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legendary
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November 19, 2016, 09:21:08 AM
#52
Voter turnout has always been an issue and a problem in United States elections. While all the votes have not been counted for this year, it is looking like the voter turnout is actually above that of the 2012 election, at 56% overall. In this election, it was mostly Democrats that decided not to vote (Bernie Sanders supporters) and that tilted the Presidency to Trump's favor. Clinton under-performed Obama's numbers of 2012 by more than 5 million votes.

This was the big problem with Hillary Clinton. Many of Obama's supporters and voters did not supported her all the way...in the end she lost the race to the other side. However, things like these are now for the books as the election is over and we now have a President-elect Trump coming to the White House this January.

Many people in USA can not yet believe what happened and they want to scrap the Electoral College set-up but that is so myopic...changing the system just to suit someone's political interest will not result into something positive for the country and will only produce more problems.

Clinton rigged the democrat primaries to win the nomination. So she doesn't have any moral right to complain now. During the election campaign, she demonized certain voter groups, such as blue collar whites and conservatives. That is the reason why she lost.
hero member
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November 19, 2016, 05:07:12 AM
#51
Voter turnout has always been an issue and a problem in United States elections. While all the votes have not been counted for this year, it is looking like the voter turnout is actually above that of the 2012 election, at 56% overall. In this election, it was mostly Democrats that decided not to vote (Bernie Sanders supporters) and that tilted the Presidency to Trump's favor. Clinton under-performed Obama's numbers of 2012 by more than 5 million votes.

This was the big problem with Hillary Clinton. Many of Obama's supporters and voters did not supported her all the way...in the end she lost the race to the other side. However, things like these are now for the books as the election is over and we now have a President-elect Trump coming to the White House this January.

Many people in USA can not yet believe what happened and they want to scrap the Electoral College set-up but that is so myopic...changing the system just to suit someone's political interest will not result into something positive for the country and will only produce more problems.
legendary
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November 18, 2016, 09:24:19 PM
#50

So just in the case that i am the delusional one please quote and bold your refutations.

I don't frequent bitcointalk.org in order to provide remedial reading instruction.  Sorry.

Right you just come here to spout delusional nonsense because in rl people just walk past you whenever they see you right?

The standard of discussion reached a new low at this forum.
Congrats to all the "we against the world and their wealthy elite masters".

Go back to your flat earth society and alex jones blogs.
If you arent able to have a proper discussion why do you come to a forum in the first place?


Jones has a blog?  I've not seen it.

I've seen Alex Jones' Infowars news network and indeed have followed it quite a bit since Super Tue.  The reason why is that it was one of the only real news outlets which fairly covered a broad range of items in detail.  This is one of the reasons why I knew that the polls were fake as hell and was not boo-hooing from a state of stunned shock when the hoped-for and necessary Trump landslide made the election un-theftable.

Please do continue to assail Infowars with whole-cloth bullshit like 'flat earth' and 'lizard people'.  These are demonstrable inversions of reality and make your fake-news side sink that much faster.

legendary
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November 18, 2016, 08:56:32 PM
#49

I didnt see you refute one single claim of mine.

All you say is pretty much hillary is a bitch.

You dont think that deserves  a #rekt? Be honest  Grin


I know you didn't.  You and so many others like you are as blind as a bat on such things.  We don't want to throw you in a re-education camp...just figure out what went wrong here and try to fix it so we don't have another lost generation.  We can supply you folks with 'play-doh and coloring books' while you run out the clock.

So just in the case that i am the delusional one please quote and bold your refutations.

I don't frequent bitcointalk.org in order to provide remedial reading instruction.  Sorry.




Right you just come here to spout delusional nonsense because in rl people just walk past you whenever they see you right?

The standard of discussion reached a new low at this forum.
Congrats to all the "we against the world and their wealthy elite masters".

