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Topic: The reason why Crash Games usually crash at lower values - page 2. (Read 1247 times)

legendary
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CRASH MULTIPLIER = [(E*100 - H)/(E-H)]/100

i got Formula.
but i don't understand  E.
How can i take E value and where is it is?
How can i get E value?

How can i get lowest probability for graph?

E means extreme. It is the upper limit of the range. Casinos usually keep the range between 1 and 252 so E is 252. However, you can take any number as E just make sure E is a very large number and your RNG can precisely calculate and show such number.
newbie
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CRASH MULTIPLIER = [(E*100 - H)/(E-H)]/100

i got Formula.
but i don't understand  E.
How can i take E value and where is it is?
How can i get E value?

How can i get lowest probability for graph?
legendary
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Merit: 1113
There's no need to be upset
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If we are often playing gambling and depositing too many times, I am afraid that can cost us a high fee in the transaction, no matter what coin we use to gamble. Let say we afford to lose $5-$10 in a one-time deposit, but after you lose $5, you deposit again for $5. If you do that many times in a day, your fee will increase, although you can use the money you can afford to lose.

I prefer to have a specific budget for a week or month and have a limit on how much money we will use for gambling in one day and never try to break the limit.

depending on the coin these fees will be so small I wouldn't even count it, but totally get your point and I agree that could be a good idea to batch deposits weekly or even monthly, making it in batches also help to avoid compulsion if you are disciplined enough not to top-up balances in case of a loss.
legendary
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The crash game is one of my favorites because it can run so high but this problem that it has bias to fail before 2x is why the house makes money so well from it I guess.   Im not sure of strat to avoid that except perhaps be most optimistic when a long streak has not happened recently perhaps and hope probability is on your side but mostly I think small bets and landing one of the larger multipliers could pay off prior crash loss perhaps.

The crash game seems good to me but the sites that I play this game on don't share their source code of the game.
However, I've seen some of them share the hash of the round but i cannot find an online tool to verify that.
You could verify on these sites.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bustabit-v2-seeding-event-2807542
https://jsfiddle.net/Dexon95/2fmuxLza/show

Dont know what you mean about sharing source code.lol
hero member
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Nothing lasts forever
We have to keep in mind that when we are playing for fun, we are putting in money that we can afford to lose.
So in this scenario, if we can afford to lose the money then there's no stress in losing which directly means that we can still have the fun while playing.
So it just depends on the amount of money that we give up for the fun.
Some people will try to play longer even if they lose some money because they want to recover their losses. We can afford to lose the money but if we still continue losses in gambling games, that will not be good for us because that can make us lose more money. Nothing we can get if that is the scenario because all of our money is gone without recovering it. So maybe we really need to manage our money and not use too big money just to play gambling.

Yes, money management is the key to fun in gambling. This is why as I said we should only gamble with what we can afford to lose.
In order to not lose more money while gambling frequently the best strategy is to deposit only that amount which you can afford to lose.
So even if you continuously gamble when you lose, you will still be losing only that specific amount and won't be able to gamble anymore.
Having a specific budget for gambling will limit our losses and our ability to gamble frequently.
If we are often playing gambling and depositing too many times, I am afraid that can cost us a high fee in the transaction, no matter what coin we use to gamble. Let say we afford to lose $5-$10 in a one-time deposit, but after you lose $5, you deposit again for $5. If you do that many times in a day, your fee will increase, although you can use the money you can afford to lose.

I prefer to have a specific budget for a week or month and have a limit on how much money we will use for gambling in one day and never try to break the limit.

Ofcourse the fees will take a major chunk of the gambling amount if you deposit multiple times a day.
If you want to play multiple times a say you would rather deposit all in one go.
If you have a budget for gambling that you can afford to lose you would rather use that budget for gambling in frequent intervals and not everyday.
Suppose I have $100 for a month which I can use for gambling then I would rather deposit $25 a week and gamble with it.
I would then wait for the next week and repeat the process. This process will enable us to have a control on our gambling limits as well as keep us within the gambling budget.
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We have to keep in mind that when we are playing for fun, we are putting in money that we can afford to lose.
So in this scenario, if we can afford to lose the money then there's no stress in losing which directly means that we can still have the fun while playing.
So it just depends on the amount of money that we give up for the fun.
Some people will try to play longer even if they lose some money because they want to recover their losses. We can afford to lose the money but if we still continue losses in gambling games, that will not be good for us because that can make us lose more money. Nothing we can get if that is the scenario because all of our money is gone without recovering it. So maybe we really need to manage our money and not use too big money just to play gambling.

