The reason that Merit is working....

darmawan_lasuara

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Quote from: athanz88 on February 13, 2018, 02:26:37 AM

Quote from: TMAN on February 12, 2018, 01:22:52 AM

Right this isnt 100% Meta, but as this is where the most bitching is done about the system I am posting here..

ill assume that most people here are aware of user nullius - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nullius-976210

But for those who do not, please take 20 minutes to read his posts. Everything this user posts is a pleasure to read, he is Eloquent with an amazing vocabulary, almost everything he posts has a certain level of humor.. and all this from a newbie? some people refuse to believe he isnt an Alt account, but personally I think the bloke is borderline genius.

Anyway - enough of me loving on him - I just wanted to point out that the merit system does work, and if you are struggling for a reason to spend merit I believe we should help level this bloke up to the Legendary range and I myself will donate 20 Merits a month to this cause, I do hope other sources will be willing to contribute as well

Please use this as a reference for any more bitching and moaning, tell people to step up the game to be more like nullius...

Nullius is a great person, i already read his posts and i am encouraged by the way he posts and gain merits.
Me too at first, struggling to get merits and rather than whining, i got some fresh idea which you trashed at first @TMAN ,but thanks god you finally realize my post and thread and gave me merits.
I already learn about nullius' posts, but since each person has its own style, i guess i cant do his style and i will continue my style to post, and i have some great idea for my next thread, hope i can finish it soon and hope you guys will be there

I agree with you, because indirectly we are required to better understand the problem problem in the world of criptocurrency and in bitcointalk itself. Also about Nullius, we have a lot to learn about it, but it's good if we have our own writing style. Wishing the best for all of us.

Zonero12

jr. member

Activity: 119

Merit: 1

Nullius is a smart person in thinking, it's amazing he can so many merit prizes,
threads and posts so qualified to get rewards.
Can I be like Nullius ..?

Thirio

member

Activity: 350

Merit: 47

Quote from: theStupidFish on February 24, 2018, 10:18:07 AM

So.you guys really wanted 99% of the fishes in this forum would learn how to climb a tree?
There are two types of posters in this forum and I don't waste my time to explain what are those.
The Monkeys and the Fishes. And you know who you are Grin

Your username suits you.

Quote from: tranquynhtien on February 24, 2018, 06:17:56 PM

Agree. Merit system has shown greater impacts on lower-ranked users because they have to stop spamming with one-word, one-line posts or even long plagiarised/ shitty posts in order to catch merit points. They have to improve their posts quality somehow. Overtime, they will form new good habit, which allow them to write high or at least good quality posts naturally.

Ability to naturally write good quality, constructive threads is important, which help to build up the forum.

medium to high rank users are more affected in the current system if the basis would be the initial number of merits one needs in order to rank up, why? Because the huge loads of merits they need to earn. Newbs and jr, can easily get 10 merits, but members need 90 and full members need 150, and so on. The only difference would be newbs and jr nowadays only seeks money in this forum thus, increasing the difficulty of making a helpful post.

The Sceptical Chymist

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Quote from: Aneuk cabang on February 24, 2018, 09:43:20 AM

why i am got less merit

Though I can barely make out what you're trying to say, I think you're wondering why it is you haven't earned any merit. The answer, to me, is as plain as day. You are trying to write posts in a language that you don't know, and the only reason you're doing it is to get paid. Because you don't have a good grasp of English, everything you write here is going to sound simple-brained and uninteresting.

Look at this post:

Quote from: ?? on ??

I really agree with your topic that is so good and I have done it to my friend and finally my friend has earned income through this forum.

This is a generic, 3rd world shitpost written by someone who is only incentivized to post in English because he's paid to spam. The post is sloppy and in broken English and not worth reading (or writing). You and your ilk need to stop doing shit like this--that's what the merit system is for. The idiots just haven't caught on that they won't be advancing in rank yet.

Taki

hero member

Activity: 1078

Merit: 514

Is he your friend or he pays you for the promotion? Grin

cause of it really looks like some commercial - "send merit to this guy!" Maybe it's just my envy, cause of my style of posting is not even close, I admit. Hope one day I will break my laziness and come a bit closer to his level Cheesy

sri11

member

Activity: 238

Merit: 10

nullius is a remarkable phenomenon
with member ratings already get 495 merit. I want to be like him by studying posts that instantly get merit from friends

tranquynhtien

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Activity: 102

Merit: 12

Quote from: DooMAD on February 24, 2018, 10:47:18 AM

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Instead, I'd make the opposite argument, which is that those who were previously making terrible posts are at least making an effort to improve and enhance their knowledge and understanding because of merit. If they don't, merit prevents them from ranking up. And those who have no intention of improving are understandably upset. That's the reason merit is working.

Agree. Merit system has shown greater impacts on lower-ranked users because they have to stop spamming with one-word, one-line posts or even long plagiarised/ shitty posts in order to catch merit points. They have to improve their posts quality somehow. Overtime, they will form new good habit, which allow them to write high or at least good quality posts naturally.

