You should also understand and take note that not all offense leads to a permanent ban,there are other punishments that are applicable based on the offense committed
Some attracts a temporary ban for a specific amount of days,while some accounts are nuked
While offenses such as plagiarism attracts a permanent ban,and I think it's a well deserved punishment and should not be reversed.
Topic: The reason behind "permanent" banning? (Read 449 times)
I understand what you want, but keep in mind that everyone here is a bitcointalk member, "nothing more," a privately owned forum.
"Who is the one who punishes and who makes the rules in your house, the answer must be you ...? There's no way other people will take over.
This is not a government that has combat troops, judges and police who punish those who are wrong in prison or fine.
The rules forum already exists, just living it, if you can't afford to leave it, make it easy?
You know the English royal system, which was wrongly removed from the palace or the death penalty. Depending on the level of error.
"Who is the one who punishes and who makes the rules in your house, the answer must be you ...? There's no way other people will take over.
This is not a government that has combat troops, judges and police who punish those who are wrong in prison or fine.
The rules forum already exists, just living it, if you can't afford to leave it, make it easy?
You know the English royal system, which was wrongly removed from the palace or the death penalty. Depending on the level of error.
Recently, I read the following thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/humble-request-to-unban-my-account-darkie199-5104259
...and felt bad for its OP. It looks a bit harsh and cruel to permanently ban an account for spamming, plagiarism, or whatever the (similar) reason is.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/humble-request-to-unban-my-account-darkie199-5104259
...and felt bad for its OP. It looks a bit harsh and cruel to permanently ban an account for spamming, plagiarism, or whatever the (similar) reason is.
It feels a little harsh but rules are rules, my friend. Every community/society has a set of rules where the acts of against them can't be broken. Once you try to bend the rules because of one user. Then you will start raising questions and destroying the communities moral code.i
In Bitcointalk plagiarism and other acts of spamming are considered bloody evil and every user must know that it can get you banished for life.
I will quote the original post of theymos later, when I saw it again, not found ATM. I don't remember where I read it 
He also makes that clear here:Anything that'd get you expelled from a university for plagiarism (which all of the above-banned examples would) will get you permabanned from this forum, regardless of your rank.
And, theymos emphasized that even years after the publishing day of posts, if plagiarism found, users will get permanent ban.
I will quote the original post of theymos later, when I saw it again, not found ATM. I don't remember where I read it
I will quote the original post of theymos later, when I saw it again, not found ATM. I don't remember where I read it
It's written in the topic Writing a welcome message.
Plagiarism: If you copy some text from somewhere, then you should have a good reason for it, and you must link to the source. Doing otherwise is plagiarism. Changing a few words around doesn't matter. If we find that you plagiarized, then you absolutely will be permanently banned, even if we find it years after you did it.
IMO, lifetime bans should be replaced with something like 90-days ban. This much duration is enough to make someone realise the mistake!
Honestly if you try find difference between real life prison & lifetime ban from forum than you have to understand the result of punishment first.In real life people get punishment for a period of time. Where he signs a lot of agreements during his bail. Thats why if he commit any further crime in future will get more punishment according to his agreement.
But in forum if anyone did the same thing twice you have nothing to do. Because its not possible to take legal actions against him. So its the best choice to give anyone lifetime ban. Otherwise there's always a chance for another scam.
Copy pasting is like making fool of others. Any effort In a greed to earn money / merits by breaking forum rules, if not dealt with properly will be at the cost of others who are doing some labor to complete this job.
So punishment is must; which is permanent ban presently.
Though I do not seen any chance but may be the punishment (perma ban) changes in future if the administrators think any change to be beneficial for the forum.
So punishment is must; which is permanent ban presently.
Though I do not seen any chance but may be the punishment (perma ban) changes in future if the administrators think any change to be beneficial for the forum.
Permanent bans are common in the internet forums by the way. Do you know what is scarier? You as a person is also permanently banned from using this forum.
But,
Sometimes people here are more forgiving, and let the culprits start over with new accounts. They will be fine as long as they really change their behavior. But, from what I see, I lost faith in humanity. "People don't change."
