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Quote from: Sterbens on November 11, 2021, 02:45:16 PM

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Quote from: michellee on November 11, 2021, 03:31:22 AM

It is hard to organize our time in gambling if we play gambling too often as that can make us forget to stop gambling. Only by controlling ourselves, we can play moderately and can manage our time and money in gambling.

The Crash game can give us pleasure and excitement playing that game so we really need to have control inside the game to prevent losing more money. Basically, everyone can do control themselves but sometimes their greed possesses them so that makes them follow the greed to chase the winning.

Depends on the player how they manage the situation there are some people control themselves and some people who really want to play gambling no matter what happens to their money. Crash game is one of the most excite games because we know it's all about luck and once you hit it there's a chance to get tons of profit. Some of the people use the bonus spins or head starts to take advantage to get a higher multiplier also they have a good animation so their player gets might entertained.

Actually all have the same concept whether in the Crash game or other games all the possibilities of winning when we can anticipate quickly and carefully. Especially when playing the Crash game we already recognize profits but are interested in risking everything in one tap. It was as if the game was being manipulated the pulse and the rocket stopped at a multiple of 1x. Have you experienced this while playing the Crash game.

I experience to buy with the bonus head start and it did do well which is favor for me but again this is gambling and its all about the luck after winning a good streak i become greed and make another one that causes to cut my profit into half and also I try crash game mostly in the demo today just to satisfy my self even though its just a not profitable in my side as long as I enjoy, sometimes demo makes a good thing to have an insight to the player what is the possible outcome.

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Quote from: coin-investor on November 11, 2021, 06:33:49 PM

Quote from: pawanjain on November 11, 2021, 11:47:04 AM

Seeing our bet going 2x and 3x in a matter of few seconds does look amazing and that's what get us in trouble.
Luck is definitely needed if you are thinking to get some decent profits in crash game.
The most important thing is not to play the crash game continuously because that will just end up in losses.
Instead we can play at regular intervals but less number of games at a time.

These are just what one experiences when playing a crash game the feeling of regret when we hit stop and see our profit that could have gone ten times and the feeling of should have stopped early when I have 2 or four times profit, Crash game is a game of greed it measures your greed if you can control it and how far do you want to go and if you are comfortable in losing everything.

Those who play crash games are the ones who are greedy otherwise why would you play a crash game. You won't be playing this game to cash out the seed money on every game. You will try to stay longer in the game to earn more money. Sometimes if you are not greedy, you will quit early and not able to make huge gains in this game.

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Quote from: coin-investor on November 11, 2021, 06:33:49 PM

These are just what one experiences when playing a crash game the feeling of regret when we hit stop and see our profit that could have gone ten times and the feeling of should have stopped early when I have 2 or four times profit,

Almost the same experience what happened when I placed a bet in a crash game, maybe everyone involved in crash gambling has experienced the same thing, sometimes it's quite tense between doubt and certainty, it could be the other way around when the stop button is pressed, the rocket's propulsion doesn't stop, for example: the rocket continues to move up to the 10X point.

Only certain gambling sites use crash games, but if most gambling sites use Dual crash games, of course I will choose that game, I'm a little more relaxed, not tense like Crash.

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Quote from: pawanjain on November 11, 2021, 11:47:04 AM

Seeing our bet going 2x and 3x in a matter of few seconds does look amazing and that's what get us in trouble.
Luck is definitely needed if you are thinking to get some decent profits in crash game.
The most important thing is not to play the crash game continuously because that will just end up in losses.
Instead we can play at regular intervals but less number of games at a time.

These are just what one experiences when playing a crash game the feeling of regret when we hit stop and see our profit that could have gone ten times and the feeling of should have stopped early when I have 2 or four times profit, Crash game is a game of greed it measures your greed if you can control it and how far do you want to go and if you are comfortable in losing everything.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on November 11, 2021, 07:22:10 AM

Quote from: michellee on November 11, 2021, 03:31:22 AM

It is hard to organize our time in gambling if we play gambling too often as that can make us forget to stop gambling. Only by controlling ourselves, we can play moderately and can manage our time and money in gambling.

The Crash game can give us pleasure and excitement playing that game so we really need to have control inside the game to prevent losing more money. Basically, everyone can do control themselves but sometimes their greed possesses them so that makes them follow the greed to chase the winning.

Depends on the player how they manage the situation there are some people control themselves and some people who really want to play gambling no matter what happens to their money. Crash game is one of the most excite games because we know it's all about luck and once you hit it there's a chance to get tons of profit. Some of the people use the bonus spins or head starts to take advantage to get a higher multiplier also they have a good animation so their player gets might entertained.