Ability to naturally write good quality, constructive threads is important, which help to build up the forum.

rajatjain

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Quote from: DooMAD on February 24, 2018, 10:47:18 AM

While I support the general sentiment of the thread, I don't believe there's a direct correlation between the two. I'm certain that Nullius would be making exemplary posts whether or not merit was a thing. By all means, use Nullius as an example to aspire to, but it's not correct to say that those posts are evidence that merit is working. I suspect all the people who were making quality posts before merit was implemented will continue to do so. Instead, I'd make the opposite argument, which is that those who were previously making terrible posts are at least making an effort to improve and enhance their knowledge and understanding because of merit. If they don't, merit prevents them from ranking up. And those who have no intention of improving are understandably upset. That's the reason merit is working.

Yeah in a perfect world maybe! We have already started seeing people selling merits on bitcointalk. Bitcointalk still can be controlled and flagged but what about such deals happening on facebook, reddit and other platforms? We also have started seeing a lot of plagiarism since it doesn't take a genius to figure if they can't present opinions, it is better to steal opinions from facebook and reddit where some more seasoned players present their views!
Despite all this, i feel merit did made some change in the average mentality of the people to contribute in a more positive and engaging manner! Rest i feel only the time will tell!

DooMAD

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While I support the general sentiment of the thread, I don't believe there's a direct correlation between the two. I'm certain that Nullius would be making exemplary posts whether or not merit was a thing. By all means, use Nullius as an example to aspire to, but it's not correct to say that those posts are evidence that merit is working. I suspect all the people who were making quality posts before merit was implemented will continue to do so. Instead, I'd make the opposite argument, which is that those who were previously making terrible posts are at least making an effort to improve and enhance their knowledge and understanding because of merit. If they don't, merit prevents them from ranking up. And those who have no intention of improving are understandably upset. That's the reason merit is working.

theStupidFish

newbie

Activity: 3

Merit: 0

So.you guys really wanted 99% of the fishes in this forum would learn how to climb a tree?
There are two types of posters in this forum and I don't waste my time to explain what are those.
The Monkeys and the Fishes. And you know who you are Grin

Aneuk cabang

member

Activity: 242

Merit: 12

Quote from: TMAN on February 12, 2018, 01:22:52 AM

Right this isnt 100% Meta, but as this is where the most bitching is done about the system I am posting here..

ill assume that most people here are aware of user nullius - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nullius-976210

But for those who do not, please take 20 minutes to read his posts. Everything this user posts is a pleasure to read, he is Eloquent with an amazing vocabulary, almost everything he posts has a certain level of humor.. and all this from a newbie? some people refuse to believe he isnt an Alt account, but personally I think the bloke is borderline genius.

Anyway - enough of me loving on him - I just wanted to point out that the merit system does work, and if you are struggling for a reason to spend merit I believe we should help level this bloke up to the Legendary range and I myself will donate 20 Merits a month to this cause, I do hope other sources will be willing to contribute as well

Please use this as a reference for any more bitching and moaning, tell people to step up the game to be more like nullius...

yeah, i just read about the person, his post and feedback. i guess what he said was true, throw away the negative feedback. i just realized it, why i am got less merit, maybe because some of my post or comment contain the negative feedback. i will try to get some trust again from the forum, with that maybe i will get some merit.

malikusama

copper member

Activity: 1050

Merit: 294

Quote from: drngocct on February 23, 2018, 09:36:53 AM

Quote from: malikusama on February 23, 2018, 04:50:24 AM

Quote from: digaran on February 23, 2018, 12:24:12 AM

Vod raised a valid question, it may cause huge conflict if members would get ban because of their post rating.
Merit system is working perfectly, you need to wait more to clearly see the outcomes.

Secondly nobody can impose their own rules on others, I think Forum staff and moderators knows better what to implement.

This system has performed very well about more than one month after launched by Theymos. There are several new users ranked up with many merits receceived like nullius (who might be specific example of merit system in objective to motivate users contribute more to the forum).

WTH are you doing man? you have changed my post while quoting it in your post.
Needs to modify, always be careful while quoting others in your post.

drngocct

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Activity: 168

Merit: 0

Quote from: malikusama on February 23, 2018, 04:50:24 AM

Quote from: digaran on February 23, 2018, 12:24:12 AM

Vod raised a valid question, it may cause huge conflict if members would get ban because of their post rating.
Merit system is working perfectly, you need to wait more to clearly see the outcomes.

Secondly nobody can impose their own rules on others, I think Forum staff and moderators knows better what to implement.

This system has performed very well about more than one month after launched by Theymos. There are several new users ranked up with many merits receceived like nullius (who might be specific example of merit system in objective to motivate users contribute more to the forum).

malikusama

copper member

Activity: 1050

Merit: 294

Quote from: digaran on February 23, 2018, 12:24:12 AM

Quote from: Vod on February 22, 2018, 10:54:36 PM

Quote from: digaran on February 22, 2018, 10:50:21 PM

if you want merit to work, ban shitposters, 10 consecutive garbage posts should result to a ban of account for a month. refer to the last received merits of mine, ranked up or not, they are still here.