But,
Sometimes people here are more forgiving, and let the culprits start over with new accounts. They will be fine as long as they really change their behavior. But, from what I see, I lost faith in humanity. "People don't change."
Plagiarism is very serious offense just like terrorism is, because you are stealing someone else hard work without acknowledging the original owner of the content. And if you take your time to go through the forum rules you will see that their are other measures of punishing member, such as temporary ban and first time and second time offender which come with stipulated time ban. I think this should be enough warning for forum member who endorsed in the act of plagiarism.
Yes, the signature ban may help with sig sliging. However, what solution should we implement for thread bumping bots? Don't some of these get busted because the bots use the same content later on to post fake conversations? A signature ban may hurt them a little because they can't earn a side income from sig slinging. However, they are getting paid to spread prepackaged bullshit to ann threads. Oh well, maybe it doesn't matter because the people running thread bumping services are usually crafty enough to modify their bots and create an army of accounts.
I think the sig ban should be an option only for high-rank accounts (Sr. Member and above?) that have something to lose. It's obviously meaningless for Newbies.
Alternatively the penalty could be zeroing-out offender's merits (basically deranking to newbie and taking away the sig), except if the offender has fewer than N (e.g. 100 or 250) merits - in that case permaban. This would take care of repeat offenders without having to track if it's their 1st/2nd/nth offense. Most would be unlikely to ever earn N merits again.
It looks a bit harsh and cruel to permanently ban an account for spamming, plagiarism, or whatever the (similar) reason is. It's like a lifetime prison!
Before starting a topic like this, you should read or re-read the pinned topic first.Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
The rule #33 (last one) is:
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33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e]
And, theymos emphasized that even years after the publishing day of posts, if plagiarism found, users will get permanent ban.I will quote the original post of theymos later, when I saw it again, not found ATM. I don't remember where I read it
Recent weeks, one user raised a request to un-ban for permanent banned users if they improved over time (or something like this, if I remembered well).
Alternatives to Permabans for plagarism (by hilariousetc)
I have to hangout now, sorry.
OP, look like you are caring for user who do not care for the forum. There are so many users who got banned , created another account ( ban evasion) and second account again got banned for the reasons same as first one.
Hilariousandco already have thread about the alternative punishment instead of permanent ban, feel free to contribute there.
Hilariousandco already have thread about the alternative punishment instead of permanent ban, feel free to contribute there.
It's like a lifetime prison! Even if the thief is caught stealing, it doesn't give him a lifetime imprisonment, instead he's freed after 2, 3 or 5 years.
This is not a very good comparison. Don't think of it as a prison sentence, think of it as getting fired from a job. If you get caught stealing from your employer or violating their conflict of interest rules you will get fired from that job, and it's very unlikely that you'll be hired back by that company.
Anyone who is caught plagiarizing on this forum is welcome to seek out membership at a number of other cryptocurrency related forums, and if they're smart they won't make the same mistake there.
I personally have a little tolerance for plagiarism. It's theft, plain and simple.
Seems like a lot of Chips men didn't like my example, oh well, I thought that I was doing just hilariously fine. A little bit of funny stuff and sarcasm within a post shouldn't have hurt much. 
I just read the last somewhat similar thread related to the topic we're currently discussing, and it seems like there was a poll that time asking if the permanent ban should be removed. Funny, only like 26% people voted that it should remain as is, and about 74% voted that it should be changed.
I just read the last somewhat similar thread related to the topic we're currently discussing, and it seems like there was a poll that time asking if the permanent ban should be removed. Funny, only like 26% people voted that it should remain as is, and about 74% voted that it should be changed.
This? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/alternatives-to-permabans-for-plagarism-5087992
Temporary ban - which is what you're proposing here - wasn't even suggested there. Signature ban would be an interesting option and I would support it, although I think it's a bit of a waste of effort considering that 99%+ of plagiarizers would likely stop posting or would re-offend and get banned for real.
But until and unless we get the sig ban option, permaban it is.