Go back to your flat earth society and alex jones blogs.
If you arent able to have a proper discussion why do you come to a forum in the first place?
legendary
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November 18, 2016, 08:31:10 PM
#48

I didnt see you refute one single claim of mine.

All you say is pretty much hillary is a bitch.

You dont think that deserves  a #rekt? Be honest  Grin


I know you didn't.  You and so many others like you are as blind as a bat on such things.  We don't want to throw you in a re-education camp...just figure out what went wrong here and try to fix it so we don't have another lost generation.  We can supply you folks with 'play-doh and coloring books' while you run out the clock.

So just in the case that i am the delusional one please quote and bold your refutations.

I don't frequent bitcointalk.org in order to provide remedial reading instruction.  Sorry.

legendary
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November 18, 2016, 08:24:30 PM
#47

I didnt see you refute one single claim of mine.

All you say is pretty much hillary is a bitch.

You dont think that deserves  a #rekt? Be honest  Grin


I know you didn't.  You and so many others like you are as blind as a bat on such things.  We don't want to throw you in a re-education camp...just figure out what went wrong here and try to fix it so we don't have another lost generation.  We can supply you folks with 'play-doh and coloring books' while you run out the clock.



So just in the case that i am the delusional one please quote and bold your refutations.
legendary
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November 18, 2016, 08:21:10 PM
#46

I didnt see you refute one single claim of mine.

All you say is pretty much hillary is a bitch.

You dont think that deserves  a #rekt? Be honest  Grin


I know you didn't.  You and so many others like you are as blind as a bat on such things.  We don't want to throw you in a re-education camp...just figure out what went wrong here and try to fix it so we don't have another lost generation.  We can supply you folks with 'play-doh and coloring books' while you run out the clock.

legendary
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November 18, 2016, 08:14:52 PM
#45

Hillary could have gotten a trillion. Nobody cares - because this discussion is about trump and the wall street.
I showed more then enough proof which you either decided to ignore or sidestep by changing the topic to hillary, who lost the election and is totaly unimportant to the discussion at hand.

One nice quote about your anti wealthy elite wall street hero:

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A populist candidate who railed against shady financial interests on the trail is putting together an administration that looks like an investment banker's dream.

#rekt

#rekt by an unattributed nonsense quote?  I guess it's good enough for your type these days.  I've gotten used to it by now.

I'll feel free to talk as much as I like about Hillary until we 'lock her up', or until she croaks.  By the looks of things that day might come fairly soon.



I didnt see you refute one single claim of mine.

All you say is pretty much hillary is a bitch.

You dont think that deserves  a #rekt? Be honest  Grin

Edit

Do you mind to explain why that quote is nonsense (and all of my other claims about trump)?

Edit 2

I would bet with you that hillary wont go to jail while trump is president.
legendary
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November 18, 2016, 08:11:27 PM
#44

Hillary could have gotten a trillion. Nobody cares - because this discussion is about trump and the wall street.
I showed more then enough proof which you either decided to ignore or sidestep by changing the topic to hillary, who lost the election and is totaly unimportant to the discussion at hand.

One nice quote about your anti wealthy elite wall street hero:

Quote
A populist candidate who railed against shady financial interests on the trail is putting together an administration that looks like an investment banker's dream.

#rekt

#rekt by an unattributed nonsense quote?  I guess it's good enough for your type these days.  I've gotten used to it by now.

I'll feel free to talk as much as I like about Hillary until we 'lock her up', or until she croaks.  By the looks of things that day might come fairly soon.

legendary
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November 18, 2016, 07:57:53 PM
#43
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Trump wants to sweep all this in one go.
If you though that wall street loves hillary, you gonna see a lot of homo-butt-sex between trump and the wall street boys.

Ya, that's why the banks gave Trump so much money and so little to Hillary I suppose.  Right?

I guess Hillary was a two-bit/speech quarter-million-dollars/speech whore while Trump found the compensation to be unsatisfactory else he'd have been prostituting himself as she was.

