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Topic: The recurring trouble-cycle of bitcoins, and why I'm here. - page 3. (Read 9766 times)

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Sorry for the rant.  My fingers need a break.  Once I get typing about this stuff it's hard to stop...
Please don't, excellent posts, if you ever feel like writing for the magazine I'm sure it would go down well. Almost too good, will have to keep an eye on you Wink

It's non stop here today, first an education in market manipulation, then a debit card linked to bitcoin announced and now you pop up... I've no idea who you are but I'd bet you'll be playing a leading roll in bitcoins future. Very pleased to make your acquaintance.

Well, that's something I would be interested in contributing to at some point.   Let me know if there are any topics you guys are looking for people to write on, and I'll let you know if I can do anything to help.

You said something about starting a rating agency.
How will you prevent corruption of such a powerfull organisation?
Is this even preentable and if not, is such a false sense of security still valuable to the community?
legendary
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Coreadrin,

I agree with everything you have written in this excellent thread. I would, however, like to add one more thing to the long list of bitcoin's benefits: Bitcoin enables a sustainable (i.e. steady state, zero growth) economic paradigm. This is because bitcoin -unlike paper money- is not backed by interest-bearing debt.

I a world that is starting to hit physical limits on resource availability a monetary system which is not based on debt its an essential thing. Precious metal is not ideal because of the issue with the custodian (who might issue more certificates than there is physical pm in stock to back), but with bitcoin everyone can and should be his own custodian. Problem solved.

If it is allowed to survive and prosper, bitcoin is truly one of those rare once-in-a-century inventions which has the potential to make the world a better place.
legendary
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Although your ideas are possible on paper, I just don't see bitcoin becoming the saving grace that ends all wars. The powers that be will do whatever it takes to preserve that power.

I agree with this 100%. The only way to end aggression is through the use of force (ironically). There is no lasting, peaceful way to prevent other people from coming and trying to take your shit by force (under the pretense of the "greater good").

You only have as much liberty and freedom as you are willing to defend physically.


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The North Remembers
Honest money: the principle benefit of bitcoin.
I loled...

Didn't say anything about the assholes and idiots that flourish in today's society. When has a Bitcoin lied to you? You either have it or you don't. How you acquire and lose it is up to you. In short, people are a problem.
legendary
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Our latest example is Iran, and military action is sure to follow unless the bond market does what I am praying it should, and forces the US government to shrivel up and die

It's a long way to death from a bond market crash, and that historically acts as a trigger for war rather than prevention. Thankfully, it also signifies completion of a cycle and the failure of whatever dominant power is struggling to maintain its relevance.

Other than that part, I agree wholeheartedly. Bitcoin is like the transition from wind to coal to oil-based power sources, making a lot of traditional systems break due to incompatibility.
newbie
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Sorry for the rant.  My fingers need a break.  Once I get typing about this stuff it's hard to stop...
Please don't, excellent posts, if you ever feel like writing for the magazine I'm sure it would go down well. Almost too good, will have to keep an eye on you Wink

It's non stop here today, first an education in market manipulation, then a debit card linked to bitcoin announced and now you pop up... I've no idea who you are but I'd bet you'll be playing a leading roll in bitcoins future. Very pleased to make your acquaintance.

Well, that's something I would be interested in contributing to at some point.   Let me know if there are any topics you guys are looking for people to write on, and I'll let you know if I can do anything to help.
legendary
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Sorry for the rant.  My fingers need a break.  Once I get typing about this stuff it's hard to stop...
Please don't, excellent posts, if you ever feel like writing for the magazine I'm sure it would go down well. Almost too good, will have to keep an eye on you Wink

It's non stop here today, first an education in market manipulation, then a debit card linked to bitcoin announced and now you pop up... I've no idea who you are but I'd bet you'll be playing a leading roll in bitcoins future. Very pleased to make your acquaintance.

Where can I read more about this debit card?  I don't see anything in the service announcements or service discussion sections.

