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Topic: The Rogue Wave (Read 1718 times)
the whole thing is just an elaborate ruse.
if craig handed over wallets in this manner, ira would have immediately moved the coins. if the coins are inaccessible, then the point is moot anyway. so until i see 2009 coins moving on the blockchain, i don't buy these outlandish tales.
if craig handed over wallets in this manner, ira would have immediately moved the coins. if the coins are inaccessible, then the point is moot anyway. so until i see 2009 coins moving on the blockchain, i don't buy these outlandish tales.
Doesn't he get his untold riches when the tulip trust sends the bonded courier who might have some part of some key if he can find some woman he's never met or heard of on January 1st?
Not long now.
Boy, am I nervous.
proof or it didn't happen. have you seen satoshi coins moving on the blockchain? 
a judge ordered craig to pay, but that doesn't mean he paid.
last i heard, both sides filed for an extension so they could engage in settlement talks.
here's my take: craig obviously doesn't own shit. ira and his attorneys already know this. the court order is just leverage to force craig into forking over as much cash as possible. this will be settled out of court.
a judge ordered craig to pay, but that doesn't mean he paid.
last i heard, both sides filed for an extension so they could engage in settlement talks.
here's my take: craig obviously doesn't own shit. ira and his attorneys already know this. the court order is just leverage to force craig into forking over as much cash as possible. this will be settled out of court.
No, I havent. But were not these coins in several different wallets?
If CSW have them stored in a hdd, he could put half of those wallets in a pendrive and give it to Ira.
This, however, does not means he have the password for them.
Now, if the hdd itself is encrypted (and not just the individual wallets), he cant even send these wallets to Ira, which is even worse for Shelby's conspiracy theory.
the whole thing is just an elaborate ruse.
if craig handed over wallets in this manner, ira would have immediately moved the coins. if the coins are inaccessible, then the point is moot anyway. so until i see 2009 coins moving on the blockchain, i don't buy these outlandish tales.
Relaying a reply as an impartial messenger.
The global elite who created Bitcoin don’t need to break any encryption. The Ira Kleiman story is fabricated. Sheesh gullible sheepeople.
proof or it didn't happen. have you seen satoshi coins moving on the blockchain?
a judge ordered craig to pay, but that doesn't mean he paid.
last i heard, both sides filed for an extension so they could engage in settlement talks.
here's my take: craig obviously doesn't own shit. ira and his attorneys already know this. the court order is just leverage to force craig into forking over as much cash as possible. this will be settled out of court.
This specific issue was already discussed in the Long-term advance notice thread wherein I pointed out that Craig Wright (probably intentionally created/incited the court case against himself by fabricating the entire story about Ira Kleiman and) will end up selling his free airdropped Bitcoin Core protocol BTC (those with an address that begins with 3) on the exchanges after he covertly splits the chain with the huge mining farm their group controls. This dumping on exchanges will kick off the collapse in the price of BTC Core. He will retain his legacy BTC (those with an address that begins with 1) since those are going to $1+ million each.
Even if you believe that Craig Wright is not a silly puppet of the very serious global elite who I posited created Bitcoin and their posited Facebook Libra + Bitcoin 666 masterplan, don’t forget that the Trilema.com dude is presumably also on board this donations attack (he is my original source of the idea before Craig even mentioned it two years later) who was also the Ethereum DAO attacker, had amassed ~0.5 million BTC from his investments in for example SatoshiDice. Note lately it seems the Trilema dude has been attempting to make it appear that his group is in disarray and lost all their fortune. I presume this is for optics to fool the plebs. Seems every long-term hodler Bitcoin $billionaire seems to pretend they’ve gone mad and lost all their BTC. Perhaps it has something to do with not wanting to have the entire world of gangsters aiming to drill a hole in your leg.
Don’t forget he was my silver business friend before Bitcoin and I gave him the thumbs up to sell $100k of silver to buy 10,000 BTC in 2012/2013.
In addition to the estimates of $80k which I triangulated from multiple analyses, I conservatively expect it to remain within the dark band above the stock-to-flows valuation model if peaking at the halving instead of well after:
Note I’m not selling all my legacy BTC which I expect to continue up to $1+ million (while the Bitcoin Core/SegWit blockchain forks-off and dies) if you can find an OTC exchange to transact on if the SegWit donations (poison pill defense) “attack” bankrupts most of the exchanges, Bakkt, CME, etc..
The majority is always wrong:
@gentlemand, yeah right I don’t have any skin in the game. Your “civilized” groupthink culture across the pond can’t even fight your way out of wet brown paper bag to accomplish Brexit. Remain focused on your drinking and oblivious to the real world. @infofront presumably (very rarely) posts on my behalf (if I beg him enough) so that I can either make a fool of myself and/or so that (I can be vindicated and) at least everyone will have had access to the information so everyone can decide for themselves. Perhaps you prefer to remain inebriated in a very politely ignorant, information-controlled, gestapo “civilization” sipping spiked tea, twiddling your thumbs while Rome burns.
I dont believe CSW will break this encryption.
The global elite who created Bitcoin don’t need to break any encryption. The Ira Kleiman story is fabricated. Sheesh gullible sheepeople.
Didn't Craig send half of Satoshi's stash to Ira Kleiman?
proof or it didn't happen. have you seen satoshi coins moving on the blockchain?
a judge ordered craig to pay, but that doesn't mean he paid.
last i heard, both sides filed for an extension so they could engage in settlement talks.
here's my take: craig obviously doesn't own shit. ira and his attorneys already know this. the court order is just leverage to force craig into forking over as much cash as possible. this will be settled out of court.
This specific issue was already discussed in the Long-term advance notice thread wherein I pointed out that Craig Wright (probably intentionally created/incited the court case against himself by fabricating the entire story about Ira Kleiman and) will end up selling his free airdropped Bitcoin Core protocol BTC (those with an address that begins with 3) on the exchanges after he covertly splits the chain with the huge mining farm their group controls. This dumping on exchanges will kick off the collapse in the price of BTC Core. He will retain his legacy BTC (those with an address that begins with 1) since those are going to $1+ million each.
Even if you believe that Craig Wright is not a silly puppet of the very serious global elite who I posited created Bitcoin and their posited Facebook Libra + Bitcoin 666 masterplan, don’t forget that the Trilema.com dude is presumably also on board this donations attack (he is my original source of the idea before Craig even mentioned it two years later) who was also the Ethereum DAO attacker, had amassed ~0.5 million BTC from his investments in for example SatoshiDice. Note lately it seems the Trilema dude has been attempting to make it appear that his group is in disarray and lost all their fortune. I presume this is for optics to fool the plebs. Seems every long-term hodler Bitcoin $billionaire seems to pretend they’ve gone mad and lost all their BTC. Perhaps it has something to do with not wanting to have the entire world of gangsters aiming to drill a hole in your leg.
Don’t forget he was my silver business friend before Bitcoin and I gave him the thumbs up to sell $100k of silver to buy 10,000 BTC in 2012/2013.
only $80k though? disappointing. my asks are all in the 6-figure range. see you on the order book, shelby.
In addition to the estimates of $80k which I triangulated from multiple analyses, I conservatively expect it to remain within the dark band above the stock-to-flows valuation model if peaking at the halving instead of well after:
pinning all his hopes on craig wright is a baffling decision, but maybe it'll pay off. it's a high reward bet---someone's bound to take it.
Note I’m not selling all my legacy BTC which I expect to continue up to $1+ million (while the Bitcoin Core/SegWit blockchain forks-off and dies) if you can find an OTC exchange to transact on if the SegWit donations (poison pill defense) “attack” bankrupts most of the exchanges, Bakkt, CME, etc..
The majority is always wrong:
Quote from: https://cointelegraph.com/news/contrarian-view-why-bitcoin-price-may-dump-after-2020-halving
At present, various media, crypto-Twitter and other involved parties continue to frequently mention Bitcoin’s 2020 halving. The majority infers that the asset will rise significantly either before or after the halving and this assumption is based on analysis of previous halvings.
This hype and anticipation could be the perfect storm of circumstances to create a “buy the rumor, sell the news” type of situation, at least in the short term.
Essentially, in many markets, a highly anticipated event will often spike the price of related assets in the days leading up to that event. Once the event occurs, the prices for those assets often drop notably.
This hype and anticipation could be the perfect storm of circumstances to create a “buy the rumor, sell the news” type of situation, at least in the short term.
Essentially, in many markets, a highly anticipated event will often spike the price of related assets in the days leading up to that event. Once the event occurs, the prices for those assets often drop notably.
@gentlemand, yeah right I don’t have any skin in the game.
Your “civilized” groupthink culture across the pond can’t even fight your way out of wet brown paper bag to accomplish Brexit. Remain focused on your drinking and oblivious to the real world. @infofront presumably (very rarely) posts on my behalf (if I beg him enough) so that I can either make a fool of myself and/or so that (I can be vindicated and) at least everyone will have had access to the information so everyone can decide for themselves. Perhaps you prefer to remain inebriated in a very politely ignorant, information-controlled, gestapo “civilization” sipping spiked tea, twiddling your thumbs while Rome burns.No, I havent. But were not these coins in several different wallets?
If CSW have them stored in a hdd, he could put half of those wallets in a pendrive and give it to Ira.
This, however, does not means he have the password for them.
Now, if the hdd itself is encrypted (and not just the individual wallets), he cant even send these wallets to Ira, which is even worse for Shelby's conspiracy theory.
I dont believe CSW will break this encryption. I think he is not even trying, its just a show to promote BSV.
But if bitcoin goes down, so does BSV.
If CSW have them stored in a hdd, he could put half of those wallets in a pendrive and give it to Ira.
This, however, does not means he have the password for them.
Now, if the hdd itself is encrypted (and not just the individual wallets), he cant even send these wallets to Ira, which is even worse for Shelby's conspiracy theory.
I dont believe CSW will break this encryption. I think he is not even trying, its just a show to promote BSV.
But if bitcoin goes down, so does BSV.
How can you believe one single word of any conceivable angle of the entirety of this tale? There's no proof Dave Kleiman had anything to do with BTC. There's no proof of anything about Craigy other than the proof he himself has provided of his being a corpulent fantasist.
Does that
read like the Satoshi we know, or anyone who got within a trillion miles of him?
Didn't Craig send half of Satoshi's stash to Ira Kleiman?
proof or it didn't happen. have you seen satoshi coins moving on the blockchain?
a judge ordered craig to pay, but that doesn't mean he paid.
last i heard, both sides filed for an extension so they could engage in settlement talks.
here's my take: craig obviously doesn't own shit. ira and his attorneys already know this. the court order is just leverage to force craig into forking over as much cash as possible. this will be settled out of court.
No, I havent. But were not these coins in several different wallets?
If CSW have them stored in a hdd, he could put half of those wallets in a pendrive and give it to Ira.
This, however, does not means he have the password for them.
Now, if the hdd itself is encrypted (and not just the individual wallets), he cant even send these wallets to Ira, which is even worse for Shelby's conspiracy theory.
I dont believe CSW will break this encryption. I think he is not even trying, its just a show to promote BSV.
But if bitcoin goes down, so does BSV.
If Bitcoin goes down, and dies, every cryptocurrency also will go down and die. No other self-bootstrapped cryptocurrency will reach the same network-effects like Bitcoin in 50 years in my opinion. It's a precious breakthrough.
