The Reasons for Most Problems on Earth. Bitcoin the Solution?

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*Again, this is Mike Maloney for those who don't know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

thanks a lot for the link, it beautifully describes the core problem.

You're welcome. He does an amazing job of explaining economic issues in layman's terms.

Andreas Antonopoulos and Stefan Molyneux are my fav speakers for Bitcoin and Mike Maloney and Ron Paul are my fav speakers for fiat economy explanations.

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Quote from: colinistheman on April 12, 2014, 07:02:57 AM

*Again, this is Mike Maloney for those who don't know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

thanks a lot for the link, it beautifully describes the core problem.
and pening, are you educated now enough? it's not possible that you still can't get what we're talking about here, is that a conspiracy? well i think yes.

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Quote from: btcxyzzz on April 12, 2014, 03:22:41 AM

Partly, we common people are guilty too because many are living ignorant lives, refusing to see the truth, it's that blind consumerism you're talking about.

That is partly why I started this thread-- to share my ideas to those willing to consider them. It gives people a chance to enlighten themselves if they are open and looking for answers.

The only solution for ignorance is education. If the entire population knew the truth of how things really are, then they would stand up for themselves. But if people don't know, then of course they won't do anything about it.

People like Ron Paul, Mike Maloney*, Satoshi Nakamoto, Thrive**, are heroes because they are educating the masses on the truth and getting rid of ignorance as much as they are able to.

Those individuals are contributing to an educated population and in that way they are fighting against oppression in the most powerful way possible.

Ideas and knowledge are powerful-- if they are known, and known by enough people.

*Again, this is Mike Maloney for those who don't know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0
**This is a documentary name, not an individual's name.

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You'll tell I'm crazy, but I even do believe in Lizards (which are actually human-alien hybrids), and even time-travel and parallel dimensions.

I think it shows that your mind is not closed off to new ideas, which is a good thing. I agree with you. I think anything is possible and it doesn't do me any good to be close-minded to possibilities.

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Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Vij4LsVO4 ... That's one hell of an insane interview by member of Rotschild family, but it somehow made me believe she speaks truth.

I will watch that, thanks.

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http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/chaos-complexity/dialogue.pdf

read this paper as an computer/internet protocol and then u will begin to see what nash's bitcoin has done with einsteins chosen prodigies' thesis (bohm). can someone who understands contact me please this is about next level communication based on cooperative hyper efficient flow. i can just now seem to read it and op is starting to understand the genius of john "satoshi nakamoto" nash

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Quote from: pening on April 12, 2014, 03:07:09 AM

You mention "hyper-production" and that is indeed a substantial problem, over-consumption is rife in the western world, but that is a separate subject. There is probably a global collusion (or conspiracy if you'd prefer) on that matter, but its hardly covert and hidden, its well in the open with every major company constantly in our face telling us to buy their stuff and replace what we brought last year. It would be far more useful and better received if people concerned with this made a direct case against excessive consumerism, than trying to tie it into all sort of other nonsense about bankers/Monsanto/NSA/IRS/climate manipulation all being part of the same dastardly scheme from the NWO/Lizard people. The wider the net is cast the more it sounds ridiculous and more every day people will ignore the subject. focus is required on important subjects.

I'm not saying it's completely coordinated effort from the top of the pyramid. It's like conglomerate of common interests to keep this order (we're already in New World Order more or less), and you said it yourself who are they. Things are on such a large scale that is hardly believable. I personally refused to believe in chemtrails story until recently because I saw some really persuading documentaries. Conspiracy so big, on so high level, yet not too coordinated makes people confused about it all, bottom line is: there is strong interest of elite to keep things as they are, and they are actively doing it. Partly, we common people are guilty too because many are living ignorant lives, refusing to see the truth, it's that blind consumerism you're talking about.

You'll tell I'm crazy, but I even do believe in Lizards (which are actually human-alien hybrids), and even time-travel and parallel dimensions.

Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Vij4LsVO4 ... That's one hell of an insane interview by member of Rotschild family, but it somehow made me believe she speaks truth.

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shit, they've controlled all aspect in this world
how about world bank and IMF? this two fucking moronic institutions always make crisis in third world country with their "financial help"
it's all back to rothschild i think, and his international banking cartel

Quote from: colinistheman on April 11, 2014, 03:07:45 PM

My wife found that information about Dropbox actually. I'm not sure what links she was reading, but I found these just now:

http://www.drop-dropbox.com/
http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/10/condi-rice-joins-dropbox-board-of-direct

nice sharing, i leave dropbox now
i hate condy rice Angry

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Quote from: btcxyzzz on April 11, 2014, 05:52:04 PM

That's what powerful media made you think about it all. I say again, there's abundance of everything and right now it's technically possible.

