "NXT is like Linux...", it's more like NXT is something like TCP/IP, that needs a layer on top of it to make it useful for ordinary people...?

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I see your question "How do you get ordinary people to use TCP/IP?"

You don't. You give the 0.1% of society the tools to build the next internet. Where it goes from there, you can't predict. Technology (decentralized shops, ebay, DNS, data storage, unfalsifiable data retrival) will attract businesses if it provides the opportunity for profit. Users will only provide businesses with an income stream if they see the benefit of moving away from current systems. Simple as that.

Only Nxt is building consistently and they are only just starting (see the nxttechnologytree.com)

Mom and Pop aren't ready for crypto because crypto isn't ready for them.

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Quote from: Daedelus on April 08, 2015, 08:58:49 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on April 08, 2015, 08:44:33 AM

I mean an API. Something to make it easier for other devs to deploy NXT wallets.

Nxt has APIs, over 150 of them (approx).

https://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Nxt_API

Many wallets and features (i.e. Supernet) use Nxt APIs to generate messages, prepare transactions etc. etc. used by third party devs. Nxt is designed to be built on, to move away form the core devs.

When people say "we don't need tech, we need stuff average Joe will use", I hear

"we don't need the internet, we need facebook" or
"we don't need satellites, we need mobile phones" or
"we don't need electronic optics, we need selfie sticks"

.. and usually I have a little wry smile, exhale and then carry on Cheesy

How would you get ordinary people to use NXT?

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Quote from: Daedelus on April 08, 2015, 08:58:49 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on April 08, 2015, 08:44:33 AM

I mean an API. Something to make it easier for other devs to deploy NXT wallets.

Nxt has APIs, over 150 of them (approx).

https://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Nxt_API

Many wallets and features (i.e. Supernet) use Nxt APIs to generate messages, prepare transactions etc. etc. used by third party devs. Nxt is designed to be built on, to move away form the core devs.

When people say "we don't need tech, we need stuff average Joe will use", I hear

"we don't need the internet, we need facebook" or
"we don't need satellites, we need mobile phones" or
"we don't need electronic optics, we need selfie sticks"

.. and usually I have a little wry smile, exhale and then carry on Cheesy

Awesome reply.

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 08, 2015, 08:44:33 AM

I mean an API. Something to make it easier for other devs to deploy NXT wallets.

Nxt has APIs, over 150 of them (approx).

https://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Nxt_API

Many wallets and features (i.e. Supernet) use Nxt APIs to generate messages, prepare transactions etc. etc. used by third party devs. Nxt is designed to be built on, to move away form the core devs.

When people say "we don't need tech, we need stuff average Joe will use", I hear

"we don't need the internet, we need facebook" or
"we don't need satellites, we need mobile phones" or
"we don't need electronic optics, we need selfie sticks"

.. and usually I have a little wry smile, exhale and then carry on Cheesy

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Quote from: BTCDDev on April 08, 2015, 08:36:07 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on April 08, 2015, 08:30:08 AM

But maybe something like this for NXT could help. https://block.io

Many applications like this can now be built using the Jay wallet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74tdKxKVZHU

It abstracts away interfacing with the actual NXT wallet, signs everything locally, and is pure HTML/JavaScript.

I'll check it out. Thanks...

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I mean an API. Something to make it easier for other devs to deploy NXT wallets.

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 08, 2015, 08:30:08 AM

But maybe something like this for NXT could help. https://block.io

Many applications like this can now be built using the Jay wallet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74tdKxKVZHU

It abstracts away interfacing with the actual NXT wallet, signs everything locally, and is pure HTML/JavaScript.

jnxt.org/jay

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https://nxtblocks.info/
https://wallet.mynxt.info/

There are Android, iOS, Winphone and alternative standard wallets (including wallet.dat files) if you prefer.

https://www.mofowallet.com/
https://nxtforum.org/nxt-mobile/(ann)-nxt-mobile/

So much sage and informed opinion here... Cheesy

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