Yes, money management is the key to fun in gambling. This is why as I said we should only gamble with what we can afford to lose.
In order to not lose more money while gambling frequently the best strategy is to deposit only that amount which you can afford to lose.
So even if you continuously gamble when you lose, you will still be losing only that specific amount and won't be able to gamble anymore.
Having a specific budget for gambling will limit our losses and our ability to gamble frequently.
If we are often playing gambling and depositing too many times, I am afraid that can cost us a high fee in the transaction, no matter what coin we use to gamble. Let say we afford to lose $5-$10 in a one-time deposit, but after you lose $5, you deposit again for $5. If you do that many times in a day, your fee will increase, although you can use the money you can afford to lose.

I prefer to have a specific budget for a week or month and have a limit on how much money we will use for gambling in one day and never try to break the limit.
sr. member
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The crash game is one of my favorites because it can run so high but this problem that it has bias to fail before 2x is why the house makes money so well from it I guess.   Im not sure of strat to avoid that except perhaps be most optimistic when a long streak has not happened recently perhaps and hope probability is on your side but mostly I think small bets and landing one of the larger multipliers could pay off prior crash loss perhaps.

The crash game seems good to me but the sites that I play this game on don't share their source code of the game.
However, I've seen some of them share the hash of the round but i cannot find an online tool to verify that.
legendary
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The crash game is one of my favorites because it can run so high but this problem that it has bias to fail before 2x is why the house makes money so well from it I guess.   Im not sure of strat to avoid that except perhaps be most optimistic when a long streak has not happened recently perhaps and hope probability is on your side but mostly I think small bets and landing one of the larger multipliers could pay off prior crash loss perhaps.
Even busting on 1.0x is very common and even to those people who do stick out on betting on 1.1x multiplier cant really make out assurance that they could profit out and those algorithms about shows off on how
its been calculated.

We dont know exactly on how results turn out to be like that but as long it would be fair and square then it wouldnt really matter that much and there are lots who do still
keep playing despite of the chances.

We know on how high the multiplier could we able to reach off on which we could recover our losses which is a very common mindset.
STT
legendary
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The crash game is one of my favorites because it can run so high but this problem that it has bias to fail before 2x is why the house makes money so well from it I guess.   Im not sure of strat to avoid that except perhaps be most optimistic when a long streak has not happened recently perhaps and hope probability is on your side but mostly I think small bets and landing one of the larger multipliers could pay off prior crash loss perhaps.
hero member
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Nothing lasts forever
We have to keep in mind that when we are playing for fun, we are putting in money that we can afford to lose.
So in this scenario, if we can afford to lose the money then there's no stress in losing which directly means that we can still have the fun while playing.
So it just depends on the amount of money that we give up for the fun.
Some people will try to play longer even if they lose some money because they want to recover their losses. We can afford to lose the money but if we still continue losses in gambling games, that will not be good for us because that can make us lose more money. Nothing we can get if that is the scenario because all of our money is gone without recovering it. So maybe we really need to manage our money and not use too big money just to play gambling.

Yes, money management is the key to fun in gambling. This is why as I said we should only gamble with what we can afford to lose.
In order to not lose more money while gambling frequently the best strategy is to deposit only that amount which you can afford to lose.
So even if you continuously gamble when you lose, you will still be losing only that specific amount and won't be able to gamble anymore.
Having a specific budget for gambling will limit our losses and our ability to gamble frequently.
hero member
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We have to keep in mind that when we are playing for fun, we are putting in money that we can afford to lose.
So in this scenario, if we can afford to lose the money then there's no stress in losing which directly means that we can still have the fun while playing.
So it just depends on the amount of money that we give up for the fun.
Some people will try to play longer even if they lose some money because they want to recover their losses. We can afford to lose the money but if we still continue losses in gambling games, that will not be good for us because that can make us lose more money. Nothing we can get if that is the scenario because all of our money is gone without recovering it. So maybe we really need to manage our money and not use too big money just to play gambling.
legendary
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First of all, the algorithm for Crash Game is originally developed by RHavar for his well-known site: bustabit.com

Most of the sites having Crash as a game are using one or the other version of his algorithm. Basically, crash game is based on this mathematical formula:

CRASH MULTIPLIER = [(E*100 - H)/(E-H)]/100

E is the extreme value and refers to as limit. While H is a whole number which can be any number but smaller than E. So for example, if E is 10 then H can be any number between 0 and 9. Hence, range for H is 0 to (E-1).
I am not seeing any big differences here from all existing algorithm of all slots or rolling games. For example, almost all algorithms are working like generating random numbers from 0 to 99 and the occurrences up to 90 will get no reward and then 91 to 95 will get the least reward and finally the only one number will get the highest reward which got less than 0.01% chances to occur. Still we celebrate these games because it is based on some predefined and mutually agreed algorithm.