Didn't Craig send half of Satoshi's stash to Ira Kleiman?
proof or it didn't happen. have you seen satoshi coins moving on the blockchain?
a judge ordered craig to pay, but that doesn't mean he paid.
last i heard, both sides filed for an extension so they could engage in settlement talks.
here's my take: craig obviously doesn't own shit. ira and his attorneys already know this. the court order is just leverage to force craig into forking over as much cash as possible. this will be settled out of court.
No, I havent. But were not these coins in several different wallets?
If CSW have them stored in a hdd, he could put half of those wallets in a pendrive and give it to Ira.
This, however, does not means he have the password for them.
Now, if the hdd itself is encrypted (and not just the individual wallets), he cant even send these wallets to Ira, which is even worse for Shelby's conspiracy theory.
I dont believe CSW will break this encryption. I think he is not even trying, its just a show to promote BSV.
But if bitcoin goes down, so does BSV.
Didn't Craig send half of Satoshi's stash to Ira Kleiman?
proof or it didn't happen. have you seen satoshi coins moving on the blockchain?
a judge ordered craig to pay, but that doesn't mean he paid.
last i heard, both sides filed for an extension so they could engage in settlement talks.
here's my take: craig obviously doesn't own shit. ira and his attorneys already know this. the court order is just leverage to force craig into forking over as much cash as possible. this will be settled out of court.
Didn't Craig send half of Satoshi's stash to Ira Kleiman?
Go ahead and open shorts at $80,000. I double dog dare ya. 
Where are they coming from anyway? The Bitcoin.com forum? I was wondering if they were his alt accounts.
Maybe it's time people stopped being impartial messengers?
Where are they coming from anyway? The Bitcoin.com forum? I was wondering if they were his alt accounts.
pinning all his hopes on craig wright is a baffling decision, but maybe it'll pay off. it's a high reward bet---someone's bound to take it.
Believing our psychotic Antipodean friend has a bean to his name is the last bullet in the noggin of this person's cred. I don't see how any faintly rational being can believe a word of anything surrounding that particular subject.
Maybe it's time people stopped being impartial messengers?
Quote from: Shelby
This is obviously based on the assumption of a SegWit donations attack at the halving event in May 2020, with the need for the price to moon before the halving so then when the price is crashed by Craig Wright dumping ~1 million BTC then the SegWit (i.e. Core) blockchain will lose most of its miners and thus slow down to perhaps 1 block found every week (instead of every 10 minutes) and with the mining difficult not to be reset (without some centralized intervention) for perhaps a year or never. The inability of the SegWit blockchain to proces transactions as the price craters will cause the price to crater even more in a spiraling into the death-of-coin abyss effect.
if nothing else, the guy is consistent.
pinning all his hopes on craig wright is a baffling decision, but maybe it'll pay off. it's a high reward bet---someone's bound to take it.
only $80k though? disappointing. my asks are all in the 6-figure range. see you on the order book, shelby.
Update from Shelby, being passed on by an impartial observer:
Quote from: Shelby
This is obviously based on the assumption of a SegWit donations attack at the halving event in May 2020, with the need for the price to moon before the halving so then when the price is crashed by Craig Wright dumping ~1 million BTC then the SegWit (i.e. Core) blockchain will lose most of its miners and thus slow down to perhaps 1 block found every week (instead of every 10 minutes) and with the mining difficult not to be reset (without some centralized intervention) for perhaps a year or never. The inability of the SegWit blockchain to proces transactions as the price craters will cause the price to crater even more in a spiraling into the death-of-coin abyss effect.
Enjoy the wild ride!
Enjoy the wild ride!
Quote from: Shelby
I sent this in email to Coins.ph’s support. I think this addresses Wind_FURY’s latest posts in this thread. Someone with a high IQ would have already deduced the following from my prior statements, so consider the following to be remedial education for the dimwitted.
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The point is that if you are holding your BTC in SegWit addresses that begin with a 3 instead of Satoshi's protocol addresses that begin with 1, then all your BTC is going to be taken by the miners as donations if Craig Wright fulfills his promise to restore Satoshi’s protocol. You will not have any notice nor time to react. By the time you hear about it, your BTC will be gone. Poof. Gone. Note BSV is apparently a red herring and is not Satoshi’s immutable protocol that will be restored.
Read these threads very carefully:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51584165
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157964.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157901.0;all
Note the plan to eventually back Libra with Satoshi’s protocol Bitcoin is not known to the public at this time. It is a speculation on how the world is going to be reshaped (eventually hyperinflation of the dollar after the strong dollar vortex) and who is really in control and why they created Bitcoin in the first place. Bitcoin and Libra are not about what overly idealistic (snowflake fantasies) young people think it is about. Only dimwitted idiots still do not understand that a 1 MB block size kicks everyone except the global elite off of legacy protocol Bitcoin eventually.
https://www.ccn.com/alex-jones-tells-joe-rogan-george-soros-offered-me-5-million-to-pump-bitcoin/
Satan (and extremely powerful men without any other goals to challenge them) is insatiable thus wants to own your soul. He’s not satisfied with just owning all the tangible resources of the earth. Also humanity refuses to follow the teachings of Jesus and thus desires to be enslaved, so the power vacuum of slavery must be fulfilled by someone.
Did they send you a reply back? I would have liked to see their customer support's face when he read your email.
Anyone who's not delusional would know that "restoring Satoshi's protocol" would be another chain, that would not be the "BTC" ticker in the exchanges. Not worth the risk for miners.
Posting again as an impartial messenger.
Quote from: Shelby
I sent this in email to Coins.ph’s support. I think this addresses Wind_FURY’s latest posts in this thread. Someone with a high IQ would have already deduced the following from my prior statements, so consider the following to be remedial education for the dimwitted.
The point is that if you are holding your BTC in SegWit addresses that begin with a 3 instead of Satoshi's protocol addresses that begin with 1, then all your BTC is going to be taken by the miners as donations if Craig Wright fulfills his promise to restore Satoshi’s protocol. You will not have any notice nor time to react. By the time you hear about it, your BTC will be gone. Poof. Gone. Note BSV is apparently a red herring and is not Satoshi’s immutable protocol that will be restored.
Read these threads very carefully:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51584165
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157964.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157901.0;all
Note the plan to eventually back Libra with Satoshi’s protocol Bitcoin is not known to the public at this time. It is a speculation on how the world is going to be reshaped (eventually hyperinflation of the dollar after the strong dollar vortex) and who is really in control and why they created Bitcoin in the first place. Bitcoin and Libra are not about what overly idealistic (snowflake fantasies) young people think it is about. Only dimwitted idiots still do not understand that a 1 MB block size kicks everyone except the global elite off of legacy protocol Bitcoin eventually.
Satan (and extremely powerful men without any other goals to challenge them) is insatiable thus wants to own your soul. He’s not satisfied with just owning all the tangible resources of the earth. Also humanity refuses to follow the teachings of Jesus and thus desires to be enslaved, so the power vacuum of slavery must be fulfilled by someone.
Quote
The point is that if you are holding your BTC in SegWit addresses that begin with a 3 instead of Satoshi's protocol addresses that begin with 1, then all your BTC is going to be taken by the miners as donations if Craig Wright fulfills his promise to restore Satoshi’s protocol. You will not have any notice nor time to react. By the time you hear about it, your BTC will be gone. Poof. Gone. Note BSV is apparently a red herring and is not Satoshi’s immutable protocol that will be restored.
Read these threads very carefully:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51584165
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157964.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157901.0;all
Note the plan to eventually back Libra with Satoshi’s protocol Bitcoin is not known to the public at this time. It is a speculation on how the world is going to be reshaped (eventually hyperinflation of the dollar after the strong dollar vortex) and who is really in control and why they created Bitcoin in the first place. Bitcoin and Libra are not about what overly idealistic (snowflake fantasies) young people think it is about. Only dimwitted idiots still do not understand that a 1 MB block size kicks everyone except the global elite off of legacy protocol Bitcoin eventually.
Satan (and extremely powerful men without any other goals to challenge them) is insatiable thus wants to own your soul. He’s not satisfied with just owning all the tangible resources of the earth. Also humanity refuses to follow the teachings of Jesus and thus desires to be enslaved, so the power vacuum of slavery must be fulfilled by someone.
I would be curious about "Rogue Wave" opinions about "Native" SegWit addresses (Bech32 addresses) like the below:
bc1qwqdg6squsna38e46795at95yu9atm8azzmyvckulcc7kytlcckxswvvzej
bc1qmrmfs07jnngy8f69sln9p7lpv5dmg0lfxhdfrz
I am also curious as to why some of those "bc1qxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" addresses are so much longer than others. Both above addresses from Block 587155.
[edited for minor typo]
Posting again as an impartial messenger.
I updated the following Steemit post. I want you to view the charts and read at least the first (at the very top of the post) and last link (at the very bottom of) the post, which I will discuss below.
https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/re-anonymint-countries-vulnerable-to-economic-devastation-soon-20180629t105111746z
Archive:
http://archive.is/https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/re-anonymint-countries-vulnerable-to-economic-devastation-soon-20180629t105111746z
So the charts indicate the 2014 solar (sunspot) cycle peaked ~150 which was ~20% lower then the ~190 peak of the prior two 11 year solar cycles.
The #24 solar cycle (“cooling”) bottomed in 2019.
Armstrong is making the following points:
1. Cycle #25 (“warming”) will peak at least 33% less than cycle #24 and possibly as low as 50% less.
2. We’re headed into food shortages (and thus increased food prices) due to this rapid change in the climate due the Maunder Minimum in the sun which is worsening, with a backtested scientific model projecting of a Mini-Ice Age by 2030.
3. The world stands at a precipice of a significant contagion and stagflation that will make a lot of debt unserviceable. This is the bankster’s business model:
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.10/thinklikeabanker.html
(note above linked blog was written in January 2010)
So the bankster’s plan is currently at the stage before the “Onset of hyperinflation”. That hyperinflation can’t come until most people do not hold debt, because the banksters would not want to hyperinflate away the widely held debt allowing people to retain their debt financed assets without paying for them. First the banksters want to default those loans and take possession of the assets while pushing most people into poverty and dependence on socialism (in short slavery).
I add to these points that the coming inflation will not only be cost push, but also monetary. The strong dollar vortex will cause huge inflation in the other countries due to the weakening value of their local currencies. Facebook’s Libra providing a way for citizens all over the world to hold dollars will exacerbate the coming strong dollar vortex.
So first we will get the strong dollar and global stagflation, so then later (~2024 – 2028?) when the dollar is to be crashed, this future extreme stagflation in the USA (because everything imported will cost more as the dollar crashes and global economy will be toasted except Asia will be starting to grow again as the dollar crashes so demand will outstrip supply of many things due to the prior contraction outside the USA under the strong dollar). So as the dollar crashes real estate values will plummet in the USA (the exhale of foreign capital that exits after stampeding into the USD during the preceding the vortex), which will cause so many debt defaults. Then after that the bankster plan is to hyperinflate the dollar which they can do by for example backing Libra (which should be ubiquitously used outside the USA by that time because of the strong dollar vortex) with legacy Bitcoin (not the Bitcoin Core which is not Bitcoin and will be destroyed this coming May 2020). That will force the Fed to monetize the government’s $1+ trillion annual debts which will worsen after 2024 when socialism grinds the USA into the abyss after Trump is done with his second term.
In short, astute investors will become extremely wealthy (although most will lose everything because they’re not paying attention), but many people are going to end up on Universal Basic Income slavery within a decade or two.
https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/re-anonymint-countries-vulnerable-to-economic-devastation-soon-20180629t105111746z
Archive:
http://archive.is/https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/re-anonymint-countries-vulnerable-to-economic-devastation-soon-20180629t105111746z
So the charts indicate the 2014 solar (sunspot) cycle peaked ~150 which was ~20% lower then the ~190 peak of the prior two 11 year solar cycles.