No, that's what education and real research and understanding has taught me. There's no common media outlets telling me about the supply chain for energy delivery, i've researched it for myself. I've looked into production and distribution of free energy, doesn't work for free even if you source the energy from the ether.

You mention "hyper-production" and that is indeed a substantial problem, over-consumption is rife in the western world, but that is a separate subject. There is probably a global collusion (or conspiracy if you'd prefer) on that matter, but its hardly covert and hidden, its well in the open with every major company constantly in our face telling us to buy their stuff and replace what we brought last year. It would be far more useful and better received if people concerned with this made a direct case against excessive consumerism, than trying to tie it into all sort of other nonsense about bankers/Monsanto/NSA/IRS/climate manipulation all being part of the same dastardly scheme from the NWO/Lizard people. The wider the net is cast the more it sounds ridiculous and more every day people will ignore the subject. focus is required on important subjects.

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Quote from: colinistheman on April 11, 2014, 03:07:45 PM

My wife found that information about Dropbox actually. I'm not sure what links she was reading, but I found these just now:
http://www.drop-dropbox.com/
http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/10/condi-rice-joins-dropbox-board-of-direct

Thanks, I'm leaving Dropbox ASAP.

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Quote from: pening on April 11, 2014, 02:21:27 PM

Ah, free energy, this is a good one. The problem with free energy discoveries (that aren't just completely bogus) is they don't scale ( i say this one who has implemented Tesla designed devices). The proponents wont accept that so pretend the technology is suppressed. Nevermind that the non-western world hasn't used the technologies. What shouldn't China or India do to ditch carbon based energy?

Maybe not exactly free in the means of producing it, but it certanly can be free for ordinary people. There's actually abundance of energy, goods and food on earth. How do you explain tons and tons of food ditched, mountains of cars and technical goods destroyed in hyper-production world, yet there are still hungry people lacking basic goods. There's no polarity in the world actually, and every country including USA and China are ruled from the same "invisible" center using financial and energy matrix, I explained that already. Yeah maybe I sound like utopist but I deeply believe it's possible. Elite won't expell fossil fuels because they require work, and work is needed to keep the cattle shut up and believe they live in a land of freedom, democracy and opportunities.

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The conspiracy also ignores the significant economic point that there are more vested interests that would benefit from cheaper/free energy than there are interests involved in energy. In fact considering oil, there's more economic value to non-energy use than burning it up. Consider electricity (mostly non-oil generated), the cost of coal is dirt cheap, its the transportation, the building a precision machine, the distribution network etc that cost money, money that needs investment upfront for pay back over generations.

That's what powerful media made you think about it all. I say again, there's abundance of everything and right now it's technically possible.

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Quote from: colinistheman on April 11, 2014, 03:12:59 PM

Quote from: btcxyzzz on April 11, 2014, 01:19:43 PM

...and the problem is not in having governments. problem is how they do their job, and so far history told us they primarily work for the interests of few/elite, while ordinary people are living much worse than they should given the technology advancement and hyperproduction we have today. we're enslaved by money that is printed in uncontolled fashion, and the inflation is killing our standard. and there's energy that is not free but it should be, because it can.

There's nothing wrong with governments. You need somebody to run things to some degree. That's how organization works. But printing money and making decisions without my and your vote (or the majority vote) is not a government that works.

Bitcoin will check governments' (abuse of) power. Not necessarily get rid of them entirely.

try telling that to some of the "anarchists" around here lol

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Quote from: pening on April 11, 2014, 02:21:27 PM

Ah, free energy, this is a good one. The problem with free energy discoveries (that aren't just completely bogus) is they don't scale ( i say this one who has implemented Tesla designed devices). The proponents wont accept that so pretend the technology is suppressed. Nevermind that the non-western world hasn't used the technologies. What shouldn't China or India do to ditch carbon based energy?

The conspiracy also ignores the significant economic point that there are more vested interests that would benefit from cheaper/free energy than there are interests involved in energy. In fact considering oil, there's more economic value to non-energy use than burning it up. Consider electricity (mostly non-oil generated), the cost of coal is dirt cheap, its the transportation, the building a precision machine, the distribution network etc that cost money, money that needs investment upfront for pay back over generations.

The problem is that there are decent alternative energy tech, but people investigating or wanting investment sound too much like the nutters shouting about breaking away from "Big Oil" etc, so people shy away.

But of course the conspiracist will tell you that's part of the suppression...

it is

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Quote from: btcxyzzz on April 11, 2014, 01:19:43 PM

...and the problem is not in having governments. problem is how they do their job, and so far history told us they primarily work for the interests of few/elite, while ordinary people are living much worse than they should given the technology advancement and hyperproduction we have today. we're enslaved by money that is printed in uncontolled fashion, and the inflation is killing our standard. and there's energy that is not free but it should be, because it can.