As I've said, I would like to see not only the so-called 'regulations' you worship but the whole fucking monetary system swept away since it is the only source of power that props up the current crop of shadow government tyrants.  I hope they push Trump hard enough so he does exactly that.

Trump is fiat billionaire. He would be the last person on earth to change the global monetary system.
Your arguments have more holes then a swiss cheese.

Btw. Fact is that trump got ~5 million directly from wall street and has best connections there.
But what a surprise who would have though that about a billionare with connections even to the mafia (not only the wall street but the real one).

5 million?  Wow, stop the presses!  Didn't the election cost Hillary like half a billion (which, for the numerically challenged, is 500 million) ?  OK, true, she didn't get it all from Wall Street.  Plenty came from the same Saudi and Qatari governments who also fund ISIS.

Trump seems to be in the same category I am.  My holdings are in property (not owning other people's debt and not carrying debt myself.)  So, he's probably mainly neutral in financial statement terms when it comes to our monetary system and money supply being owned by the private federal reserve.



Hillary could have gotten a trillion. Nobody cares - because this discussion is about trump and the wall street.
I showed more then enough proof which you either decided to ignore or sidestep by changing the topic to hillary, who lost the election and is totaly unimportant to the discussion at hand.

One nice quote about your anti wealthy elite wall street hero:

Quote
A populist candidate who railed against shady financial interests on the trail is putting together an administration that looks like an investment banker's dream.


#rekt
legendary
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November 18, 2016, 07:52:03 PM
#42
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Trump wants to sweep all this in one go.
If you though that wall street loves hillary, you gonna see a lot of homo-butt-sex between trump and the wall street boys.

Ya, that's why the banks gave Trump so much money and so little to Hillary I suppose.  Right?

I guess Hillary was a two-bit/speech quarter-million-dollars/speech whore while Trump found the compensation to be unsatisfactory else he'd have been prostituting himself as she was.

As I've said, I would like to see not only the so-called 'regulations' you worship but the whole fucking monetary system swept away since it is the only source of power that props up the current crop of shadow government tyrants.  I hope they push Trump hard enough so he does exactly that.

Trump is fiat billionaire. He would be the last person on earth to change the global monetary system.
Your arguments have more holes then a swiss cheese.

Btw. Fact is that trump got ~5 million directly from wall street and has best connections there.
But what a surprise who would have though that about a billionare with connections even to the mafia (not only the wall street but the real one).

5 million?  Wow, stop the presses!  Didn't the election cost Hillary like half a billion (which, for the numerically challenged, is 500 million) ?  OK, true, she didn't get it all from Wall Street.  Plenty came from the same Saudi and Qatari governments who also fund ISIS.

Trump seems to be in the same category I am.  My holdings are in property (not owning other people's debt and not carrying debt myself.)  So, he's probably mainly neutral in financial statement terms when it comes to our monetary system and money supply being owned by the private federal reserve.

legendary
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November 18, 2016, 07:43:12 PM
#41
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Trump wants to sweep all this in one go.
If you though that wall street loves hillary, you gonna see a lot of homo-butt-sex between trump and the wall street boys.

Ya, that's why the banks gave Trump so much money and so little to Hillary I suppose.  Right?

I guess Hillary was a two-bit/speech quarter-million-dollars/speech whore while Trump found the compensation to be unsatisfactory else he'd have been prostituting himself as she was.

As I've said, I would like to see not only the so-called 'regulations' you worship but the whole fucking monetary system swept away since it is the only source of power that props up the current crop of shadow government tyrants.  I hope they push Trump hard enough so he does exactly that.



Trump is fiat billionaire. He would be the last person on earth to change the global monetary system.

Your arguments have more holes then a swiss cheese.

Btw. Fact is that trump got ~5 million directly from wall street and has best connections there.
But what a surprise who would have though that about a billionare with connections even to the mafia (not only the wall street but the real one).

