Topic: The Reality of this forum - page 2. (Read 2677 times)

Why do I care? Because I am part of this forum, even though with a low rank.
And if there are rules of forum members that are changed, surely everyone will feel it, even though it is very difficult for one side. And if there is no concern here, even though it does not benefit yourself, then I consider the purpose of this forum to be a failure. Because if everyone is selfish, everything will be messed up.

And thank you very much for praising me. Your final answer has explained everything. Hopefully this forum can improve itself and benefit all people.

Thank you, nice to meet you

The merit system was implemented to prevent people just signing up here with multiple accounts just to milk campaigns for all they're worth and that's what it curbs. Why are you people so concerned with others and something that doesn't effect you? You're acting like the kids who want to take their own ball home because if they can't play then nobody else can. This 'rich get richer' bullshit is tiring.  Concentrate on yourself rather than others and either deal with it or go away because whining isn't going to do you any good at all.

As for people who abuse the merit system, they are dealt with by the community with negative feedback and that's the best we can do, but I'd concern yourself with your own posts and merits rather than anyone else.

You mix two different problems with each other: spamming and account farming. Spam, which by the way is most often manifested in the terrible quality of posts, and not in their huge number, comes mainly from the newbie rank participants. Spammers are those who don`t understand the subject at the proper level, so they write silly, useless comments, just to fulfill bounty quota. Therefore, no one says that only newbies are spammers, or that all newbies are necessarily spammers. Members of higher ranks may also suffer from this disease. But most often spam comes from newbies, as they aren`t familiar enough with the rules of the forum, and throw their strength to get easy money from signature campaigns.

Account farms, in turn, can be created by anyone, regardless of rank. The fact that a person has alternative accounts and with their help participates in bounty campaigns doesn`t mean that he`s a spammer, since he can write high-quality and constructive posts from all his accounts. Another issue is that these people also violate forum rules, but they do it in a different way than spammers. The apogee of these two problems are members of the forum, which combine the features of spammers and account farmers. They become the main reason for widespread violation of the rules, and cause a huge wave of dissatisfaction and irritation of forum participants seeking to follow the original goals of this site.

I think you are talking about the members who received a lot of merits in the introduction of the merit system. Merit is not moderated by the forum but DT members will red tagged if any member found guilty for merit abuse scenarios regardless of their rank. So it's not about the rank mate. The truth is they can't trade their merits for their alts forever. They will eventually dried up their initial airdropped merits. Most of the good bounty managers now put earned merit requirements for joining signature campaigns and also they will manually overlook the profile of the candidate whether merit abuse scenario happened before approval. Even most of the managers will not accept the members having red tagged (specially for merit abusers) for their signature campaigns. As a whole admin/mods/DT members were taken the necessary actions to overcome the spam and merit trading problems but sometimes even they can't stop these problems 100%. They all are humans too and spammers will found new ways every day to beat the system. So what we can do is report every time when you found out merit abuse scenarios to DT members which having solid evidence.

Giving away your sMerits for quality stuff is up to every individual member. If we all do their part there will be no complaining about the way merits distributed. Punishment for breaking a rule is always there whether higher rank or lower rank. There is no flexibility when it comes to the violation of rules and also we all should remember if you are not knowing the law is not an excuse when you found guilty for breaking a forum rule. I have seen that most of the members who break the law were saying that they are innocent in the first place and then saying we don't know the rule so give me a second chance.

BTW can you point out an example where officials became more flexible for a higher rank member found guilty for violation of forum rule?

Forum Reality, ideally creates a new paradigm and concept and even new policies on rules to produce good Bitcointalk Members at the Bitcointalk Forum. This means that people no longer think backward, generally think ahead, the Forum is an object of knowledge / information, but not the subject of a place to make money.

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<> Along with the development of information technology, dedicated, and oriented to the progress of the Forum, all will show one of them in the quality and sustainability of the results of the Forum Rules that have been implemented. Hopefully?

<> Plus, there are no two identical or identical brains. If there is no exact same brain, doesn't that mean there is no processed information about the Reality Forum, which is the same between one human being and another?

<> Even so, I also don't like it if the problem of differences in perspective or definition of reality is actually used as justification in the name of ego and laziness, not working in the real world.?

Then what would you or forum developer do to overcome them, spammer or multiple accounts that already have a high rank, the large amount of merit can divide into other cloning accounts only to join Signature Campaign. Then whether the post with high quality still applies to them, I don't think so. Similar to the government system, high ranking officials will be more flexible even though what they do is wrong, and the people will get punishment even though they are innocent.