Actually all have the same concept whether in the Crash game or other games all the possibilities of winning when we can anticipate quickly and carefully. Especially when playing the Crash game we already recognize profits but are interested in risking everything in one tap. It was as if the game was being manipulated the pulse and the rocket stopped at a multiple of 1x. Have you experienced this while playing the Crash game.

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Quote from: goaldigger on November 04, 2021, 04:51:00 PM

This sounds interesting but confusing at the same time.
Crash game is just like a slots game with a little twist since you can control when to take profit, and the house always win on this kind of game since its based on their system and they already worked to that numbers so someone will really lose the money, this is gambling after all.

I'm playing the Crash game and it's one of the exciting and less boring games I always check if there are crash games on casinos I'm playing but compared to the other luck-based game you have control over when you want to stop and to pass, I never think of probability unless I have a big wage and decided that I will try to beat the house edge, but in the long run after all the computation the house will still win, unless someone uses that formula and claim that he wins big using that formula.

I also find the crash games very interesting but also i have lost a lot of money in these crashes. Still i am addicted to it and can't resist myself for not playing them.
Although most games are burst at low values but there are some which may give you 300 - 500% profit.

I also got addicted to it especially when I was aiming to double my money through this game because we can't deny the fact that it's too entertaining but I learned to put limitations when I had continuous losses. Yes, 300-500% profit is possible but only lucky players could gain that much.

Seeing our bet going 2x and 3x in a matter of few seconds does look amazing and that's what get us in trouble.
Luck is definitely needed if you are thinking to get some decent profits in crash game.
The most important thing is not to play the crash game continuously because that will just end up in losses.
Instead we can play at regular intervals but less number of games at a time.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on November 11, 2021, 07:22:10 AM

Quote from: michellee on November 11, 2021, 03:31:22 AM

Quote from: Sterbens on November 10, 2021, 01:16:25 PM

Indeed, for some of us, we certainly think that any gambling is indeed sufficient as an alternative to entertainment and is not recommended as excessive opiate advice. Controlling gambling is the main key so that every time we lose we can organize calmly, breed in winning conditions even though of course we just need to take profits early and come back at a time that requires gambling again. Well, that can't be done by everyone, if it's basically just to make a profit, in the Crash game we certainly have to be more nimble and do Out Cash as quickly as possible, even with only 1 or 2 fraud.

It is hard to organize our time in gambling if we play gambling too often as that can make us forget to stop gambling. Only by controlling ourselves, we can play moderately and can manage our time and money in gambling.

The Crash game can give us pleasure and excitement playing that game so we really need to have control inside the game to prevent losing more money. Basically, everyone can do control themselves but sometimes their greed possesses them so that makes them follow the greed to chase the winning.

Depends on the player how they manage the situation there are some people control themselves and some people who really want to play gambling no matter what happens to their money. Crash game is one of the most excite games because we know it's all about luck and once you hit it there's a chance to get tons of profit. Some of the people use the bonus spins or head starts to take advantage to get a higher multiplier also they have a good animation so their player gets might entertained.

Yes, I agree that depends on the player because every decision will need responsibility by them. No matter what the gambling games they play, if they can control themselves, there is nothing to worry about. The crash game needs more control in greediness as we can see the chance to lose the money shortly. If you feel you are good at controlling yourself, you will find excitement in playing the crash game and making money from that game. But always be careful placing the money because will impact your funds.

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Quote from: virasog on November 07, 2021, 12:47:59 PM

Quote from: robelneo on November 07, 2021, 08:41:44 AM

Quote from: goaldigger on November 04, 2021, 04:51:00 PM

This sounds interesting but confusing at the same time.
Crash game is just like a slots game with a little twist since you can control when to take profit, and the house always win on this kind of game since its based on their system and they already worked to that numbers so someone will really lose the money, this is gambling after all.

I'm playing the Crash game and it's one of the exciting and less boring games I always check if there are crash games on casinos I'm playing but compared to the other luck-based game you have control over when you want to stop and to pass, I never think of probability unless I have a big wage and decided that I will try to beat the house edge, but in the long run after all the computation the house will still win, unless someone uses that formula and claim that he wins big using that formula.

I also find the crash games very interesting but also i have lost a lot of money in these crashes. Still i am addicted to it and can't resist myself for not playing them.
Although most games are burst at low values but there are some which may give you 300 - 500% profit.

I also got addicted to it especially when I was aiming to double my money through this game because we can't deny the fact that it's too entertaining but I learned to put limitations when I had continuous losses. Yes, 300-500% profit is possible but only lucky players could gain that much.