Edit: found it in bitcoin discussion: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitinstant-paycard-101838
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Eloncoin.org - Mars, here we come!
The powers that be are bankrupt and about to subject to the sledge hammer that is the laws of economics.  I'm not all that worried about them - I just want to help people move on as fast as possible and get humanity morally sound and civilized as fast as possible again...
I hope you're right. I think society will always be ruled by a group of elite people no matter what happens. I guess I'm just pessimistic. Or maybe I'm giving the people at the top of the pyramid too much credit. idk.
newbie
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The powers that be are bankrupt and about to subject to the sledge hammer that is the laws of economics.  I'm not all that worried about them - I just want to help people move on as fast as possible and get humanity morally sound and civilized as fast as possible again...
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Eloncoin.org - Mars, here we come!
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legendary
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What we have now is that people know something is wrong, in their gut, they are a bit resentful of how much is being stolen directly from them, and they instinctively have the impulse to speculate because their store of "value" buys less and less every year.  

i totally agree with this and it's my supposition that this entire rise off the $2 level has been driven by this market instinct and NOT pirate.  i'm constantly amazed by how ppl around here panic based on such concocted theories and comments from a ponzi schemer and scammer.

In general, people have very predictable preferences.

1 - They are in control.
2 - They aren't in control, but someone is.
3 - No one is in control, shit just happens.

People can obviously see that #1 isn't true for most things, so they go with #2 because they like it better than #3.  This is why insane conspiracy theories are so common and popular.
legendary
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What we have now is that people know something is wrong, in their gut, they are a bit resentful of how much is being stolen directly from them, and they instinctively have the impulse to speculate because their store of "value" buys less and less every year.  

i totally agree with this and it's my supposition that this entire rise off the $2 level has been driven by this market instinct and NOT pirate.  i'm constantly amazed by how ppl around here panic based on such concocted theories and comments from a ponzi schemer and scammer.
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Honest money: the principle benefit of bitcoin.
I loled...
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Honest money: the principle benefit of bitcoin.
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Don't be so quick to dismiss gold and silver. They both have their place. If you flee to a lesser developed agrarian country (which is more resilient to a failure of fiat money), some precious metal coins can be very handy for acquiring goods and services. The advantage is that metals are widely accepted by street merchants (ironically, except in the G20 countries).

Some precious metals could be a good hold over until fiat has completely destroyed itself and the Bitcoin economy becomes pervasive.


I absolutely agree with this.  PM's will get food to your mouth and a roof over your head while fiat is dying.  My focus on bitcoin is philosophical, economic, and even a bit philanthropic.  Bitcoin is international money.  It can facilitate international trade across institutions while a central-depository PM currency will take days to do this on any transaction outside of its own institution.  This is what makes it brilliant.

For philosophical and economic reasons, it is simply because bitcoin is a moral money, much like anything else the market voluntarily elects i.e. gold, silver, etc.  It is because when the market (whenever I say "market" in any conversation I have on here, this is my condensed term for "all of the voluntarily interacting human beings making choices all of the time") chooses the money, the market flourishes.

What we have seen in the digital economy is growth that only existed in the physical economy for a short time - the Gilded Age, where true economic expansion in production under gold and silver increased at a rate beyond anything in the scarce realm before, or since.  We are in the Gilded Age of the digital economy, and more and more scare resources are being brought into it for that reason.  Already, millions upon millions of man-hours of former labour are now instantaneous and infinitely-replicatable in the digital realm, freeing up untold riches in human capital and that most precious commodity - time.  It's the most beautiful thing for the human race that has happened in ages.

The philanthropic aspect is sort of a two-edged sword (and I'm holding the hilt!).  On the one hand, I want to cut off the mechanism that allows states to hire people, ship them off to other countries, and pay them to murder hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.  War is not possible without currency monopoly, at least any war that violates the NAP is not (pre-emptive/aggressive).  Can you possible imagine how it would work out if the US government had to actually extract every dollar it uses to pay the Offensive Military directly from the hands of taxpayers?  There is no way.  The "Great Society" would die on the vine as it should, because there is no way you could tax what has been monetized directly from the hands of productive people.  They wouldn't stand for it.    This is why no "true believer" progressive ever talks about abolishing central banking, only "reforming" it - they know their vision of every second of life being managed by "experts" and being "equal" for all, is absolutely impossible under market money.

What we have now is that people know something is wrong, in their gut, they are a bit resentful of how much is being stolen directly from them, and they instinctively have the impulse to speculate because their store of "value" buys less and less every year.  Imagine if tax-by-central-bank became an actual attempt to tax!  It would be the Whiskey Rebellion all over again (and damned straight!), with the good guys likely winning.