The #24 solar cycle (“cooling”) bottomed in 2019.
Armstrong is making the following points:
1. Cycle #25 (“warming”) will peak at least 33% less than cycle #24 and possibly as low as 50% less.
2. We’re headed into food shortages (and thus increased food prices) due to this rapid change in the climate due the Maunder Minimum in the sun which is worsening, with a backtested scientific model projecting of a Mini-Ice Age by 2030.
3. The world stands at a precipice of a significant contagion and stagflation that will make a lot of debt unserviceable. This is the bankster’s business model:
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.10/thinklikeabanker.html
(note above linked blog was written in January 2010)
So the bankster’s plan is currently at the stage before the “Onset of hyperinflation”. That hyperinflation can’t come until most people do not hold debt, because the banksters would not want to hyperinflate away the widely held debt allowing people to retain their debt financed assets without paying for them. First the banksters want to default those loans and take possession of the assets while pushing most people into poverty and dependence on socialism (in short slavery).
I add to these points that the coming inflation will not only be cost push, but also monetary. The strong dollar vortex will cause huge inflation in the other countries due to the weakening value of their local currencies. Facebook’s Libra providing a way for citizens all over the world to hold dollars will exacerbate the coming strong dollar vortex.
So first we will get the strong dollar and global stagflation, so then later (~2024 – 2028?) when the dollar is to be crashed, this future extreme stagflation in the USA (because everything imported will cost more as the dollar crashes and global economy will be toasted except Asia will be starting to grow again as the dollar crashes so demand will outstrip supply of many things due to the prior contraction outside the USA under the strong dollar). So as the dollar crashes real estate values will plummet in the USA (the exhale of foreign capital that exits after stampeding into the USD during the preceding the vortex), which will cause so many debt defaults. Then after that the bankster plan is to hyperinflate the dollar which they can do by for example backing Libra (which should be ubiquitously used outside the USA by that time because of the strong dollar vortex) with legacy Bitcoin (not the Bitcoin Core which is not Bitcoin and will be destroyed this coming May 2020). That will force the Fed to monetize the government’s $1+ trillion annual debts which will worsen after 2024 when socialism grinds the USA into the abyss after Trump is done with his second term.
In short, astute investors will become extremely wealthy (although most will lose everything because they’re not paying attention), but many people are going to end up on Universal Basic Income slavery within a decade or two.
Quote from: Shelby
What control have the global-elite gained over the world when the high transaction volume, efficient, permissioned, global medium-of-exchange is Facebook Libra, and backed by the slow, inefficient, low transaction volume, trustless/permissionless, reserve currency asset of Bitcoin.
Plus let's also point out that that is misinformation. The Libra white paper never made a statement of Bitcoin as its "reserve currency". Bitcoin's high volatility would be a liability.
The Libra white paper, https://libra.org/en-US/white-paper/
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Libra is designed to be a stable digital cryptocurrency that will be fully backed by a reserve of real assets — the Libra Reserve — and supported by a competitive network of exchanges buying and selling Libra. That means anyone with Libra has a high degree of assurance they can convert their digital currency into local fiat currency based on an exchange rate, just like exchanging one currency for another when traveling. This approach is similar to how other currencies were introduced in the past: to help instill trust in a new currency and gain widespread adoption during its infancy, it was guaranteed that a country’s notes could be traded in for real assets, such as gold. Instead of backing Libra with gold, though, it will be backed by a collection of low-volatility assets, such as bank deposits and short-term government securities in currencies from stable and reputable central banks.
Quote from: Shelby
To fool you into helping them erect a globalized 666 system. Of course they must get you to think that Bitcoin is harmless and/or beneficial in the fight against centralized corruption, in order to gain your fanatical, drooling, sheepeople-fanboy support.
To erect another one? You're not listening. But the present globalized 666 system already works. They already own 99% of everything.
Why build a self-sovereign, decentralized cryprocurrency network? They can't fully control it. Why open the Pandora's box that gives power to the users?
Quote from: Shelby
If I don’t reply to the next myopic thing you guys post, that doesn’t mean you’ve stated something cogent. It just means you guys are apparently not smart (and open-minded) enough to conceptualize the errors in your logic. And I’m not motivated to continue correcting you forever. If you happen to write something that I think actually pokes a hole in my conceptualization, I will surely acknowledge it if I read it. I’m fair that way.
This is my way of saying, don’t expect more replies. I’ve made my major points already.
This is my way of saying, don’t expect more replies. I’ve made my major points already.
Good riddance.
Anyone who bothered to read your text walls can see your theory is based on layer upon layer of irrational assumptions, insane religious numbskullery, and zero substantive facts. You're a wingnut. Bye now!
Posted as an impartial messenger, which means don’t presume I agree with the choice of wording or even the points made. Nevertheless the forum benefits from hearing all sides of an argument.
To fool you into helping them erect a globalized 666 system. Of course they must get you to think that Bitcoin is harmless and/or beneficial in the fight against centralized corruption, in order to gain your fanatical, drooling, sheepeople-fanboy support.
What control have the global-elite gained over the world when the high transaction volume, efficient, permissioned, global medium-of-exchange is Facebook Libra, and backed by the slow, inefficient, low transaction volume, trustless/permissionless, reserve currency asset of Bitcoin.
Facebook Libra is a consortium blockchain to be run by large corporations which the global-elite control.
Besides who ever controls the global economy (eventually through Libra and banking for example), also controls Bitcoin, because due to the power-law distribution the top 1% will will control 33% of the BTC and also the global-elite control the all the $millionaires and $billionaires also with their control over governments, so in effect the global elite control 80+% of the wealth. When the miners take the SegWit donations probably at the halving this May 2020, then you will know that the global elite control Bitcoin and the cryptocosm. They will first crash the public confidence in Bitcoin, by destroying Core Bitcoin so that the public associates decentralized, trustless cryptocurrency with scams. This will open the door for Facebook’s 666 Libra, as the general public will want something that is more “trustworthy”. It’s all doublespeak because the global elite are playing 5D with the sheepeople’s pea-size brains.
The Libra+Bitcoin plan underway is how they consolidate their power over the world into a more firm grip with totalitarian control and tracking over everyone. So they can fully enslave all the sheepeople. Forced chemical lobotomies, forced chemical castration of males, etc.. to reduce the human population to their 500 million goal. This will come in stages over the next few decades.
NSA scans your license plate several times a day to know everywhere you go:
http://web.archive.org/web/20170904230136/https://medium.com/@amuse/did-you-know-that-the-nsa-uses-uber-drivers-and-soccer-moms-to-spy-on-you-d912fe74befd
You guys ostensibly get so enamored with yourselves when you think you’ve rebuked me and think you’ve stated something intelligent, but a person who is more intelligent than you can detect that you’re at the level of 2D checkers and the global elite are playing 5D chess. Do you really think after years of contemplating this that I would overlook such an obvious and simplistic argument as you have just made. If so, you’re not very astute at judging the intellect of others.
If I don’t reply to the next myopic thing you guys post, that doesn’t mean you’ve stated something cogent. It just means you guys are apparently not smart (and open-minded) enough to conceptualize the errors in your logic. And I’m not motivated to continue correcting you forever. If you happen to write something that I think actually pokes a hole in my conceptualization, I will surely acknowledge it if I read it. I’m fair that way.
This is my way of saying, don’t expect more replies. I’ve made my major points already.
Good luck to everyone. I hope some readers have benefited from my effort. Peace.
Quote from: Shelby
Quote from: Wind_FURY
Why would the global elite create a slow, inefficient, hard to scale, trust-minimized blockchain/financial network, which they can't fully control, to compete with the current "666 system" that the own, and fully control?
To fool you into helping them erect a globalized 666 system. Of course they must get you to think that Bitcoin is harmless and/or beneficial in the fight against centralized corruption, in order to gain your fanatical, drooling, sheepeople-fanboy support.
What control have the global-elite gained over the world when the high transaction volume, efficient, permissioned, global medium-of-exchange is Facebook Libra, and backed by the slow, inefficient, low transaction volume, trustless/permissionless, reserve currency asset of Bitcoin.
Facebook Libra is a consortium blockchain to be run by large corporations which the global-elite control.
Besides who ever controls the global economy (eventually through Libra and banking for example), also controls Bitcoin, because due to the power-law distribution the top 1% will will control 33% of the BTC and also the global-elite control the all the $millionaires and $billionaires also with their control over governments, so in effect the global elite control 80+% of the wealth. When the miners take the SegWit donations probably at the halving this May 2020, then you will know that the global elite control Bitcoin and the cryptocosm. They will first crash the public confidence in Bitcoin, by destroying Core Bitcoin so that the public associates decentralized, trustless cryptocurrency with scams. This will open the door for Facebook’s 666 Libra, as the general public will want something that is more “trustworthy”. It’s all doublespeak because the global elite are playing 5D with the sheepeople’s pea-size brains.
The Libra+Bitcoin plan underway is how they consolidate their power over the world into a more firm grip with totalitarian control and tracking over everyone. So they can fully enslave all the sheepeople. Forced chemical lobotomies, forced chemical castration of males, etc.. to reduce the human population to their 500 million goal. This will come in stages over the next few decades.
NSA scans your license plate several times a day to know everywhere you go:
http://web.archive.org/web/20170904230136/https://medium.com/@amuse/did-you-know-that-the-nsa-uses-uber-drivers-and-soccer-moms-to-spy-on-you-d912fe74befd
You guys ostensibly get so enamored with yourselves when you think you’ve rebuked me and think you’ve stated something intelligent, but a person who is more intelligent than you can detect that you’re at the level of 2D checkers and the global elite are playing 5D chess. Do you really think after years of contemplating this that I would overlook such an obvious and simplistic argument as you have just made. If so, you’re not very astute at judging the intellect of others.
If I don’t reply to the next myopic thing you guys post, that doesn’t mean you’ve stated something cogent. It just means you guys are apparently not smart (and open-minded) enough to conceptualize the errors in your logic. And I’m not motivated to continue correcting you forever. If you happen to write something that I think actually pokes a hole in my conceptualization, I will surely acknowledge it if I read it. I’m fair that way.
This is my way of saying, don’t expect more replies. I’ve made my major points already.
Good luck to everyone. I hope some readers have benefited from my effort. Peace.
Why would the global elite create a slow, inefficient, hard to scale, trust-minimized blockchain/financial network, which they can't fully control, to compete with the current "666 system" that the own, and fully control?
For the same reason that Hollywood created the P2P protocol, to pirate their own movies.
Why would the global elite create a slow, inefficient, hard to scale, trust-minimized blockchain/financial network, which they can't fully control, to compete with the current "666 system" that the own, and fully control?
Quote from: infofront
Quote from: Shelby
The global elites have not missed the boat, lol. They created Bitcoin
It seems to me that bitcoin was created by Nick Szabo, probably in conjunction with Hal Finney. What is your reasoning for thinking it was created by the global elites?