Edit

Trumps minister of finance: Steven Mnuchin


LOL

legendary
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November 18, 2016, 07:35:12 PM
#40
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Trump wants to sweep all this in one go.
If you though that wall street loves hillary, you gonna see a lot of homo-butt-sex between trump and the wall street boys.

Ya, that's why the banks gave Trump so much money and so little to Hillary I suppose.  Right?

I guess Hillary was a two-bit/speech quarter-million-dollars/speech whore while Trump found the compensation to be unsatisfactory else he'd have been prostituting himself as she was.

As I've said, I would like to see not only the so-called 'regulations' you worship but the whole fucking monetary system swept away since it is the only source of power that props up the current crop of shadow government tyrants.  I hope they push Trump hard enough so he does exactly that.

legendary
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November 18, 2016, 07:06:59 PM
#39
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Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
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Dodd-Frank's only real impact was making operations difficult and unpleasant for the smaller operators which had the (probably not unintended) consequence of reducing competition for the large players.  It absolutely had no impact that I can see on malfeasance within larger corporations or any impact on the rapid stratification of wealth in this country and evaporation of the middle-class.

Dodd proved himself a crony asshole immediately upon exiting 'public service.'  Frank, while being maybe the most entertaining people I've ever seen in a debate, was by no means a 'man of the people.'  His deep seated power roots were laid bare for all to see when he was caught molesting under-age male pages with no particular negative consequences.  Indeed, it seemed to have made him 'cool and trendy' in the eyes of much of our progressive electorate.



Regulating derivatives trading, increasing banks equity capital, increasing fed transparency, creating a consumer protection bureau, less speculation from banks with fed money...  just to mention some of the really good stuff.

wtf did you manage to miss the financial crisis 2008?

Trump wants to sweep all this in one go.
If you though that wall street loves hillary, you gonna see a lot of homo-butt-sex between trump and the wall street boys.

legendary
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November 18, 2016, 03:32:31 PM
#38
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Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
...

Dodd-Frank's only real impact was making operations difficult and unpleasant for the smaller operators which had the (probably not unintended) consequence of reducing competition for the large players.  It absolutely had no impact that I can see on malfeasance within larger corporations or any impact on the rapid stratification of wealth in this country and evaporation of the middle-class.

Dodd proved himself a crony asshole immediately upon exiting 'public service.'  Frank, while being maybe the most entertaining people I've ever seen in a debate, was by no means a 'man of the people.'  His deep seated power roots were laid bare for all to see when he was caught molesting under-age male pages with no particular negative consequences.  Indeed, it seemed to have made him 'cool and trendy' in the eyes of much of our progressive electorate.

legendary
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November 18, 2016, 02:45:22 PM
#37

The banks continue to win, as always.  Smiley

Trump's former life put him generally in competition with 'the banks.'  When he negotiated it was opposite of this class and he did have a near-death business experience at their hands as they leveraged their powers at his expense (put another way, they took his shit).  Obviously Trump would have had relationships and friendships within the financial services sector, but generally speaking his situation as a seller of debt and their situation as a buyer defined an adversarial relationship when the pleasantries were pushed aside.

Trump learned how to cope and bragged numerous times on the trail that he was 'carrying very little debt.'  Reading between the lines, this was one of my take-aways and one of the reasons I became hopeful about the guy.  He also said at least one time when I was watching that 'while friends, these are horrible and vicious people' or something along these lines.  Who better should know?

That is why one of his main goals is to deregulate the banking sector. Cheesy

Alex jokes believer duh

In case you didn't notice, almost without exception the 'regulations' were written by the banks themselves.  And locked in by the politicians funded by them.

Trump will prove or dis-prove himself when (probably not 'if') he and his choose between 'bail-outs', 'bail-ins', or 'other'.

No rational person I know is willing to predict with certainty one way or another which way Trump will go.  That includes me, Jones, or anyone else who's analysis I value.