Who decides what is a garbage post? Centralized (multiple account abuse) or decentralized (overwork and possibly biased)?

Who decides a post is merit worthy? we are just meriting high quality posts, if you could earn money posting garbage, you don't need any merits.
We have the rules, people are violating the rules, we are meriting those who are not violating the rules.

I have a few rules regarding my source merit giveaway, one of them: you must have 50 more posts than your activity to receive 3 merits after providing me with the information I have asked for. who decides to give them 3 merits other than me?

Vod raised a valid question, it may cause huge conflict if members would get ban because of their post rating.
Merit system is working perfectly, you need to wait more to clearly see the outcomes.

Secondly nobody can impose their own rules on others, I think Forum staff and moderators knows better what to implement.

digaran

copper member

Activity: 1330

Merit: 899

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Quote from: Vod on February 22, 2018, 10:54:36 PM

Quote from: digaran on February 22, 2018, 10:50:21 PM

if you want merit to work, ban shitposters, 10 consecutive garbage posts should result to a ban of account for a month. refer to the last received merits of mine, ranked up or not, they are still here.

Who decides what is a garbage post? Centralized (multiple account abuse) or decentralized (overwork and possibly biased)?

Who decides a post is merit worthy? we are just meriting high quality posts, if you could earn money posting garbage, you don't need any merits.
We have the rules, people are violating the rules, we are meriting those who are not violating the rules.

I have a few rules regarding my source merit giveaway, one of them: you must have 50 more posts than your activity to receive 3 merits after providing me with the information I have asked for. who decides to give them 3 merits other than me?

Vod

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Quote from: digaran on February 22, 2018, 10:50:21 PM

if you want merit to work, ban shitposters, 10 consecutive garbage posts should result to a ban of account for a month. refer to the last received merits of mine, ranked up or not, they are still here.

Who decides what is a garbage post? Centralized (multiple account abuse) or decentralized (overwork and possibly biased)?

digaran

copper member

Activity: 1330

Merit: 899

🖤😏

It is not working, nothing would work other than taking money from anybody with a signature, if you want merit to work, ban shitposters, 10 consecutive garbage posts should result to a ban of account for a month. refer to the last received merits of mine, ranked up or not, they are still here.

I registered on bountyhive.io thinking that I would join a new forum, their bounties link to their Bitcointalk thread, you wont post your application here, but you are going to put a signature and post here.

bobq

sr. member

Activity: 1148

Merit: 307

Quote from: Mind Control on February 16, 2018, 01:51:39 PM

Quote from: minifrij on February 12, 2018, 06:22:56 AM

Quote from: bobq on February 12, 2018, 05:13:22 AM

ie that the merit system can work only for a few exceptional members and not for the thousands of average ones.

...Why should users be rewarded for being average?

Being average nor exceptional is not the basis of giving merits. Just adding valuable insights about a discussion is enough regardless if the knowledge is new or not. If we are to hunt DannyHamilton like posts then we might end up hoarding sMerit than giving them to the average ones.

The point is, should we reward average? Yes, why not. As long as he/she/it contributes something. That's enough basis for me.

"Average" is a dangerous two-faced concept, because also the mass-shitposters are definining an average - which we could call a "lower average". They are too many not to form a sort of average. Then you would obviously have a higher average, and finally all the cases which you clearly perceive as average but you can't assign to either the high or the low average, are probably the most boring average, the middle one. I believe that even though to different degrees and in different quantities Merits should be available to get for both the middle-average and the higher-average. If we would reward with Merit only the exceptional quality we could abolish the whole ranking system at once and substitute it with three ranks only: Shitposter, Average and Nullius.

Mind Control

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Quote from: minifrij on February 12, 2018, 06:22:56 AM

Quote from: bobq on February 12, 2018, 05:13:22 AM

ie that the merit system can work only for a few exceptional members and not for the thousands of average ones.

...Why should users be rewarded for being average?

Being average nor exceptional is not the basis of giving merits. Just adding valuable insights about a discussion is enough regardless if the knowledge is new or not. If we are to hunt DannyHamilton like posts then we might end up hoarding sMerit than giving them to the average ones.

The point is, should we reward average? Yes, why not. As long as he/she/it contributes something. That's enough basis for me.

TMAN

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Quote from: bobq on February 16, 2018, 10:00:46 AM

I totally agree that Nullius can be shown and taken as an example to follow, even though 99% of the people have neither his culture nor his intelligence nor his perfect knowledge of the English language to be actually able to properly or even remotely follow his example. However, he can be still shown as an "idealistic model" to get inspiration from, like people would get inspired by Nietzsche or Ambrose Bierce without of course being able to write Jenseits von Gut und Böse or The Parenticide Club themselves.
But what I wanted to really say is that you can't take him as an example for proving that the merit system is working, since he is a quite unique case. I believe the merit system would work fine if only there would be many more sMerits in circulations. Now it's more or less just a "liquidity problem."

No.. He is an astonishingly good poster and gets 50x the merits of others. now over the next 12 months, the shitposters will fuck off. There will be less members joining every day and the merits will not need to be spread among so many people.. personally I think its a great system

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