You really made a good point, but like they said change is constant, some of the hero members in this forum has been here when their nothing like bounty, they join the forum because they love bitcoin and want to be part of the community,

Since the inception of ICO's and bounty most people that join the forum do so because of the bounty and i won't deny i am one of such, bounty attracted me to the forum in the first place and it is the same with majority here.

So I think what is implement on the system is right and those hero members deserve their spot because they are true supporters 

We don't and I'm not sure why you would think we are just picking on Newbies. You now merely need one merit to become a Junior Member. You need ONE HUNDRED to become a Full Member, and ONE THOUSAND to become a Legendary. Why are you not complaining about us attacking them? The problem is people are coming here in droves to farm thousands of accounts just by spamming and we need to stop that and the best way to do that is to make sure they're making quality posts and once rewarded for them via merit they get to move up ranks. If they spam or make low quality contributions then they will forever remain a low rank as they should.

I think, you just think about winning yourself, yes, you have got a pretty big rank here. And you will think of helping to try to remove spammer, who is dominated by small rank, Newbie. And I read a lot of posts and comments, since the new rules (Jr Members need 1 merit) newbie rank is getting oppressed here.
Let's see, why is Newbie so hated this end → being considered a spammer → why is there a spammer? - because there is a prize for that (wherever there is a spammer, there must be income for him).

Why only see a Newbie account as a spammer? Surely you think, it's easy enough, just create an account (without the need for quality contributions), follow the campaign, and get a prize.
And I, Newbie account owner think otherwise, why don't you see a spammer at a higher rank, and bully him too? Don't you think, a high rank account with a lot of merit will not produce multi-account users or spam workers to join the prize campaign?
In fact it is higher than the income of a Newbie account spammer. Just imagine.

If there are still gift systems that rely on high rank accounts as a requirement and a high number of prizes, such as the Signature Campaign. Believe me, spammers and multi-account cheating will still be there. Think about this, this is the task of forum developers.

And introduce me to beginners, first I join this forum, just look at the point of view of Bounty. Yes, it's very natural to be interested in earning income rather than other topics, but I don't immediately understand how to join a bounty campaign, so I search and read a number of related posts on how to follow the Bounty and over time to increase knowledge, I am also interested in reading other topics. Well here are the main uses of the forum.
And the purpose of speaking as above, I want to voice the opinion of a Newbie, that we are also like you first, but we join at different times, forum is advanced, and many rivals to make quality posts and help, and even quality posts are not guaranteed to get merit . Merit is good for sharing.
Our enemy is now a spammer, because we feel oppressed here because of that.
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Believe me, your statement does not help, and will make things worse if done. Just imagine, like in a school class, you can get knowledge, values, awards from within. As you say, who will let cheaters, cheaters get good grades or praise from the teacher? That will produce something worse in the future.

You have to understand as well that not all poster here has a high standard. That is the reason why demoting somebody is not allowable and not fair as well in my opinion.

This forum consists  a lot of different type of posters
Highest standards quality posters.
Above average standard quality posters.
Average standard quality posters.
Below standard
Spammers.

Now most of the average standards and below standard posters doesn't get merits for some reason that includes(posting into wrong threads,wrong timing in which their good posts were not recognized)




You have a lot of holes for your idea. Another disadvantage is that there are some users here who are actually just providing their services and will only reply to those and take note that most of them are not getting merits as they are not that active. Therefore no watter what will you do for me theymos will also has the same reasoning for that and will not consider demoting certain users.

We all need such massively positive effect.

This is one of main reasons why I have a idea that someday, @Theymos should implement new rank requirement which focus on the automatically raised required merits for each rank chronologically.
What I meant is, over a schedule timeframe, for instance 6 months, users at each rank have to satisfy their required merits (new required ones) in order to keep staying at their current ranks. If not, they will be automatically demoted.
To be more clarified, if someone is a Full Member for now, and fortunately stood at the rank with 100 automatically airdroped merits because they was Full Member before the beginning day of the system. Then, what will happen if those guys have perfect opportunities to stay at Full Member rank forever?
It is truly un-fair, right? If someone can not earn even 1 or 10 merit over six months, it makes a lot of sense. And, those ones should be demoted somehow, in my stance.
As you wondered, Spambies are not only Newbies, old Junior Members, but also included some higher-ranked users.