I saw that Shelby responded. I'll post it here:
Quote from: Shelby
Satoshi was Not Nick Szabo
Nick Szabo isn’t an adept C++ computer programmer:
https://www.gwern.net/docs/bitcoin/2008-nakamoto
https://github.com/nicksz
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6828582
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3di6zc/nick_szabos_hidden_work/
Szabo has stated he did not create Bitcoin and that he was missing the key insight of employing permissionless, decentralized proof-of-work to elect which nodes participate in the Byzantine agreement consensus for the replication of transaction ledger:
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/05/bitcoin-what-took-ye-so-long.html
Szabo was primarily a legal, history, and economics researcher and theoretician (study his website and blog) and he admits that wasn’t enough to create Bitcoin:
https://twitter.com/nickszabo4/status/977035747713675264
http://web.archive.org/web/20160209085850/http://szabo.best.vwh.net/
And Szabo was not focused on the decentralized facet:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6828435
I also remember that at the convention when Craig Wright pointed out that Bitcoin’s scripting language is Turing-complete, Szabo seemed to be ignorant of this facet of computer science (well ostensibly Gregory Maxwell was also):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13239629
The above linked post was mine and here’s another where I dived into more detailed speculation on the creation of Bitcoin (including the observation that if Satoshi was not protected by the powers-that-be, he would have wanted publicity to protect himself):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13239420
Additionally Szabo asked if someone wanted to help code his bitgold, which was missing the decentralized PoW that makes Bitcoin so revolutionary:
https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/
Yet it is documented that Satoshi seemed to be unaware of Wei Dai until he contacted Adam Back (the source of PoW via hashcash, note Finney also used PoW in his centralized server RPOW):
https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/#comment-129
And Wei Dai says Satoshi was unaware of Szabo until after he contacted Wei:
https://www.gwern.net/docs/bitcoin/2008-nakamoto
There were 3 people who developed the main ideas for Bitcoin other than decentralized PoW, and any hobbyist or academic would have contacted them and admitted being aware of them (people don’t just create shit out-of-the-blue without scouring for prior art and usually getting their inspiration from the prior art):
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6828582
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei_Dai#Relationship_with_Satoshi_Nakamoto
Satoshi was Not Hal Finney
Hal Finney denied being Satoshi and applied much effort to be transparent with the evidence that he was not Satoshi:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/03/25/satoshi-nakamotos-neighbor-the-bitcoin-ghostwriter-who-wasnt/
Hal Finney worked closely with Satoshi at the launch of Bitcoin in January 2009:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/finneynakamotoemails.pdf
Hal Finney’s ALS
The following is highly speculative.
Hal Finney began exhibiting symptoms of ALS in May 2009:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/bshZiaLefDejvPKuS/dying-outside#9uTprDmJSsXJiys3J
The odds of Finney exhibiting symptoms of ALS in May 2009, just 4 months after closely interacting with Satoshi, are astronomically improbable if it was not a premeditated outcome:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180612075358/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4418987.0;all#msg39923901
Finney was in the best shape of his life building up to running marathons:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7jsp0s/one_of_the_last_posts_made_by_hal_finney_on/
The bacteria that causes Lyme disease has been weaponized:
https://www.quora.com/Was-Lyme-disease-invented-by-the-US-government-at-Plum-Island/answer/Sue-Laib
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/lyme-disease-resolving-the-lyme-wars-2018061814071#comment-308648
A variant of that weaponized bacteria may be capable of causing ALS:
https://www.holtorfmed.com/als-another-lyme-related-disease/
https://www.holtorfmed.com/borrelia-burgdorferi-found-in-als-patients/
https://huib.me/en/blog/the-lost-link-between-als-and-lyme-disease/
The following is debunked by the above linked because of the lack of comprehensive testing for Lyme disease in the following study:
https://www.aldf.com/is-there-a-causal-relationship-between-lyme-disease-and-amylotropic-lateral-sclerosis-als/
So why would the creators of Bitcoin want to murder Hal Finney?
Because they knew Finney would take the most interest in Bitcoin due to his work on RPOW as model implementation of Szabo’s bitgold, and most importantly because they knew that when Satoshi swept the 1 MB block size limit under the rug that Finney would be too aware to not notice. And that he would have too much stature in the community and could have caused discord about the blocksize issue much too soon, disrupting Bitcoin’s lead as the sole cryptocurrency with an insurmountable first mover advantage.
In short, because Finney was capable of forking Bitcoin early and making trouble, because he was a true selfless Libertarian cyberpunk:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/meet-hal-finney-man-who-received-first-ever-bitcoin-samuel-falkon
http://www.digitpress.com/library/interviews/interview_hal_finney.html
Bitcoin was designed to be the reserve currency for Facebook Libra when it becomes a global 666 medium-of-exchange. Bitcoin was not designed to scale transaction volume and this fact would have caused lack of exuberance and much contention/forking had it been known too early.
Another evidence that this was premeditated is that Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto lived only blocks away from Hal Finney:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(computer_scientist)#Bitcoin
This symbolism and tribute to their sacrifices at the altar of Moloch are hallmarks of the Zionist-Satanists who run this world:
https://steemit.com/info-wars/@anonymint/debunking-mark-roberts-9-11-disinformation-tactics
https://steemit.com/info-wars/@anonymint/disembarkment-of-the-9-11-passengers
https://steemit.com/info-wars/@anonymint/plane-flyover-explosives-planted-inside-the-pentagon
https://steemit.com/politics/@anonymint/powers-that-be-are-moving-us-towards-world-war-3
https://steemit.com/psychology/@anonymint/you-can-t-handle-the-truth
https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/in-t-h-e-f-t-a-n-d-m-a-s-s-a-c-r-e-s-we-trust
https://steemit.com/politics/@anonymint/israel-s-mossad-did-9-11
https://steemit.com/libra/@anonymint/facebook-s-libra-bitcoin-trump-israel-666-orwellian-dystopia
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@anonymint/secrets-of-bitcoin-s-dystopian-valuation-model
https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/rise-of-hard-money-is-a-harbinger-of-misery
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/are-most-cryptocurrencies-doomed-to-collapse-because-they-re-ico-issued
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/is-monero-s-or-all-anonymity-broken
Gavin appears to be a CIA asset.
And now as the plan appears to be to discredit decentralized cryptocurrency in order to usher in Facebook’s Libra (later to resurrect the legacy, immutable Bitcoin to back Libra with it when they are ready to depreciate the dollar), they have their operative Craig Wright link Bitcoin to a genius drug kingpin:
https://www.wired.com/story/was-bitcoin-created-by-this-international-drug-dealer-maybe/
Links about Finney’s RPOW:
https://cryptome.org/rpow.htm
https://github.com/deosai/rpow
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/finney/rpow/theory.html
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/rpow/
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/finney/rpow/index.html
Nick Szabo isn’t an adept C++ computer programmer:
https://www.gwern.net/docs/bitcoin/2008-nakamoto
https://github.com/nicksz
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6828582
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3di6zc/nick_szabos_hidden_work/
Szabo has stated he did not create Bitcoin and that he was missing the key insight of employing permissionless, decentralized proof-of-work to elect which nodes participate in the Byzantine agreement consensus for the replication of transaction ledger:
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/05/bitcoin-what-took-ye-so-long.html
Szabo was primarily a legal, history, and economics researcher and theoretician (study his website and blog) and he admits that wasn’t enough to create Bitcoin:
https://twitter.com/nickszabo4/status/977035747713675264
http://web.archive.org/web/20160209085850/http://szabo.best.vwh.net/
And Szabo was not focused on the decentralized facet:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6828435
I also remember that at the convention when Craig Wright pointed out that Bitcoin’s scripting language is Turing-complete, Szabo seemed to be ignorant of this facet of computer science (well ostensibly Gregory Maxwell was also):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13239629
The above linked post was mine and here’s another where I dived into more detailed speculation on the creation of Bitcoin (including the observation that if Satoshi was not protected by the powers-that-be, he would have wanted publicity to protect himself):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13239420
Additionally Szabo asked if someone wanted to help code his bitgold, which was missing the decentralized PoW that makes Bitcoin so revolutionary:
https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/
Yet it is documented that Satoshi seemed to be unaware of Wei Dai until he contacted Adam Back (the source of PoW via hashcash, note Finney also used PoW in his centralized server RPOW):
https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/#comment-129
And Wei Dai says Satoshi was unaware of Szabo until after he contacted Wei:
https://www.gwern.net/docs/bitcoin/2008-nakamoto
There were 3 people who developed the main ideas for Bitcoin other than decentralized PoW, and any hobbyist or academic would have contacted them and admitted being aware of them (people don’t just create shit out-of-the-blue without scouring for prior art and usually getting their inspiration from the prior art):
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6828582
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei_Dai#Relationship_with_Satoshi_Nakamoto
Satoshi was Not Hal Finney
Hal Finney denied being Satoshi and applied much effort to be transparent with the evidence that he was not Satoshi:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/03/25/satoshi-nakamotos-neighbor-the-bitcoin-ghostwriter-who-wasnt/
Hal Finney worked closely with Satoshi at the launch of Bitcoin in January 2009:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/finneynakamotoemails.pdf
Hal Finney’s ALS
The following is highly speculative.
Hal Finney began exhibiting symptoms of ALS in May 2009:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/bshZiaLefDejvPKuS/dying-outside#9uTprDmJSsXJiys3J
The odds of Finney exhibiting symptoms of ALS in May 2009, just 4 months after closely interacting with Satoshi, are astronomically improbable if it was not a premeditated outcome:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180612075358/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4418987.0;all#msg39923901
Finney was in the best shape of his life building up to running marathons:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7jsp0s/one_of_the_last_posts_made_by_hal_finney_on/
The bacteria that causes Lyme disease has been weaponized:
https://www.quora.com/Was-Lyme-disease-invented-by-the-US-government-at-Plum-Island/answer/Sue-Laib
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/lyme-disease-resolving-the-lyme-wars-2018061814071#comment-308648
A variant of that weaponized bacteria may be capable of causing ALS:
https://www.holtorfmed.com/als-another-lyme-related-disease/
https://www.holtorfmed.com/borrelia-burgdorferi-found-in-als-patients/
https://huib.me/en/blog/the-lost-link-between-als-and-lyme-disease/
The following is debunked by the above linked because of the lack of comprehensive testing for Lyme disease in the following study:
https://www.aldf.com/is-there-a-causal-relationship-between-lyme-disease-and-amylotropic-lateral-sclerosis-als/
So why would the creators of Bitcoin want to murder Hal Finney?
Because they knew Finney would take the most interest in Bitcoin due to his work on RPOW as model implementation of Szabo’s bitgold, and most importantly because they knew that when Satoshi swept the 1 MB block size limit under the rug that Finney would be too aware to not notice. And that he would have too much stature in the community and could have caused discord about the blocksize issue much too soon, disrupting Bitcoin’s lead as the sole cryptocurrency with an insurmountable first mover advantage.
In short, because Finney was capable of forking Bitcoin early and making trouble, because he was a true selfless Libertarian cyberpunk:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/meet-hal-finney-man-who-received-first-ever-bitcoin-samuel-falkon
http://www.digitpress.com/library/interviews/interview_hal_finney.html
Bitcoin was designed to be the reserve currency for Facebook Libra when it becomes a global 666 medium-of-exchange. Bitcoin was not designed to scale transaction volume and this fact would have caused lack of exuberance and much contention/forking had it been known too early.