So yesterday a forum member asked me why do Crash Games usually crash at lower multiples (mostly lower than 2x)?
I like to ask them if it crashes usually at higher multiples then how houses will survive? Such questioners are not at all fit to be a gambler at first hand. First they need to learn how gambling industry works and then they should start suspecting their operations.
hero member
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Seeing our bet going 2x and 3x in a matter of few seconds does look amazing and that's what get us in trouble.
Luck is definitely needed if you are thinking to get some decent profits in crash game.
The most important thing is not to play the crash game continuously because that will just end up in losses.
Instead we can play at regular intervals but less number of games at a time.

These are just what one experiences when playing a crash game the feeling of regret when we hit stop and see our profit that could have gone ten times and the feeling of should have stopped early when I have 2 or four times profit, Crash game is a game of greed it measures your greed if you can control it and how far do you want to go and if you are comfortable in losing everything.

Those who play crash games are the ones who are greedy otherwise why would you play a crash game. You won't be playing this game to cash out the seed money on every game. You will try to stay longer in the game to earn more money. Sometimes if you are not greedy, you will quit early and not able to make huge gains in this game.

It's definitely not like that because I have been playing the crash game since a few years.
Although I started playing it to get profits from the crash game but eventually made up losses.
Then I quit playing the game for a few months and then started playing it again but this time for fun.
I realized that playing the game for fun is more stress free and enjoyable while playing for the money.
Well its quiet difficult to play game only for fun because we may think at start that we are playing only for fun but if we start loosing then there is no fun in it. Some one with a very strong mindset can able to do that as it is not easy to control your emotions at that time. Yes some people can do it but for me its quiet difficult to control when i start loosing.

We have to keep in mind that when we are playing for fun, we are putting in money that we can afford to lose.
So in this scenario, if we can afford to lose the money then there's no stress in losing which directly means that we can still have the fun while playing.
So it just depends on the amount of money that we give up for the fun.
hero member
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Very nice explanation, OP. People accuse of things being rigged far more often than reality.

I was just wondering if you could do something similar explaining the effects of bonuses that are associated with crash games (e.g. when you are the last person to cash out successfully you get a % of the pot?).

What are the implications for EV of that?
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Seeing our bet going 2x and 3x in a matter of few seconds does look amazing and that's what get us in trouble.
Luck is definitely needed if you are thinking to get some decent profits in crash game.
The most important thing is not to play the crash game continuously because that will just end up in losses.
Instead we can play at regular intervals but less number of games at a time.

These are just what one experiences when playing a crash game the feeling of regret when we hit stop and see our profit that could have gone ten times and the feeling of should have stopped early when I have 2 or four times profit, Crash game is a game of greed it measures your greed if you can control it and how far do you want to go and if you are comfortable in losing everything.

Those who play crash games are the ones who are greedy otherwise why would you play a crash game. You won't be playing this game to cash out the seed money on every game. You will try to stay longer in the game to earn more money. Sometimes if you are not greedy, you will quit early and not able to make huge gains in this game.

It's definitely not like that because I have been playing the crash game since a few years.
Although I started playing it to get profits from the crash game but eventually made up losses.
Then I quit playing the game for a few months and then started playing it again but this time for fun.
I realized that playing the game for fun is more stress free and enjoyable while playing for the money.
Well its quiet difficult to play game only for fun because we may think at start that we are playing only for fun but if we start loosing then there is no fun in it. Some one with a very strong mindset can able to do that as it is not easy to control your emotions at that time. Yes some people can do it but for me its quiet difficult to control when i start loosing.
hero member
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Seeing our bet going 2x and 3x in a matter of few seconds does look amazing and that's what get us in trouble.
Luck is definitely needed if you are thinking to get some decent profits in crash game.
The most important thing is not to play the crash game continuously because that will just end up in losses.
Instead we can play at regular intervals but less number of games at a time.

These are just what one experiences when playing a crash game the feeling of regret when we hit stop and see our profit that could have gone ten times and the feeling of should have stopped early when I have 2 or four times profit, Crash game is a game of greed it measures your greed if you can control it and how far do you want to go and if you are comfortable in losing everything.