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Quote from: michellee on November 11, 2021, 03:31:22 AM

Quote from: Sterbens on November 10, 2021, 01:16:25 PM

Indeed, for some of us, we certainly think that any gambling is indeed sufficient as an alternative to entertainment and is not recommended as excessive opiate advice. Controlling gambling is the main key so that every time we lose we can organize calmly, breed in winning conditions even though of course we just need to take profits early and come back at a time that requires gambling again. Well, that can't be done by everyone, if it's basically just to make a profit, in the Crash game we certainly have to be more nimble and do Out Cash as quickly as possible, even with only 1 or 2 fraud.

It is hard to organize our time in gambling if we play gambling too often as that can make us forget to stop gambling. Only by controlling ourselves, we can play moderately and can manage our time and money in gambling.

The Crash game can give us pleasure and excitement playing that game so we really need to have control inside the game to prevent losing more money. Basically, everyone can do control themselves but sometimes their greed possesses them so that makes them follow the greed to chase the winning.

Depends on the player how they manage the situation there are some people control themselves and some people who really want to play gambling no matter what happens to their money. Crash game is one of the most excite games because we know it's all about luck and once you hit it there's a chance to get tons of profit. Some of the people use the bonus spins or head starts to take advantage to get a higher multiplier also they have a good animation so their player gets might entertained.

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Quote from: Sterbens on November 10, 2021, 01:16:25 PM

Indeed, for some of us, we certainly think that any gambling is indeed sufficient as an alternative to entertainment and is not recommended as excessive opiate advice. Controlling gambling is the main key so that every time we lose we can organize calmly, breed in winning conditions even though of course we just need to take profits early and come back at a time that requires gambling again. Well, that can't be done by everyone, if it's basically just to make a profit, in the Crash game we certainly have to be more nimble and do Out Cash as quickly as possible, even with only 1 or 2 fraud.

It is hard to organize our time in gambling if we play gambling too often as that can make us forget to stop gambling. Only by controlling ourselves, we can play moderately and can manage our time and money in gambling.

The Crash game can give us pleasure and excitement playing that game so we really need to have control inside the game to prevent losing more money. Basically, everyone can do control themselves but sometimes their greed possesses them so that makes them follow the greed to chase the winning.

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Quote from: paxmao on November 09, 2021, 05:54:23 PM

I think that your estimate is much too conservative. A 2% gain for the house would normally not only not cover the operating costs but leaves it open for pure default in case any risk materialises. Companies usually have a 50% gross margin on sales (it may be very variable) which tends to result in 10 to 20% of gross marging. I think that a 2% of the deposits would not even cover half of that.. I would be thinking of 15 to 20% of deposit.

Look: a player comes to the casino and has $ 100, the house edge is only 1%. The player plays different games by placing bets of different sizes. On average, he will be able to make bets no more than 10k dollars on average, and at this indicator all his money will already be at the casino. That is, in fact, he will lose 100% of his deposit. The house edge and the "percentage of the player's deposit income" are two different things.

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Quote from: Mahanton on November 09, 2021, 07:45:30 PM

Quote from: aioc on November 09, 2021, 07:32:14 PM

If you're not putting weight on winning money and just want to have fun and excitement this is a go-to game, I don't know if the formula presented by OP is 100% correct but when you have a house edge that comes up to play I don't think any formula can beat the house edge, I did not even check the formula, it's just like a martingale method where you are giving a false of winning just because you are doubling your bet for every loss, that's not going to work 100%.

A mindset that people should really have and stop having that delusion that they could beat up the house with just some mere formulas or something that do really exist
which nothing on this world could really take out advantage on something or having some exploit because if it does exist on the first place then it would be most likely
been blocked and patched but we know on how reality works and thats why its important that we should play for fun and not minding or forcing yourself to be profitable.

Indeed, for some of us, we certainly think that any gambling is indeed sufficient as an alternative to entertainment and is not recommended as excessive opiate advice. Controlling gambling is the main key so that every time we lose we can organize calmly, breed in winning conditions even though of course we just need to take profits early and come back at a time that requires gambling again. Well, that can't be done by everyone, if it's basically just to make a profit, in the Crash game we certainly have to be more nimble and do Out Cash as quickly as possible, even with only 1 or 2 fraud.

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Quote from: paxmao on November 09, 2021, 05:54:23 PM

I think that your estimate is much too conservative. A 2% gain for the house would normally not only not cover the operating costs but leaves it open for pure default in case any risk materialises. Companies usually have a 50% gross margin on sales (it may be very variable) which tends to result in 10 to 20% of gross marging. I think that a 2% of the deposits would not even cover half of that.. I would be thinking of 15 to 20% of deposit.