Another evidence that this was premeditated is that Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto lived only blocks away from Hal Finney:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(computer_scientist)#Bitcoin
This symbolism and tribute to their sacrifices at the altar of Moloch are hallmarks of the Zionist-Satanists who run this world:
https://steemit.com/info-wars/@anonymint/debunking-mark-roberts-9-11-disinformation-tactics
https://steemit.com/info-wars/@anonymint/disembarkment-of-the-9-11-passengers
https://steemit.com/info-wars/@anonymint/plane-flyover-explosives-planted-inside-the-pentagon
https://steemit.com/politics/@anonymint/powers-that-be-are-moving-us-towards-world-war-3
https://steemit.com/psychology/@anonymint/you-can-t-handle-the-truth
https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/in-t-h-e-f-t-a-n-d-m-a-s-s-a-c-r-e-s-we-trust
https://steemit.com/politics/@anonymint/israel-s-mossad-did-9-11
https://steemit.com/libra/@anonymint/facebook-s-libra-bitcoin-trump-israel-666-orwellian-dystopia
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@anonymint/secrets-of-bitcoin-s-dystopian-valuation-model
https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/rise-of-hard-money-is-a-harbinger-of-misery
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/are-most-cryptocurrencies-doomed-to-collapse-because-they-re-ico-issued
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/is-monero-s-or-all-anonymity-broken
Gavin appears to be a CIA asset.
And now as the plan appears to be to discredit decentralized cryptocurrency in order to usher in Facebook’s Libra (later to resurrect the legacy, immutable Bitcoin to back Libra with it when they are ready to depreciate the dollar), they have their operative Craig Wright link Bitcoin to a genius drug kingpin:
https://www.wired.com/story/was-bitcoin-created-by-this-international-drug-dealer-maybe/
Links about Finney’s RPOW:
https://cryptome.org/rpow.htm
https://github.com/deosai/rpow
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/finney/rpow/theory.html
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/rpow/
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/finney/rpow/index.html
The banned dude contacted me to tell me that the mods deleted Traxo's latest forum post, which had responses to this thread. Apparently some people have been reporting Traxo to the mods, presumably for posting content from a banned person?
The content can be found:
http://web.archive.org/web/20190711051314/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157964.0;all
and
http://archive.is/PfRNC
He said to, "Especially pay attention to the bolded text highlighted in blue color."
The content can be found:
http://web.archive.org/web/20190711051314/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157964.0;all
and
http://archive.is/PfRNC
He said to, "Especially pay attention to the bolded text highlighted in blue color."
Quote from: Shelby
c) You are failing to map out the mechanics of how such a hard forking off by Core will proceed. First the price will be pushed very high right before the halving. Thus the difficulty will be skyhigh. Then Craig will dump 1 million BTC on the market crashing the price as the halving occurs, thus causing the Core chain to win a block maybe every few hours or longer delays. The Core chain will slow down so much that miners can not earn any rewards there. You are very dumb person. You do not even think out the details of things. Whereas, the legacy chain will be humming along and providing donations booty. Also Craig will have amassed a $billion or more from shorting and from preloading airdropped Core shitcoins on the exchanges for dumping to Tether. So then he can buy legacy BTC on OTC exchanges with Tether providing income for miners who mine legacy.
Craig Wright owns 1 million Bitcoins? Or allegedly?
Shower thought. Knowing that Craig Wright will "dump millions", would it be possible for the miners to censor Craig Wright's transactions because "game theory"? Acting in their own self-interest, and the whole network's self-interests.
What would be more rational?
Quote
I'd like to just respond to one point (if he's still reading this thread):
Quote from: Shelby
The global elites have not missed the boat, lol. They created Bitcoin
It seems to me that bitcoin was created by Nick Szabo, probably in conjunction with Hal Finney. What is your reasoning for thinking it was created by the global elites?
Additional question for him, but do the global elites OWN the network?
The banned dude contacted me to tell me that the mods deleted Traxo's latest forum post, which had responses to this thread. Apparently some people have been reporting Traxo to the mods, presumably for posting content from a banned person?
The content can be found:
http://web.archive.org/web/20190711051314/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157964.0;all
and
http://archive.is/PfRNC
He said to, "Especially pay attention to the bolded text highlighted in blue color."
I'd like to just respond to one point (if he's still reading this thread):
It seems to me that bitcoin was created by Nick Szabo, probably in conjunction with Hal Finney. What is your reasoning for thinking it was created by the global elites?
The content can be found:
http://web.archive.org/web/20190711051314/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157964.0;all
and
http://archive.is/PfRNC
He said to, "Especially pay attention to the bolded text highlighted in blue color."
I'd like to just respond to one point (if he's still reading this thread):
Quote from: Shelby
The global elites have not missed the boat, lol. They created Bitcoin
It seems to me that bitcoin was created by Nick Szabo, probably in conjunction with Hal Finney. What is your reasoning for thinking it was created by the global elites?
Is that it? That's your debate? That didn't answer the question. But what rational exchange would give your apocalypse-coin, the chain which miners can STEAL Segwit outputs, the BTC ticker?
You do not reason, that my rebuttal implies also that the assignment of a ticker symbol and other forms of politicized optics is irrelevant.
But how is it irrelevant? Because you said it was irrelevant? That's not very relevant.
Hundreds? Can you name some of them? I believe there's none.
I won’t allow you to waste my time with your apparent ignorance of the s/w industry. Believe whatever you want to believe.
Somehow China, Russia, USA, Japan can send satellites into outer-space but you think only a few guys on this planet can write software and incorporate cryptography.
My ignorance? Or do you simply do not have an answer?
If "the global elites", who've completely missed the boat on bitcoin so far, come to realize its inevitability as a primary global reserve asset, this gives them a way to get a large piece of the pie.
this route seems far from a slam dunk. it actually sounds downright stupid tbh. there's no empirical evidence suggesting it'll work. in fact, it seems to go in the face of our past experiences with miner-backed forks, which have only been broadly ignored and ridiculed by the market.
i guess we're just supposed to trust that "this time is different"? as you probably know, that's a dangerous assumption with bitcoin!
if the elites really want in, why not go the traditional route of using derivatives to suppress prices, like the gold market? that might allow them to accumulate cheap for years, which is one of the reasons i'm suspicious about bakkt's entry into the market.
That is, he supports the status quo, since he (apparently) wants the "global elites" to control it, to justify his conspiracy theories.
Yes, he begins his analysis from the assumptions that a) "the global elite" are guaranteed to succeed in co-opting Bitcoin and b) Segwit outputs are the focal point of Bitcoin game theory. He can't establish a basis for these assumptions, logically nor historically. He just insists it must be this way.
He doesn't bother to address the lack of any market demand for his proposed fork, nor the lack of users on his proposed network. He doesn't reconcile the irrelevance of obscure hard forks nobody on the Bitcoin network can even see. He just assumes "the global elite" will back his fork and then corner the market, and therefore that all the pieces will fall into place.
You dont need to read his walltexts, this paragraph above already sums it all up. We will have a massive worldwide dystopia and there will be nowhere to run. Bitcoin is no safe haven, on the contrary, its the mouth of the beast ready to swallow you. Sell all your stash before its too late.
Thats why I dont have patience discussing with /pol/tards. Every conspiracy theory is a dead end. I believe they do it on purpose to make you feel helpless and then throw it all away. Its elaborated defeatism. Thats why I classify this as heavy FUD, the kind of which make R0ach's posts looks like child's play.
Thats why I dont have patience discussing with /pol/tards. Every conspiracy theory is a dead end. I believe they do it on purpose to make you feel helpless and then throw it all away. Its elaborated defeatism. Thats why I classify this as heavy FUD, the kind of which make R0ach's posts looks like child's play.
Shelby's whole theory is just a slight variation on every other conspiracy theory where "the global elite" control everything in the world and we are helpless to stop them.
He's literally launching into tirades about Israel conspiracies and Biblical symbolism and acting like these are legitimate "facts" relevant to Bitcoin. He's presenting Biblical passages as if they are proof of his deranged theories. Here's a snippit from his last article about Bitcoin:
Quote from: Shelby
It’s not the selfless, superrational, anti-harlotry Jews who will be spit out of the Lord’s mouth, but instead those unrepentant who are the aforementioned 9/11 and JFK-assassination mafia that is leading the world into the Great Harlot. Plus all those who reject Jesus to (even unconsciously or unwittingly) follow the Satanists.
Who are the powerful evil doers behind the curtain?
Not run-of-the-mill, banana-republic kingpins such as Calder-Le Roux. There are the significant, more visible, anti-Christian underlings such as Summers, Soros, Zelikow, Mueller, Clintons, LBJ, James A. Donald, Bush, Cheney, more PNAC’s such as Bolton, etc.. But more importantly there’s also those unnamed in the inner circle who are pulling the strings behind the CIA, Mossad, and MI6.
Who are the powerful evil doers behind the curtain?
Not run-of-the-mill, banana-republic kingpins such as Calder-Le Roux. There are the significant, more visible, anti-Christian underlings such as Summers, Soros, Zelikow, Mueller, Clintons, LBJ, James A. Donald, Bush, Cheney, more PNAC’s such as Bolton, etc.. But more importantly there’s also those unnamed in the inner circle who are pulling the strings behind the CIA, Mossad, and MI6.
This stuff is pure gold.
Basic point here but isnt discussion of alternative crypto and forked coins for another forum section, does the tail wag the dog and we should think the secondary derivatives are to determine BTC direction. I hope all the various protocols compete on the obvious utility requirement and who does it best, a far less convoluted argument then anything underhand just is it more efficient etc.
I'm posting because I have a similar chart, the 2017 trend is the same I drew (back in 2017). I posted an old chart like that recently and thought it could lead to a similar top pricing for this move, so we agree on that possible scenario at least. I didnt have the 8000 as so significant or relating historically like that, seems to fit some
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I'm posting because I have a similar chart, the 2017 trend is the same I drew (back in 2017). I posted an old chart like that recently and thought it could lead to a similar top pricing for this move, so we agree on that possible scenario at least. I didnt have the 8000 as so significant or relating historically like that, seems to fit some
Right now, bitcoin is mostly owned by us plebs. That's why Shelby was referring to the power law distribution of wealth. The state of bitcoin holders is temporarily in violation of natural economic laws while the plebs are in control. The segwit booty theft, and subsequent dump of core BTC for The Real Bitcoin, would shift the balance so as to be in agreement with the power law distribution of wealth.
That is, he supports the status quo, since he (apparently) wants the "global elites" to control it, to justify his conspiracy theories. Even if we hold in legacy addresses, we will not have any use case for it, nor we will be able to sell it, as the market will have died due to the massive Segwit theft. Only these so-called "elites" will have access to very obscure OTC markets. In fact, bitcoin will be dead as a P2P, decentralized project, and will be replaced by a global currency, controlled by a world government, extremely centralized and with the possibility of being easily confiscated at the whim of bureaucrats.
You dont need to read his walltexts, this paragraph above already sums it all up. We will have a massive worldwide dystopia and there will be nowhere to run. Bitcoin is no safe haven, on the contrary, its the mouth of the beast ready to swallow you. Sell all your stash before its too late.
Thats why I dont have patience discussing with /pol/tards. Every conspiracy theory is a dead end. I believe they do it on purpose to make you feel helpless and then throw it all away. Its elaborated defeatism. Thats why I classify this as heavy FUD, the kind of which make R0ach's posts looks like child's play.
Anything is possible in an existential sense. Why would you consider this quite possible? Nobody, least of all Shelby, has established why this would happen. It's completely out of left field and is basically just a desperate attempt on Shelby's part to wave away the fact that nobody would ever buy this shitcoin.
If "the global elites" were going to back a shitcoin, why would they ever land on this one?
If "the global elites" were going to back a shitcoin, why would they ever land on this one?
If "the global elites", who've completely missed the boat on bitcoin so far, come to realize its inevitability as a primary global reserve asset, this gives them a way to get a large piece of the pie.
This line of thinking suggests "the global elites" could accumulate worthless rocks and replace the entirety of gold money with their rocks, just on their say-so. It doesn't work like that. The value of gold derives from global faith in its value. Elites seek to accumulate what the rest of the world values, otherwise they have no spendable wealth. They can't just will value into existence. They would need to fool the world into buying shitcoins in a market they cornered. How? People are dumb, but they aren't that dumb.