Yes, the signature ban may help with sig sliging. However, what solution should we implement for thread bumping bots? Don't some of these get busted because the bots use the same content later on to post fake conversations? A signature ban may hurt them a little because they can't earn a side income from sig slinging. However, they are getting paid to spread prepackaged bullshit to ann threads. Oh well, maybe it doesn't matter because the people running thread bumping services are usually crafty enough to modify their bots and create an army of accounts.
Seems like a lot of Chips men didn't like my example, oh well, I thought that I was doing just hilariously fine. A little bit of funny stuff and sarcasm within a post shouldn't have hurt much.
I just read the last somewhat similar thread related to the topic we're currently discussing, and it seems like there was a poll that time asking if the permanent ban should be removed. Funny, only like 26% people voted that it should remain as is, and about 74% voted that it should be changed.
I just read the last somewhat similar thread related to the topic we're currently discussing, and it seems like there was a poll that time asking if the permanent ban should be removed. Funny, only like 26% people voted that it should remain as is, and about 74% voted that it should be changed.
This? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/alternatives-to-permabans-for-plagarism-5087992
Temporary ban - which is what you're proposing here - wasn't even suggested there. Signature ban would be an interesting option and I would support it, although I think it's a bit of a waste of effort considering that 99%+ of plagiarizers would likely stop posting or would re-offend and get banned for real.
But until and unless we get the sig ban option, permaban it is.
Seems like a lot of Chips men didn't like my example, oh well, I thought that I was doing just hilariously fine. A little bit of funny stuff and sarcasm within a post shouldn't have hurt much.
I just read the last somewhat similar thread related to the topic we're currently discussing, and it seems like there was a poll that time asking if the permanent ban should be removed. Funny, only like 26% people voted that it should remain as is, and about 74% voted that it should be changed.
I just read the last somewhat similar thread related to the topic we're currently discussing, and it seems like there was a poll that time asking if the permanent ban should be removed. Funny, only like 26% people voted that it should remain as is, and about 74% voted that it should be changed.
It's like a lifetime prison! Even if the thief is caught stealing, it doesn't give him a lifetime imprisonment, instead he's freed after 2, 3 or 5 years.
Stop with this stupid comparison.
When you go to prison you are locked up, you can't go to a movie, you can't go on a trip, you can't see your family whenever you want, in some cases, you can't even get laid or you get laid without wanting to.
The only punishment a banned user is getting here is that he can no longer post on this forum.
Unless they were 3 month old babies when they created their account they did manage to get around in life without an account here. And guess what, 7 billion people do the same!!!!
So stop with the drama, it's not like we're sentencing him to the electric chair or even formatting his porn drive.
That particular ban appeal that you linked to was so full of heartfelt emotion and a cry for mercy....and you fell for it.
Yup, I guess so.Probably in less than one week, he will be back on the forum selling his cards and coupons, nobody leaves this forum for real.
It looks a bit harsh and cruel to permanently ban an account for spamming, plagiarism, or whatever the (similar) reason is. It's like a lifetime prison! Even if the thief is caught stealing, it doesn't give him a lifetime imprisonment, instead he's freed after 2, 3 or 5 years. Why can't we apply the same rule here? Most stupid people won't understand anything without a ban (no matter how many warnings they are given). However, going for a lifetime ban for this still looks very harsh.
We have a disproportionately high number of thieves here, though. And it's likely that many of them would re-offend shortly after being allowed back. Some might argue, with the punishment as harsh as it is, they should really pay more attention to the rules and not do it to begin with. Plus, the fact that many of them are now resorting to word-substitutes means they absolutely know what they are doing is wrong. They're taking deliberate actions to avoid getting caught. Then they claim they didn't know about the rule. Don't fall for it. Enough people have been made an example of, but some people are still doing it. The opportunity is there for people to learn from the mistakes of others, but they aren't. That's on them.
Ban is not a prison sentence. The user is free to do whatever they want except to post on ONE site of millions on the internet. This is like being banned from Walmart in Rochester, NH for shitting in the middle of a grocery aisle. Fully deserved and adequate.
Why this case is special?
I'm not talking about that particular case, I'm talking in general here.
That particular ban appeal that you linked to was so full of heartfelt emotion and a cry for mercy....and you fell for it.
Yup, I guess so.
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