Casio is not a steel factory. House edge of 50% would be crazy high. Even 10% is way to much. Most dice games has 1-3% and its not like "I think" its 1-3%. I've calculated this for multiple casinos. House edge on roulette (single 0) is 2.70% (simple math - 1/37), house edge on American roulette (0 and 00) is 5.2% (simple math - 2/38). House edge on games like crash (where you cant calculate odds of winning by looking at UI only) are most ofthen higher but even those are lower than 7%. At least on legit casino that i've checked (calculating based on data from provably fair section).

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Quote from: judeafante on November 07, 2021, 08:41:32 PM

Quote from: TimeTeller on November 07, 2021, 07:59:19 PM

Anyway, greed is always here and players always battle that kind of mind set.

Crash game is one of the games where your greed will be tested, one of the interesting luck-based games, and every casino should have this, there are silent supporters and players of crash games and it's a game where you can lose fast and win big, people playing this game should not have a weak heart.

I'm not too sure that this Crash game is really relying on luck or not because this game is too easy to manipulate and we just need to make Cash Out quickly but the rocket is just rising and falling. If we wait, we often lose.
I don't play this game often because it's too easy to lose, plus it's more than 2x.

If you're not putting weight on winning money and just want to have fun and excitement this is a go-to game, I don't know if the formula presented by OP is 100% correct but when you have a house edge that comes up to play I don't think any formula can beat the house edge, I did not even check the formula, it's just like a martingale method where you are giving a false of winning just because you are doubling your bet for every loss, that's not going to work 100%.

A mindset that people should really have and stop having that delusion that they could beat up the house with just some mere formulas or something that do really exist
which nothing on this world could really take out advantage on something or having some exploit because if it does exist on the first place then it would be most likely
been blocked and patched but we know on how reality works and thats why its important that we should play for fun and not minding or forcing yourself to be profitable.

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Quote from: Sterbens on November 09, 2021, 09:10:16 AM

Quote from: judeafante on November 07, 2021, 08:41:32 PM

Quote from: TimeTeller on November 07, 2021, 07:59:19 PM

Anyway, greed is always here and players always battle that kind of mind set.

Crash game is one of the games where your greed will be tested, one of the interesting luck-based games, and every casino should have this, there are silent supporters and players of crash games and it's a game where you can lose fast and win big, people playing this game should not have a weak heart.

I'm not too sure that this Crash game is really relying on luck or not because this game is too easy to manipulate and we just need to make Cash Out quickly but the rocket is just rising and falling. If we wait, we often lose.
I don't play this game often because it's too easy to lose, plus it's more than 2x.

If you're not putting weight on winning money and just want to have fun and excitement this is a go-to game, I don't know if the formula presented by OP is 100% correct but when you have a house edge that comes up to play I don't think any formula can beat the house edge, I did not even check the formula, it's just like a martingale method where you are giving a false of winning just because you are doubling your bet for every loss, that's not going to work 100%.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 07, 2021, 08:56:57 AM

Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on November 07, 2021, 07:41:49 AM

There is no game that is designed in a way to be a place "where you can possibly gain profits". Each game is designed in a way to let you win back what you put in minus house edge (on average) with every bet you make.

at the end of the day casino games arent all about fun and games, this is a profit making business and i will disagree to this statement that it will late you break even in all your runs....if it were designed like this then martingale would have been the best strategy to win on casino games!!

You miss my point. I said "Each game is designed in a way to let you win back what you put in minus house edge (on average) with every bet you make" so if you pyt 100$ into single bet casino is designed in a way to give oyu back your 100$ minus house edge (most often 1-5%) so give back 100$-(1$~5$)= ~98$ on average. So you are down 2$ on each 100$ bet on average. This 2$ is casino profit. I didn't said that casino does not earn on you. Its designed in a way to give you fun, entertaiment and chance to win big but takes small portion of your wallet with every bet you take (on average!)

Quote from: Woodie on November 07, 2021, 08:56:57 AM

crash games are volatile and unpredictable , i have seen on several occasions a string of less than x1.3 get hit and nothing of a x2 which makes this unpredictable, roulette has to be a better choice of games Tongue

Wrong. Crash is predictible. If it was unpredictable how would casino earn on it? It may be umpredictible during single try, but after N tries (where n tends to infinity) you end up with:
current balance = starting balance - (house edge*your bet) * number of bets

I think that your estimate is much too conservative. A 2% gain for the house would normally not only not cover the operating costs but leaves it open for pure default in case any risk materialises. Companies usually have a 50% gross margin on sales (it may be very variable) which tends to result in 10 to 20% of gross marging. I think that a 2% of the deposits would not even cover half of that.. I would be thinking of 15 to 20% of deposit.