So I get that they may want a way to accumulate BTC. But how does this plan actually accomplish that?
Right now, bitcoin is mostly owned by us plebs. That's why Shelby was referring to the power law distribution of wealth. The state of bitcoin holders is temporarily in violation of natural economic laws while the plebs are in control.
Bitcoin may represent a massive transfer of wealth. Wealth distribution may reflect a power law relationship but that doesn't mean the elites of today will be the elites of tomorrow.
As for why they'd back "The Real Bitcoin", it's because only Bitcoin has unforgeable costliness. There are literally no other options besides Bitcoin.
Could you please elaborate? This is not self-evident.
Furthermore, you can't demonstrate conclusively that we're not at a Nash equilibrium currently. The linchpin of your entire theory is based on pure speculation that powerful elites will flood into TRB.
I'll publicly state that this is quite possible, but far from a certainty.
I'll publicly state that this is quite possible, but far from a certainty.
Anything is possible in an existential sense. Why would you consider this quite possible? Nobody, least of all Shelby, has established why this would happen. It's completely out of left field and is basically just a desperate attempt on Shelby's part to wave away the fact that nobody would ever buy this shitcoin.
If "the global elites" were going to back a shitcoin, why would they ever land on this one?
If "the global elites", who've completely missed the boat on bitcoin so far, come to realize its inevitability as a primary global reserve asset, this gives them a way to get a large piece of the pie.
Right now, bitcoin is mostly owned by us plebs. That's why Shelby was referring to the power law distribution of wealth. The state of bitcoin holders is temporarily in violation of natural economic laws while the plebs are in control. The segwit booty theft, and subsequent dump of core BTC for The Real Bitcoin, would shift the balance so as to be in agreement with the power law distribution of wealth.
As for why they'd back "The Real Bitcoin", it's because only Bitcoin has unforgeable costliness. There are literally no other options besides Bitcoin.
I truly wonder when Shelby last saw natural sunlight. 
He's trying to use unfamiliar terms, insults, and text walls to bombard naive readers. Anyone who understands logic and debate can see he hasn't remotely proven anything except his perpetual intellectual dishonesty.
His whole theory is based on the following "facts":
"There is a $100+ billion booty for taking"
The "Segwit donation booty" is only valid on an obscure fork nobody can see. Shelby offers zero rational logic or past market history that suggests an obscure shitcoin fork invisible to the entire network will have any relevance.
The Segwit2x and Bitcoin Cash fiascos are strong proof that miners are completely impotent in facilitating unwanted consensus change. Yet he continues to assert the entire market will nonsensically value the miner hard fork chain rather than Bitcoin. Based on what? Nothing but the delusions in his head about "the global elite."
"The global elite will buy 'The Real Bitcoin' not Core Bitcon!"
We'll fast forward past the reptilian alien and one-world government conspiracy stuff for now.
Shelby believes (I shit you not) the global elite have an elaborate plan to back his obscure shitcoin fork. This is an obscure fork with hardly any existing nodes, with literally handfuls of users. It's an idea he cooked up in his mom's basement. He bizarrely thinks some miners pointing hash rate at his fork (which is incredibly unlikely as it is) will magically make his shitcoin into "Bitcoin."
He tragically misunderstands markets. Bizarrely, he believes:
a) miners would risk their profitable Bitcoin mining operations to mine a fork with no users
b) miners can remove consensus rules (incompatible hard fork) and the hard fork chain will magically retain 100% of Bitcoin's market value
c) miners would not react to the worthless mining rewards on the hard fork chain and would keep mining it
d) the "global elite" will buy his shitcoin into the millions because, you guessed it, miners.
He apparently thinks Bitcoin's value is purely determined by hash rate and that miners are the only relevant actors. There is no concept of "market demand" to be seen in his theory. There is no rational reason why anyone (retail investors, institutions, or "the global elite") would buy these shitcoins. Yet he thinks they will just magically have value.
Anything is possible in an existential sense. Why would you consider this quite possible? Nobody, least of all Shelby, has established why this would happen. It's completely out of left field and is basically just a desperate attempt on Shelby's part to wave away the fact that nobody would ever buy this shitcoin.
If "the global elites" were going to back a shitcoin, why would they ever land on this one?
He's trying to use unfamiliar terms, insults, and text walls to bombard naive readers. Anyone who understands logic and debate can see he hasn't remotely proven anything except his perpetual intellectual dishonesty.
His whole theory is based on the following "facts":
"There is a $100+ billion booty for taking"
The "Segwit donation booty" is only valid on an obscure fork nobody can see. Shelby offers zero rational logic or past market history that suggests an obscure shitcoin fork invisible to the entire network will have any relevance.
The Segwit2x and Bitcoin Cash fiascos are strong proof that miners are completely impotent in facilitating unwanted consensus change. Yet he continues to assert the entire market will nonsensically value the miner hard fork chain rather than Bitcoin. Based on what? Nothing but the delusions in his head about "the global elite."
"The global elite will buy 'The Real Bitcoin' not Core Bitcon!"
We'll fast forward past the reptilian alien and one-world government conspiracy stuff for now.
Shelby believes (I shit you not) the global elite have an elaborate plan to back his obscure shitcoin fork. This is an obscure fork with hardly any existing nodes, with literally handfuls of users. It's an idea he cooked up in his mom's basement. He bizarrely thinks some miners pointing hash rate at his fork (which is incredibly unlikely as it is) will magically make his shitcoin into "Bitcoin."
He tragically misunderstands markets. Bizarrely, he believes:
a) miners would risk their profitable Bitcoin mining operations to mine a fork with no users
b) miners can remove consensus rules (incompatible hard fork) and the hard fork chain will magically retain 100% of Bitcoin's market value
c) miners would not react to the worthless mining rewards on the hard fork chain and would keep mining it
d) the "global elite" will buy his shitcoin into the millions because, you guessed it, miners.
He apparently thinks Bitcoin's value is purely determined by hash rate and that miners are the only relevant actors. There is no concept of "market demand" to be seen in his theory. There is no rational reason why anyone (retail investors, institutions, or "the global elite") would buy these shitcoins. Yet he thinks they will just magically have value.
Furthermore, you can't demonstrate conclusively that we're not at a Nash equilibrium currently. The linchpin of your entire theory is based on pure speculation that powerful elites will flood into TRB.
I'll publicly state that this is quite possible, but far from a certainty.
I'll publicly state that this is quite possible, but far from a certainty.
Anything is possible in an existential sense. Why would you consider this quite possible? Nobody, least of all Shelby, has established why this would happen. It's completely out of left field and is basically just a desperate attempt on Shelby's part to wave away the fact that nobody would ever buy this shitcoin.
If "the global elites" were going to back a shitcoin, why would they ever land on this one?
Quote from: Shelby
There’s no FUD. And I didn't advocate anyone selling BTC just because of this. I advocated hodling in Legacy addresses.
There is. The entire intent of this thread is of a evil purpose.
You didn't advocate for selling, but that is what will happen in this scenario, it will cause outright panic in the market. People will sell fearing for their money, even if they are holding in legacy addresses. The code will be put into question, PoW will be discredited. Exchanges will close, and even if legacy bitcoin goes to one million, there will be no place to sell it, and there will be no use case for it. In other words, bitcoin will be dead. Only this so-called "elite" will be able to sell it, into their obscure OTC clubs, which bring us to the conspiracy theory stuff.
I've already had my share with internet conspiracy theorists, and today I dont have any more patience to discuss these retarded theories. Here in the forum we have a resident /pol/tard, R0ach. But R0ach is entertainment, you are not, as there is a clearly twisted intent in your words. So Im putting you and the messenger on ignore. You can continue with your walltexts and name-calling, I dont give a fuck. Have a nice day.
Here is another response I found:
Here is my opinion. You are free to have your own opinion. And one of us will be correct. I dare you to store your BTC in SegWit addresses that begin with a 3 if you have conviction about your opinion. Put your money where your mouth is, I certainly am.
I'm keeping all my BTC in legacy addresses. I've advised others to do the same. However, I'd estimate there's only something like a 10-15% chance that the booty will ever be taken.
As I have stated in private (and I believe also public?) communications, I don’t have absolute confidence about the timing. Craig Wright has ostensibly promised to initiate the attack at halving on May 2020 (although Craig is apparently obscuring the restoration of Satoshi’s immutable Bitcoin as something benefiting BSV which is not immutable, because ostensibly Craig’s role is to scam everyone, including everyone investing in BSV). And given a $100 – 400 billion booty (depending on BTC price in May 2020 and whether the current 6 million BTC in SegWit addresses increases), I posit they could (as @jbreher alluded to when he mentioned Ayre’s SQR is a customer of at least Samsung) afford to increase their extant 3% of the network hashrate (which perhaps is already sufficient to initiate the attack since miners will be incentivized in snowball effect to switch from Core to donations taking) possibly monopolizing (i.e. buy all of) the ASIC production for SHA256 for a considerable period of time (to make it sure they have enough monopoly on spare hashrate to annihilate Core … a detailed discussion of the mechanics is omitted for the time being so as to keep this discussion concise).
Yet I do have nearly absolute confidence about the SegWit donations taking coming to fruition eventually because the (eventually $trillions if not taken soon) booty removes the Nash equilibrium because until it is taken nobody can be sure whether their spends will not be rolled back, i.e. that the miners could begin the restoration “attack” at any time and nobody can know when (the initial stage of the donations taking will be surreptitious so the planners can get their free air-dropped Core shitcoins separated and loaded onto to exchanges for dumping to Tether and for bankrupting the exchanges which hodl in SegWit addresses).
And AFAICS, the May 2020 halving is the ideal/optimum confluence of timing for all the reasons I have already stated in this thread and the other threads which are cited in this thread.
So I guesstimate the odds of the attack at the May 2020 halving at no less than 20 – 33% (only low because I lack time to investigate and because Craig is not the most reliable person around) and I’m leaning higher than that, although I don’t have enough time to research and keep tabs on Craig and his group. If I really wanted more conviction on the timing and I had a lot at stake, I could investigate more, but my opportunity cost is too great. I have other important things to do.
My speculative narrative tying this into posited global-elite “666” plans for a Facebook’s Libra, is that Craig is purposefully appearing to be a loon and also a scammer. This is necessary in my narrative to turn the public towards Libra and away from decentralized cryptocurrency from 2020 forward after the SegWit restoration of Bitcoin potentially decimates the cryptocosm for some years.
Or you're just too emotionally and/or egotistically (as your link above would imply) invested in your narrative to see or acknowledge other possibilities.
It’s not egotistical to attempt to objectively identify what distinguishes genius. I’m not claiming I’m genius or significantly so. I know my limitations.
Emotional? My use of terms such as “fucktard” is because I am so exasperated that sheepeople are unable to assimilate information. And that sheepeople are so easily fooled because they do not reason coherently. The following linked blog post explains the taxonomy of mental errors that most people make and which you are also (apparently?) making here in this post of yours:
http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-piss-me-the-fuck-off-a-guide/
For example, the inkblot of assigning ego to my linked attempt to understand what distinguishes genius. Or your mislabeling as “emotion” that which is actually exasperation+exhaustion of explaining the same points over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over again (and just balancing the rhetoric against those who started the discussion by referring to me as a “nutjob”).