There's nothing wrong with governments. You need somebody to run things to some degree. That's how organization works. But printing money and making decisions without my and your vote (or the majority vote) is not a government that works.

Bitcoin will check governments' (abuse of) power. Not necessarily get rid of them entirely.

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Quote from: btcxyzzz on April 11, 2014, 01:19:43 PM

...and the problem is not in having governments. problem is how they do their job, and so far history told us they primarily work for the interests of few/elite, while ordinary people are living much worse than they should given the technology advancement and hyperproduction we have today. we're enslaved by money that is printed in uncontolled fashion, and the inflation is killing our standard. and there's energy that is not free but it should be, because it can.

Precisely. And while those in power do not want there to be free power, and while those in power maintain their power by their control of the world's and nation's money supplies, then we will never see the light of free energy because it is in their vested interest to stop it.

I see Bitcoin as a fundamental step in effecting a change for the better, perhaps on a long-term, but nevertheless a change where no effective change has existed yet in overthrowing tyrannical control of such a high nature.

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Quote from: btcxyzzz on April 11, 2014, 01:15:52 PM

Quote from: pening on April 10, 2014, 03:03:06 PM

Love conspiracy theorists, always brighten up the day with their mad cap delusions of everything being connected to everything by design. On the other hand, those ideas pollute more modest ideas that might lead to change, so that people don't want to associate. Why not just accept that shit just happens?

You're wrong bud, OP is predominantly right, it's not theory it's praxis and there are countless documentaries about it, you just have chosen to say blind.... btw I wasn't aware of Dropbox policy... anymore info on that?

Thank you. I agree with you 100%. No one can force a person to look and find out truth for themselves. Everyone must look for themselves to find it. Amazingly it is out there when you choose to find it.

My wife found that information about Dropbox actually. I'm not sure what links she was reading, but I found these just now:

http://www.drop-dropbox.com/
http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/10/condi-rice-joins-dropbox-board-of-direct

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Quote from: tutkarz on April 11, 2014, 01:00:57 PM

Bitcoin is not the solution for human problems. But bitcoin shows what they are.

True, Bitcoin won't solve human problems. I agree. Like I mentioned, Bitcoin won't remove the greed and evil from the hearts of men.

But Bitcoin at least offers a mathetmatical-based, non-biased arbiter of monetary and economic handling. Human problems relating to economic control and power which has been derived from economic manipulation will now be ineffective to the new mathematic arbiters (digital currency) which invariably ensure economy is fairly handled and unmanipulatable.

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Quote from: jparsley on April 11, 2014, 02:10:51 PM

Nice sharing

Thank you

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The reason for all problems on earth are greed and jealously, bitcoin will not solve these problems.

Bitcoin will not ever remove greed and jealousy from the hearts of men.

But Bitcoin will forcibly and passively take the power from the individuals who are exhibiting the worst case scenarios of greed and jealousy (on massive scales), and return it to the more decent person.

It has been proved anyone can be turned into a monster, real decent people you talk about are very rare, the new bitcoin elite is well established and human nature will once again prevail.

I understand your point. As you suggest, perhaps there will be a power shift from the current dictators to the new bitcoin elite. But either way, the difference is that the new bitcoin elite can't print money, and don't control the money supply. So it's actually better in my opinion.

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Ah, free energy, this is a good one. The problem with free energy discoveries (that aren't just completely bogus) is they don't scale ( i say this one who has implemented Tesla designed devices). The proponents wont accept that so pretend the technology is suppressed. Nevermind that the non-western world hasn't used the technologies. What shouldn't China or India do to ditch carbon based energy?

The conspiracy also ignores the significant economic point that there are more vested interests that would benefit from cheaper/free energy than there are interests involved in energy. In fact considering oil, there's more economic value to non-energy use than burning it up. Consider electricity (mostly non-oil generated), the cost of coal is dirt cheap, its the transportation, the building a precision machine, the distribution network etc that cost money, money that needs investment upfront for pay back over generations.

The problem is that there are decent alternative energy tech, but people investigating or wanting investment sound too much like the nutters shouting about breaking away from "Big Oil" etc, so people shy away.

But of course the conspiracist will tell you that's part of the suppression... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: trc on April 11, 2014, 01:24:03 PM

Exactly. Where did this idea of conspiracy=anti-gov come from? It's not true. Just because some of them think so doesn't mean every thinker thinks the same way.

some people here are making that equal... that's what i see, but it's utterly wrong.

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Nice sharing

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