Oh dear i forgive you because you dont know what you are talking about.

Here 2 things that you better look up:

Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act


Im pretty sure you believe that trump urinates holy water and is the second coming of jesus?

 Cheesy
legendary
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November 18, 2016, 02:38:12 PM
#36

The banks continue to win, as always.  Smiley

Trump's former life put him generally in competition with 'the banks.'  When he negotiated it was opposite of this class and he did have a near-death business experience at their hands as they leveraged their powers at his expense (put another way, they took his shit).  Obviously Trump would have had relationships and friendships within the financial services sector, but generally speaking his situation as a seller of debt and their situation as a buyer defined an adversarial relationship when the pleasantries were pushed aside.

Trump learned how to cope and bragged numerous times on the trail that he was 'carrying very little debt.'  Reading between the lines, this was one of my take-aways and one of the reasons I became hopeful about the guy.  He also said at least one time when I was watching that 'while friends, these are horrible and vicious people' or something along these lines.  Who better should know?

That is why one of his main goals is to deregulate the banking sector. Cheesy

Alex jokes believer duh

In case you didn't notice, almost without exception the 'regulations' were written by the banks themselves.  And locked in by the politicians funded by them.

Trump will prove or dis-prove himself when (probably not 'if') he and his choose between 'bail-outs', 'bail-ins', or 'other'.

No rational person I know is willing to predict with certainty one way or another which way Trump will go.  That includes me, Jones, or anyone else who's analysis I value.

legendary
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November 18, 2016, 02:32:29 PM
#35

The banks continue to win, as always.  Smiley

Trump's former life put him generally in competition with 'the banks.'  When he negotiated it was opposite of this class and he did have a near-death business experience at their hands as they leveraged their powers at his expense (put another way, they took his shit).  Obviously Trump would have had relationships and friendships within the financial services sector, but generally speaking his situation as a seller of debt and their situation as a buyer defined an adversarial relationship when the pleasantries were pushed aside.

Trump learned how to cope and bragged numerous times on the trail that he was 'carrying very little debt.'  Reading between the lines, this was one of my take-aways and one of the reasons I became hopeful about the guy.  He also said at least one time when I was watching that 'while friends, these are horrible and vicious people' or something along these lines.  Who better should know?




That is why one of his main goals is to deregulate the banking sector. Cheesy

Alex jokes believer duh
legendary
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November 18, 2016, 02:26:28 PM
#34

The banks continue to win, as always.  Smiley

Trump's former life put him generally in competition with 'the banks.'  When he negotiated it was opposite of this class and he did have a near-death business experience at their hands as they leveraged their powers at his expense (put another way, they took his shit).  Obviously Trump would have had relationships and friendships within the financial services sector, but generally speaking his situation as a seller of debt and their situation as a buyer defined an adversarial relationship when the pleasantries were pushed aside.

Trump learned how to cope and bragged numerous times on the trail that he was 'carrying very little debt.'  Reading between the lines, this was one of my take-aways and one of the reasons I became hopeful about the guy.  He also said at least one time when I was watching that 'while friends, these are horrible and vicious people' or something along these lines.  Who better should know?

sr. member
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November 18, 2016, 01:59:02 PM
#33
The issue of participating in election by majority of the population has been an issue of concern but I didnt know its the same in advanced countries like this.  Over here you see an average of 22 million people deciding for a population of over 150 million people despite all the cries and campaign that they should come out and vote but our case is different as we dont use electoral colleges and based on OP analysis if it were to my country, then Hillary will be the winner even if it were to be by few votes...

yes, I am surprised by the voting system in which the voice of the people do not count. I do not think it's right.
But the fact remains, and now we need to try to take a new president
The voice of the people was with Trump when they went to the polling booth and what is the problem now people have to accept the democratically and constitutionally elected President
The voice of the people was Hillary. She received more of the popular vote by almost a million! Just the imperfection of the electoral legislation in America brought to its present state.
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