Those who play crash games are the ones who are greedy otherwise why would you play a crash game. You won't be playing this game to cash out the seed money on every game. You will try to stay longer in the game to earn more money. Sometimes if you are not greedy, you will quit early and not able to make huge gains in this game.

It's definitely not like that because I have been playing the crash game since a few years.
Although I started playing it to get profits from the crash game but eventually made up losses.
Then I quit playing the game for a few months and then started playing it again but this time for fun.
I realized that playing the game for fun is more stress free and enjoyable while playing for the money.
legendary
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Seeing our bet going 2x and 3x in a matter of few seconds does look amazing and that's what get us in trouble.
Luck is definitely needed if you are thinking to get some decent profits in crash game.
The most important thing is not to play the crash game continuously because that will just end up in losses.
Instead we can play at regular intervals but less number of games at a time.



These are just what one experiences when playing a crash game the feeling of regret when we hit stop and see our profit that could have gone ten times and the feeling of should have stopped early when I have 2 or four times profit, Crash game is a game of greed it measures your greed if you can control it and how far do you want to go and if you are comfortable in losing everything.

Those who play crash games are the ones who are greedy otherwise why would you play a crash game. You won't be playing this game to cash out the seed money on every game. You will try to stay longer in the game to earn more money. Sometimes if you are not greedy, you will quit early and not able to make huge gains in this game.

No, I don't think this is right. I'm sure many players play a crash game for fun and not just out of greed. Having played crash games myself, I can tell you that from experience. Of course, we all love to win, but I wouldn't call it greed.
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It is hard to organize our time in gambling if we play gambling too often as that can make us forget to stop gambling. Only by controlling ourselves, we can play moderately and can manage our time and money in gambling.

The Crash game can give us pleasure and excitement playing that game so we really need to have control inside the game to prevent losing more money. Basically, everyone can do control themselves but sometimes their greed possesses them so that makes them follow the greed to chase the winning.

Depends on the player how they manage the situation there are some people control themselves and some people who really want to play gambling no matter what happens to their money. Crash game is one of the most excite games because we know it's all about luck and once you hit it there's a chance to get tons of profit. Some of the people use the bonus spins or head starts to take advantage to get a higher multiplier also they have a good animation so their player gets might entertained.

Actually all have the same concept whether in the Crash game or other games all the possibilities of winning when we can anticipate quickly and carefully. Especially when playing the Crash game we already recognize profits but are interested in risking everything in one tap. It was as if the game was being manipulated the pulse and the rocket stopped at a multiple of 1x. Have you experienced this while playing the Crash game.

I experience to buy with the bonus head start and it did do well which is favor for me but again this is gambling and its all about the luck after winning a good streak i become greed and make another one that causes to cut my profit into half and also I try crash game mostly in the demo today just to satisfy my self even though its just a not profitable in my side as long as I enjoy, sometimes demo makes a good thing to have an insight to the player what is the possible outcome.
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Seeing our bet going 2x and 3x in a matter of few seconds does look amazing and that's what get us in trouble.
Luck is definitely needed if you are thinking to get some decent profits in crash game.
The most important thing is not to play the crash game continuously because that will just end up in losses.
Instead we can play at regular intervals but less number of games at a time.



These are just what one experiences when playing a crash game the feeling of regret when we hit stop and see our profit that could have gone ten times and the feeling of should have stopped early when I have 2 or four times profit, Crash game is a game of greed it measures your greed if you can control it and how far do you want to go and if you are comfortable in losing everything.

Those who play crash games are the ones who are greedy otherwise why would you play a crash game. You won't be playing this game to cash out the seed money on every game. You will try to stay longer in the game to earn more money. Sometimes if you are not greedy, you will quit early and not able to make huge gains in this game.
legendary
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These are just what one experiences when playing a crash game the feeling of regret when we hit stop and see our profit that could have gone ten times and the feeling of should have stopped early when I have 2 or four times profit,
Almost the same experience what happened when I placed a bet in a crash game, maybe everyone involved in crash gambling has experienced the same thing, sometimes it's quite tense between doubt and certainty, it could be the other way around when the stop button is pressed, the rocket's propulsion doesn't stop, for example: the rocket continues to move up to the 10X point.

Only certain gambling sites use crash games, but if most gambling sites use Dual crash games, of course I will choose that game, I'm a little more relaxed, not tense like Crash.
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