That is the whole point of the current merit system and we obviously are seeing that effect.

The stuck fever is not just happening to what you called "spambies" but to other high member spammers as well.

The only problem that we have to deal right now is the abuse in which spambies who have connection and budget can really go up because they can easily talk about sending each others merit

One of the most interesting fact of the BTT forum is there are thousands of Spambies turned back to Newbies as effects of new rank requirements.
Newbies and Spambies by now highly correlated each other.
I am not the one, who invented the term - Spambies - but I love this term, which immediately provide quick assessment on quality of forum users.
Newbies who have hundred threads published in total will be truly Spambies. It makes lot of sense because only trash threads can not get merits, especially no merit point with hundred or thousand threads
Spambies will be stucked at Newbies if they will keep spamming the forum and can not get at least one merited thread.

Well the idea of spamming from the high rank members is really disgusting and serve not as a good example to newbies or the beginners. The reality is that most of us are here to raise funds but the bad aspect of it is that many people don't even care to know what the product the are dealing with is all about  which is very bad. And the idea of stopping signature campaign on this forum as you have already stated above will have a negative impact on the number of people visiting here and the beginners will have no much information here to access.

Thanks for your support, but there's only one guy that needs convincing of that. Doesn't even need to be me either as I'm sure there's other staff that can help out greatly here. Rickbig is probably just as active as I am and is probably handling more reports than I do these days. It's not just me who is getting frustrated though. There are lots of other mods and users (who some also probably deserve to be mods by now) that are clearly frustrated about the lack of action happening and could also be helping out in various ways here. I think if theymos doesn't trust anyone to be an admin then he should ask or even beg BadBear to come back if there's nobody else suitable because work just isn't getting done that needs to be right now.


I think maybe we could keep Serious Discussion as it is, but maybe make the merit requirement to post in the Ivory Tower much higher. I suggested a board for high merited users previously here and this would have the same effect. Theymos did even put the idea of sub boards for high merited users in the 'maybe' catagory so I have hope they could one day be implemented.

Correction, until now dude . Sad to say but many poor high-ranked members can still be able to continue their bad posting habits without getting noticed because of two reasons: 1: others feel hesitated everytime they want to advise an oldie. 2. the eye of this forum was too focused on the mistakes of newbie shitposters. To sum up, it seems that they got exempted from the negative criticisms coming from the others .
Then you should be the one to make the first move, you are now free to remove the signature you advertise. Hmm, I bet you can't. Your word is a two-edged sword my friend.

Why do you want signature campaigns to get removed if these contribute to the collected revenue of our forum? And besides, you can join campaigs while not harming the forum at the same time, right? My point is, the real problem here are the ones who came here for wrong reasons (as what you've said) and not the campaign itself. Those kind of users are the main responsible for all of this mess .

Ps: No offense sir. Peace

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Not a bad idea coming from sir Jet Cash. I'll will also agree with this one. Recently, I noticed that most of the repetitive or even nonsense threads came from jr. Members and newbies and I have a good feeling that disallowing them to do so will cause great spam reduction .

I back you on that call Loyce. hilarious, like yourself is a credit to the forums & I enjoy what he’s all about. Have conversed with him over a number of years & always found him strict but fair. Likeable dude too, if only he didn’t keep doing so well in our Premier League betting pool so far this season.

Can I vote hilarious for president Admin? For many months now, I can taste your frustration about what is happening to this forum, and the frustration that even as a Global Mod, you can't do much about it.
You seem to have the time, dedication and attitude to make this forum better.

I agree that you can teach only those who are interested. Therefore, in my post I suggested starting with interest, not with crypto learning and trainings. We know that many people come here to earn money. We also know that many of them don`t want to study, because they are not interested. Therefore, it is necessary to ask the question: why are they not interested? It would seem that crypto-currencies and blockchain are a global breakthrough, which we have the opportunity not only to observe and evaluate, but also to take direct part in it.

I believe that people are not interested because they don`t understand. Remember the children in the school who did anything except study? They weren`t interested in what the teacher was saying, because they didn`t understand him. But when the material was explained to the child with the right approach, he began to show interest. The same thing happens on the forum. Coryphaeuses of the forum, true crypto-enthusiasts should feel like teachers and interest newcomers. Then the latter will have a desire to learn and they will do it right, because there will be mentors who will guide them.