On the other hand, there is only one key to actually stopping men and women from signing up to head off and kill other people in other countries for the sins of their governments or tiny factions therein.  That key is trade.  People do not kill each other when they do business together and make money from each other.  "when goods and services cross borders, soldiers won't".  It is extremely hard to propagandize me that all Chinese are evil cannibals who want to murder me for being randomly born in an arbitrarily fined geographic region, when just last night I was on the phone with Wong and we worked out a very good deal to get some stuff shipped over for me.  This is why you see economic sanctions, always, before you see military action - it is part of the "consensus" upon which our society has disgustingly set the foundation for its morality.  Our latest example is Iran, and military action is sure to follow unless the bond market does what I am praying it should, and forces the US government to shrivel up and die (disclosure:  I am fully leveraged short in long-term treasuries as of about 2 weeks ago, along with Japanese long bonds, German bunds, and France long term debt).

Bitcoin is something that can usher in world piece as a two edged sword - it removes the monetization possibility that enables war, and it keeps people in the rational world, where they do business together and benefit each other.  Rational people are that much harder to propagandize, and would revolt if their economic success were cut off because of politicking.  It really can be a tool that could re-shape so many paradigms of society.

Sorry for the rant.  My fingers need a break.  Once I get typing about this stuff it's hard to stop...
legendary
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nice post OP and i share your outlook on pm's and Bitcoin.  good luck.  Cheesy
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Great post. Bitcoin is still experiencing significant growing pains but they will get better through time as we learn and go forward. What we need is people like you who want to build this economy and create true progress!
legendary
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Don't be so quick to dismiss gold and silver. They both have their place. If you flee to a lesser developed agrarian country (which is more resilient to a failure of fiat money), some precious metal coins can be very handy for acquiring goods and services. The advantage is that metals are widely accepted by street merchants (ironically, except in the G20 countries).

Some precious metals could be a good hold over until fiat has completely destroyed itself and the Bitcoin economy becomes pervasive.
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I guess you guys are sort of right about posting in "discussion", however my background and focus are more on the financial side of things, which I generally consider "speculation", so I just tossed it in here.  If a mod feels like moving it elsewhere, by all means! Smiley

One of the things I would like to set up is an actual ratings system for bitcoin securities and institutions.  One of the things that bitcoin entrepreneurs are going to have to get over is some of their anonymity.  People need to have a recourse, and I want to set up a rating system and a sort of BBB for bitcoin businesses, who I can vet based on their operations, actual cash and bitcoin holdings, etc, and rank them on viability and on trust.  Kind of like BBB meets Yelp, for bitcoin businesses.

I am also looking at other opportunities to make dealing in physical goods with bitcoins a lot safer, even over distances.  I'm not saying more than that about that specific venture right now, but my goal is to set up a sort of network for bitcoin that brings good, moral entrepreneurs and customers into the fold and leaves the scammers and tramps (old definition, here) out hanging in the wind.  Sort of a "digital, gated society" that offers security and recourse in the even of a dispute.  And, because my background is mainly in investing, I want to offer investment opportunities that are very transparent and give long-term holders and adopters a place to put their coins and generate a yield (an actual, real, achievable target and full breakdown of allocations and holdings, all done through offshore accounts that are untouchable by western governments, and all with a minimum 10% ownership by myself or any other "insider").

This is something I've been cooking on the back burner while I wind down my own business operations in the physical world.  The climate is becoming a disaster to do business where I am, and I almost feel bad for the fellow who's buying me out, because of the legislative shitstorm and army of bureaucrats that will crash down on his head as of next year.  But, it is what it is, and I am shifting myself over to the last realm on earth that is a truly free market - the digital one.  I can't begin to explain how excited I am for bitcoin and for the digital economy, which has been growing by double digits YoY since it sprung up in the 1990's.  And that is on the back of a fiat currency and draconian financial system.  How much more do we have to look forward to now that money itself is back in our hands!
legendary
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Well put. Yes, it might best be posted in discussion than speculation, but that's a minor quibble.

Your comments about precious metals still requiring some sort of custodial representation are spot-on. There is no other practical way to make the monetary metals function efficiently in a modern market environment.

In mentioning Franken-Dodd - it was the final straw that pushed me to participate exclusively in Bitcoin, remaining in traditional markets only to the extent absolutely required and a disposable play fund. Counterparty risk will push the world over that edge in due time, so being this far ahead will allow early adopters to ride that wave.
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