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on November 09, 2021, 07:26:28 AM

Quote from: Woodie on November 07, 2021, 08:56:57 AM

Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on November 07, 2021, 07:41:49 AM

There is no game that is designed in a way to be a place "where you can possibly gain profits". Each game is designed in a way to let you win back what you put in minus house edge (on average) with every bet you make.

at the end of the day casino games arent all about fun and games, this is a profit making business and i will disagree to this statement that it will late you break even in all your runs....if it were designed like this then martingale would have been the best strategy to win on casino games!!

You miss my point. I said "Each game is designed in a way to let you win back what you put in minus house edge (on average) with every bet you make" so if you pyt 100$ into single bet casino is designed in a way to give oyu back your 100$ minus house edge (most often 1-5%) so give back 100$-(1$~5$)= ~98$ on average. So you are down 2$ on each 100$ bet on average. This 2$ is casino profit. I didn't said that casino does not earn on you. Its designed in a way to give you fun, entertaiment and chance to win big but takes small portion of your wallet with every bet you take (on average!)

Quote from: Woodie on November 07, 2021, 08:56:57 AM

crash games are volatile and unpredictable , i have seen on several occasions a string of less than x1.3 get hit and nothing of a x2 which makes this unpredictable, roulette has to be a better choice of games Tongue

Wrong. Crash is predictible. If it was unpredictable how would casino earn on it? It may be umpredictible during single try, but after N tries (where n tends to infinity) you end up with:
current balance = starting balance - (house edge*your bet) * number of bets

This is the truth and it is so simple for outsiders to understand when put in such clear terms. Gamblers often have a habit of lying to themselves however, or they think that the casino somehow owes them a mega win. Even if that mega win were to come it is rarely enough to someone with this addiction. The casino is quite happy to let you spread your losses over a longer time period, because you get to see more wins and build up that habit forming behavior that keeps you coming back for more. They would rather you win back money and take a tiny commission each time, rather than one and done where you will not reload your balance.

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Quote from: judeafante on November 07, 2021, 08:41:32 PM

Quote from: TimeTeller on November 07, 2021, 07:59:19 PM

Anyway, greed is always here and players always battle that kind of mind set.

Crash game is one of the games where your greed will be tested, one of the interesting luck-based games, and every casino should have this, there are silent supporters and players of crash games and it's a game where you can lose fast and win big, people playing this game should not have a weak heart.

I'm not too sure that this Crash game is really relying on luck or not because this game is too easy to manipulate and we just need to make Cash Out quickly but the rocket is just rising and falling. If we wait, we often lose.
I don't play this game often because it's too easy to lose, plus it's more than 2x.

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What I want to know is this... In Stake.com every player are issued with a Client Seed and a Server Seed, but a bunch of players are playing with the same outcome. Do they disable the individual client seed and server seed for each person entering and participating in their original Crash game?

It almost looks like these Crash games are scripted, because it seems to anticipate when you are going to increase your bet and that you are trying to recover losses, but I know this is not true... because many people are sharing the same result. ( I tested it with friends)

Crash still kick my a$$............ Angry

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Quote from: Woodie on November 07, 2021, 08:56:57 AM

Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on November 07, 2021, 07:41:49 AM

There is no game that is designed in a way to be a place "where you can possibly gain profits". Each game is designed in a way to let you win back what you put in minus house edge (on average) with every bet you make.

at the end of the day casino games arent all about fun and games, this is a profit making business and i will disagree to this statement that it will late you break even in all your runs....if it were designed like this then martingale would have been the best strategy to win on casino games!!

You miss my point. I said "Each game is designed in a way to let you win back what you put in minus house edge (on average) with every bet you make" so if you pyt 100$ into single bet casino is designed in a way to give oyu back your 100$ minus house edge (most often 1-5%) so give back 100$-(1$~5$)= ~98$ on average. So you are down 2$ on each 100$ bet on average. This 2$ is casino profit. I didn't said that casino does not earn on you. Its designed in a way to give you fun, entertaiment and chance to win big but takes small portion of your wallet with every bet you take (on average!)

Quote from: Woodie on November 07, 2021, 08:56:57 AM

crash games are volatile and unpredictable , i have seen on several occasions a string of less than x1.3 get hit and nothing of a x2 which makes this unpredictable, roulette has to be a better choice of games Tongue

Wrong. Crash is predictible. If it was unpredictable how would casino earn on it? It may be umpredictible during single try, but after N tries (where n tends to infinity) you end up with:
current balance = starting balance - (house edge*your bet) * number of bets

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