Btw, I should not even bother writing here, but I do it because I care and because when I am proven correct later, it will raise my status amongst those who notice and I will hopefully get more respect and cooperation as a result, at least from those awake enough to realize/discriminate. Also because the cryptocosm has been good to me, and thus I have a duty to return something back to the community. This is my Weberian cultural values, being that I am a Hajnal line Western Christian. Also given I was raised in the South, I have particular sense of allegiance to honorable virtues. Also because my ancestor was Isaac Shelby.
Some things are actually 99.9% certain. For example it is 99.9% certain that all of us will die. So it’s another inkblot to start off with a premise that anyone who claims high degree of certitude or conviction is necessarily incorrect. It’s as if you’re trying to apply an aphorism that isn’t always true. Your “red flag” indicator is not an 100% automatic implication of falsehood or even low likelihood (low likelihood for a large sample of such tests yes, but each test has the small potential to have a high variance). You must apply a lot of effort to determine if your red flag test represents a valid case or not. Lazy aphorisms will not suffice.
A more pertinent example here and addressing your strawman of “moving parts” would be our recent private discussion of the future politics in the USA. While there are many moving parts, we can conclude with near certainty that because of inertia that can’t be undone or compensated for quickly enough, the U.S.A. will trend towards the Millennials’ philosophical preferences (formed in their youth) after the Silent Generation is all dead and the Millennials have matured enough to vote en masse circa 2032.
Further to the strawman of “moving parts”, our human bodies are remarkably complex, yet I can predict that I will not fall down the stairs tonight when I descend to the dinner table. Entropy does not work the way you are postulating. Nature is amazingly complex, yet I can be fairly certain that the Sun will rise tomorrow and that there will be oxygen in the bedroom when I open the entrance door.
Basically what you’re admitting is that you’re blinded by complexity you can’t/haven’t reasoned about/through, thus you can’t/don’t see any coherent, absolutely convincing reasoning on the issue. I.e. you see only too many moving parts wherein a smarter or more diligently studious person may assimilate a pattern+model. Thus you apparently default back to (manipulated/politicized) optics as your basis for what will happen, which is a very aggravating mental error that most people make. If sheepeople can’t understand something, they substitute shortcuts to console themselves.
Sheepeople are herded animals. When they can’t make holistic sense something directly, they look at the arses of the other sheepeople or any other mystical sign (which is why the masses are so dangerous). IOW, they grasp at strings as you have ostensibly done by “you can not possibly be correct, because (too complex and) you are too certain of our convictions, therefore it must be ego and emotion clouding your reasoning.”
That is not logic. That is aliasing error, witch craft or voodoo. If you’ve seen other idiots slobbering nonsense with “conviction” in this world, please don’t presume I’m as sloppy in my analysis as they are. You must actually dissect my arguments and reasoning, which so far I have not seen you do to any extensive level.
The uber wealthy are above the law. The law is for enslaving sheepeople. My gosh you folks live in some fantasy which does not exist. Please try to come back in touch with reality.
Virtually no one with any power has a significant amount of bitcoin.
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Quote from: anonymous wrote in email
We differ when we get to opportunity cost. As in, I don't think it's likely that there is one.
BTC can't be dumped for TRB because TRB will be blacklisted from any and every legitimate exchange and OTC broker. The few shady Chinese exchanges that may list it won't have any liquidity. Similarly, the Etherum DAO "attacker" couldn't spend his ETH anywhere. Hell, CSW sued a few people around the twitterverse and several of the largest exchanges delisted BSV. How much worse shape will TRB be in when the authorities declare segwit booty coins to all be considered stolen property?
Also, it would be much too risky, legally. People would go to jail or get killed for taking the booty. With the booty stolen, major exchanges would lose money, banks would lose money, oligarchs would lose money, nation states would lose money. Those people are the elite, and they would absolutely crush any miners who stole from them.
Besides all of that, it would be a PR nightmare. No one would trust the miners and TRB chain anymore. If the miners could collaborate to steal the segwit booty, they could also collaborate to start double spending on it at any point.
BTC can't be dumped for TRB because TRB will be blacklisted from any and every legitimate exchange and OTC broker. The few shady Chinese exchanges that may list it won't have any liquidity. Similarly, the Etherum DAO "attacker" couldn't spend his ETH anywhere. Hell, CSW sued a few people around the twitterverse and several of the largest exchanges delisted BSV. How much worse shape will TRB be in when the authorities declare segwit booty coins to all be considered stolen property?
Also, it would be much too risky, legally. People would go to jail or get killed for taking the booty. With the booty stolen, major exchanges would lose money, banks would lose money, oligarchs would lose money, nation states would lose money. Those people are the elite, and they would absolutely crush any miners who stole from them.
Besides all of that, it would be a PR nightmare. No one would trust the miners and TRB chain anymore. If the miners could collaborate to steal the segwit booty, they could also collaborate to start double spending on it at any point.
Here is my opinion. You are free to have your own opinion. And one of us will be correct. I dare you to store your BTC in SegWit addresses that begin with a 3 if you have conviction about your opinion. Put your money where your mouth is, I certainly am.
I'm keeping all my BTC in legacy addresses. I've advised others to do the same. However, I'd estimate there's only something like a 10-15% chance that the booty will ever be taken.
As I have stated in private (and I believe also public?) communications, I don’t have absolute confidence about the timing. Craig Wright has ostensibly promised to initiate the attack at halving on May 2020 (although Craig is apparently obscuring the restoration of Satoshi’s immutable Bitcoin as something benefiting BSV which is not immutable, because ostensibly Craig’s role is to scam everyone, including everyone investing in BSV). And given a $100 – 400 billion booty (depending on BTC price in May 2020 and whether the current 6 million BTC in SegWit addresses increases), I posit they could (as @jbreher alluded to when he mentioned Ayre’s SQR is a customer of at least Samsung) afford to increase their extant 3% of the network hashrate (which perhaps is already sufficient to initiate the attack since miners will be incentivized in snowball effect to switch from Core to donations taking) possibly monopolizing (i.e. buy all of) the ASIC production for SHA256 for a considerable period of time (to make it sure they have enough monopoly on spare hashrate to annihilate Core … a detailed discussion of the mechanics is omitted for the time being so as to keep this discussion concise).
Yet I do have nearly absolute confidence about the SegWit donations taking coming to fruition eventually because the (eventually $trillions if not taken soon) booty removes the Nash equilibrium because until it is taken nobody can be sure whether their spends will not be rolled back, i.e. that the miners could begin the restoration “attack” at any time and nobody can know when (the initial stage of the donations taking will be surreptitious so the planners can get their free air-dropped Core shitcoins separated and loaded onto to exchanges for dumping to Tether and for bankrupting the exchanges which hodl in SegWit addresses).
And AFAICS, the May 2020 halving is the ideal/optimum confluence of timing for all the reasons I have already stated in this thread and the other threads which are cited in this thread.
So I guesstimate the odds of the attack at the May 2020 halving at no less than 20 – 33% (only low because I lack time to investigate and because Craig is not the most reliable person around) and I’m leaning higher than that, although I don’t have enough time to research and keep tabs on Craig and his group. If I really wanted more conviction on the timing and I had a lot at stake, I could investigate more, but my opportunity cost is too great. I have other important things to do.
My speculative narrative tying this into posited global-elite “666” plans for a Facebook’s Libra, is that Craig is purposefully appearing to be a loon and also a scammer. This is necessary in my narrative to turn the public towards Libra and away from decentralized cryptocurrency from 2020 forward after the SegWit restoration of Bitcoin potentially decimates the cryptocosm for some years.
Quote from: Shelby
I have a strong opinion which will seem quite judgmental. Unfortunately like most people you are apparently easily fooled by manipulated optics and not able to drill down to fundamental generative essence economics and game theory. Most people are prone to a delusion that reality is that which is openly visible. It’s some sort of carryover from our evolution in our ancestral environment. We are still very much herding animals, so easy to be fooled like sheep.
Essence of Genius
Essence of Genius
Or you're just too emotionally and/or egotistically (as your link above would imply) invested in your narrative to see or acknowledge other possibilities.
It’s not egotistical to attempt to objectively identify what distinguishes genius. I’m not claiming I’m genius or significantly so. I know my limitations.
Emotional? My use of terms such as “fucktard” is because I am so exasperated that sheepeople are unable to assimilate information. And that sheepeople are so easily fooled because they do not reason coherently. The following linked blog post explains the taxonomy of mental errors that most people make and which you are also (apparently?) making here in this post of yours:
http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-piss-me-the-fuck-off-a-guide/
For example, the inkblot of assigning ego to my linked attempt to understand what distinguishes genius. Or your mislabeling as “emotion” that which is actually exasperation+exhaustion of explaining the same points over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over again (and just balancing the rhetoric against those who started the discussion by referring to me as a “nutjob”).
Btw, I should not even bother writing here, but I do it because I care and because when I am proven correct later, it will raise my status amongst those who notice and I will hopefully get more respect and cooperation as a result, at least from those awake enough to realize/discriminate. Also because the cryptocosm has been good to me, and thus I have a duty to return something back to the community. This is my Weberian cultural values, being that I am a Hajnal line Western Christian. Also given I was raised in the South, I have particular sense of allegiance to honorable virtues. Also because my ancestor was Isaac Shelby.
Whenever someone says that something is 100% certain to happen, that sends up a huge, red flag. When it's something like the segwit booty being claimed by miners, there are two many moving parts and variables, some known and some unknown, to draw a certain conclusion.
Some things are actually 99.9% certain. For example it is 99.9% certain that all of us will die. So it’s another inkblot to start off with a premise that anyone who claims high degree of certitude or conviction is necessarily incorrect. It’s as if you’re trying to apply an aphorism that isn’t always true. Your “red flag” indicator is not an 100% automatic implication of falsehood or even low likelihood (low likelihood for a large sample of such tests yes, but each test has the small potential to have a high variance). You must apply a lot of effort to determine if your red flag test represents a valid case or not. Lazy aphorisms will not suffice.
A more pertinent example here and addressing your strawman of “moving parts” would be our recent private discussion of the future politics in the USA. While there are many moving parts, we can conclude with near certainty that because of inertia that can’t be undone or compensated for quickly enough, the U.S.A. will trend towards the Millennials’ philosophical preferences (formed in their youth) after the Silent Generation is all dead and the Millennials have matured enough to vote en masse circa 2032.
Further to the strawman of “moving parts”, our human bodies are remarkably complex, yet I can predict that I will not fall down the stairs tonight when I descend to the dinner table. Entropy does not work the way you are postulating. Nature is amazingly complex, yet I can be fairly certain that the Sun will rise tomorrow and that there will be oxygen in the bedroom when I open the entrance door.
Basically what you’re admitting is that you’re blinded by complexity you can’t/haven’t reasoned about/through, thus you can’t/don’t see any coherent, absolutely convincing reasoning on the issue. I.e. you see only too many moving parts wherein a smarter or more diligently studious person may assimilate a pattern+model. Thus you apparently default back to (manipulated/politicized) optics as your basis for what will happen, which is a very aggravating mental error that most people make. If sheepeople can’t understand something, they substitute shortcuts to console themselves.
Sheepeople are herded animals. When they can’t make holistic sense something directly, they look at the arses of the other sheepeople or any other mystical sign (which is why the masses are so dangerous). IOW, they grasp at strings as you have ostensibly done by “you can not possibly be correct, because (too complex and) you are too certain of our convictions, therefore it must be ego and emotion clouding your reasoning.”
That is not logic. That is aliasing error, witch craft or voodoo. If you’ve seen other idiots slobbering nonsense with “conviction” in this world, please don’t presume I’m as sloppy in my analysis as they are. You must actually dissect my arguments and reasoning, which so far I have not seen you do to any extensive level.
“Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws”
The uber wealthy are above the law. The law is for enslaving sheepeople. My gosh you folks live in some fantasy which does not exist. Please try to come back in touch with reality.
Virtually no one with any power has a significant amount of bitcoin.
Apologies but I must be frank and state that’s presumptuous nonsense that fails to consider the known facts of Bitcoin and our physical universe.
Power relative to Bitcoin or power in the world-at-large? The latter is the only claim that could possibly have any chance of being correct, and it would be irrelevant to our discussion. It’s only the economic majority of Bitcoin that matters w.r.t. to a hard fork war (i.e. when the miners start taking the generous, noble, appreciated “please-protect-Bitcoin’s-security-and-Nash-equilibrium” donations).
Where did you get this idea? We have for example the trilema.com dude with at least 500,000 BTC. We have Ayre with 3% of the Bitcoin network hashrate. We have the Winklevoss twins. We have countries such as Bulgaria and Russia reportedly accumulating large stakes.
Also how would you know who controls the 18 million BTC already minted?
Most importantly there is unequivocal proof that you’re both incorrect and not very astute on this point. The power-law distribution of wealth (and of any fungible resource) in an inviolable phenomenon of nature. Someone would have to be very, very dumb to assume the power-law distribution does not apply to Bitcoin. I assume you’re not dumb, so this is probably just your failing to assimilate all the known factors.
Perhaps what you meant to imply is that no one powerful enough relative to the world-at-large, but that would be irrelevant to a fork war which only requires the decision of the economic majority of Bitcoin, not necessarily the powerful that control the world. Nevertheless $100 – 400 billion of booty (and probably growing) is probably significant enough to powerful in the realm of the world-at-large.
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Additionally there’s no law which prevents miners from obeying the immutable protocol. Where did you dream up this illegality nonsense? Cryptocurrency is not banking. There are no consumer protection laws. It is really amazing to me that you would make such a mistake in your thought process.
You're thinking like a computer scientist and not like a bureaucrat.
No I am actually saying AFAIK there is no law (nor jurisprudence) on the books for example in the U.S.A. that could be applied against miners. Miners mine which ever proof-of-work blockchain and fork they want to mine. It’s a free market activity. Some miners switch blockchains often according to where they compute they can earn the most return-on-investment. If they choose to mine Satoshi’s protocol, that is not illegal. If fools donate their BTC to “anyone can spend” incentivizing the miners to mine on Satoshi’s protocol to restore the Nash equilibrium and thus (restoring) the security of the longest chain, then AFAICS the miners are doing a perfectly legal and absolutely honorable action.
What do idiots deserve when they have willingly misconfigured their clients and spend their BTC to UTXO which have signatures which are unrecognizable in the Satoshi protocol. It will be hilarious if anyone tries to take a miner to court (assuming they can even identify any miners given that proof-of-work enables miners to be anonymous). I believe any reasonable judge will throw such a nonsense case out of court for lack of grounds for case.
The Bitcoin protocol makes no legal guarantees about which “soft fork” the miners will follow. Only idiots who have no training in law, think that Core’s political deceptions bind legal obligations to miners.
Even common law would be enough to prosecute miners for defrauding thousands of people.
Please cite such jurisprudence? Miners are not defrauding anyone. Everyone with SegWit 3 addresses will still have their tokens in the Core protocol, after it hard forks off from the Satoshi protocol at that juncture. Why should miners be obligated to give them Satoshi protocol tokens which the miners expend hashrate and risk to obtain, at the juncture when the Satoshi miners restore Bitcoin’s immutability and Nash equilibrium by forcing the Core scam to fork (and fuck) off?
Core is the one who deceived the users implying that a “soft fork” with signaling is a guaranteed thing. No. If Core wanted to prevent such a booty, power vacuum and hole in the Nash equilibrium from accruing, they could have instead hardforked off as BCH and BSV did, but of course Core preferred a political power vacuum, because they know damn well that a hardfork would have rendered Core as shitcoins because everyone sells the free airdrop from hard forks. Also because this entire “anyone can spend” and Core political “soft fork” was premeditated before Bitcoin was even launched. Go read what Satoshi wrote. He knew damn well what he enabled. The global elite have had this masterfully planned out. Do you not realize there are human beings on this earth with IQ above 200. Do you not understand that these individuals can reason out complexity that even you and I would have great difficulty fathoming in advance.
The court will look at the facts and realize that the miners have done nothing illegal and that users had freewill. Users can store in Legacy 1 addresses if they want to retain their Satoshi protocol tokens and receive a free airdrop of Core tokens at the hardfork off.
Do you really believe this nonsense you are spewing? I can’t even believe this was written by the same guy I have been communicating with lately. I had developed a lot of respect for you. I frankly believe you are just extremely naive about this issue. I have been studying this and thinking about it for year(s).
My father was a high powered attorney (was West Coast Division Head Attorney for Exxon in the 1980s and early 1990s, before moving on to T.H.U.M.S.) so I have some familiarity with concepts of law and jurisprudence (but not expert). I also ran a business before. I am not your typical young computer science nerd. I have experience in accounting, legal issues, and wide range of disciplines. Again I do not claim to be an expert in law, yet the above is really just common sense.
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That is also helps to discredit decentralized cryptocurrency so as to aid the acceptance and preference for the lack of permissionlessness in FacebooK’s Libra. Burning the fingertips of crypto fools up to their armpits is how to make the public view the lack of permissionlessness in Facebook Libra as an advantage over that “scam” of decentralized cryptocurrency which preceded Libra.
Also I had already explained in great detail how the miners who partake will be able to cash out of their free air-drop of Core shitcoins (to altcoins, fiat, etc) using Tether in a way that exchanges will be incapable of blacklisting. Go back to the Long-term advance notice thread and also find the posts I made on Steemit about that specific point.
Damnit I am so tired of reading this same nonsense point repeated after I have refuted it so many times. Why can’t you guys assimilate and remember what I write?
The Schelling point is only for maintaining the immutability of Satoshi’s protocol. There is no Schelling point around double-spending. Think it out. I explained this in great detail in the past and I am not going to repeat it all again or go digging to find the post where I did spoon fed the detailed logic. This is exhausting. I am not going to hold your hand every time you cross the street without looking both directions. Go lose your BTC in SegWit addresses. Lol.
Cripes would you sheepeople at least learn something about game theory before slobbering more nonsense.
Also I had already explained in great detail how the miners who partake will be able to cash out of their free air-drop of Core shitcoins (to altcoins, fiat, etc) using Tether in a way that exchanges will be incapable of blacklisting. Go back to the Long-term advance notice thread and also find the posts I made on Steemit about that specific point.
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If the miners could collaborate to steal the segwit booty, they could also collaborate to start double spending on it at any point.
Damnit I am so tired of reading this same nonsense point repeated after I have refuted it so many times. Why can’t you guys assimilate and remember what I write?
The Schelling point is only for maintaining the immutability of Satoshi’s protocol. There is no Schelling point around double-spending. Think it out. I explained this in great detail in the past and I am not going to repeat it all again or go digging to find the post where I did spoon fed the detailed logic. This is exhausting. I am not going to hold your hand every time you cross the street without looking both directions. Go lose your BTC in SegWit addresses. Lol.
Cripes would you sheepeople at least learn something about game theory before slobbering more nonsense.
The Schelling point has shifted to segwit. The fact that the Schelling point was 1mb two years ago is becoming less and less relevant. The Schelling point of money used to be seashells. These things change, and in the bitcoin world they change at incredible speed.
I expended great effort to explain in my prior post that political Schelling points are power vacuums. It seems as if that statement flew right over your head? Do you understand what a power vacuum means in that context and why it is an important point that refutes you?
You are conflating different concepts as if you have no holistic conceptualization of the interaction of power vacuums, stability of Schelling points, political deception, unforgeable costliness, application of law, etc.. Let’s see how to unravel this…
The transition from seashells to another form of money was not driven and sustained by a political decision that erected a power vacuum. It was driven by fundamental economics. Even when King Henry declared tally sticks to be legal tender, this was not (only) a political decision but rather sustained by a fundamental power that could not be effectively challenged as the King possessed the power to stably capture the power vacuum of governance for an extended epoch. I.e. there was no power vacuum causing instability in CONFIDENCE and STABILITY of the legal tender.
Schelling points are stable only if they involve a fundamental economics raison d'être, because a power vacuum is always unstable until a fundamental economic power captures it. The definition of power VACUUM means a lack of stable capture of the power. A “soft fork” that creates a booty is an intentional creation of a power VACUUM, that must be vacated eventually. Don’t repeat the same dumb arguments I already refuted many times over and over and over again, such as arguing that the Satoshi protocol would be hard forking away from the SegWit protocol. Nonsense. The Legacy address hodlers get tokens in both protocols. The SegWit address bagholders get only Core shitcoins. That is proof that Core is hard forking away, not vice versa.
The essence of politics is competition over who will capture the power vacuum.
Since Core promulgated a (quite deceptive) political Schelling point which is a power vacuum that can only be fully captured by restoring the Nash equilibrium of taking the $100+ billion SegWit booty, then we know without any doubt whatsoever that Core is not stable Schelling point. Deceptive because if Core had instead hardforked then the free market would have already decided and no booty and no loss of Nash equilibrium would have been possible. Core created the problem because they know if they hardforked off, they would have ended up as a shitcoin like BCH and BSV (which is where Core will end up when it is forced to fork off by the booty taking).
No, things don’t change with respect to Bitcoin otherwise it would have no value. If Bitcoin could change like the political wind, who the fuck would want to hodl the shit. Immutability is absolutely essential. It seems you really do not understand Nick Szabo’s unforgeable costliness and PlanB’s model of Bitcoin’s value.
The only thing that changed is that Core erected an ephemeral political power vacuum by fooling a lot of people. But Bitcoin itself never changed. This will become evident probably on May 2020.
If you think I am just making claims without sufficient unequivocal proof, then you apparently are sufficiently ignorant of the generative essence of politics. I cited Eric Raymond’s blog. The guy has north of a 152 IQ and there was a comment on that blog about power vacuums from a guy who has a ~165 IQ. Do you really think you’re in their league? Maybe you should take some time to study and reflect deeply on this? It seems to me you really haven’t thought through what a power vacuum is in this context. What a Nash equilibrium means. What a stable Schelling point is based on and requires. Etc.
Furthermore, you can't demonstrate conclusively that we're not at a Nash equilibrium currently. The linchpin of your entire theory is based on pure speculation that powerful elites will flood into TRB.
I'll publicly state that this is quite possible, but far from a certainty.
I'll publicly state that this is quite possible, but far from a certainty.
Of course I can demonstrate conclusively there is no Nash equilibrium other than the donations taking event. There is a $100+ billion (probably $400 billion by May 2020) booty for taking which (if even only a small fraction is recovered) can fund monopolizing (i.e. purchasing) all SHA256 ASIC production for multiple years. How will anyone compete for mining Core if they can’t get enough of the latest ASICs? How much more demonstration do you need? You going to wait until the overwhelming power of fundamental economic fact is demonstrated with the actual donations taking to then realize it was an undeniable fact?
You guys have attempted to argue that the donations taking Bitcoin would have no value. But I have become much more convicted with the announcement of Facebook Libra, because it is entirely obvious to me now that backing Libra with Bitcoin after the strong dollar vortex guarantees that Bitcoin will have $trillions in market cap valuation. And only an immutable Bitcoin will ever be accepted as a reserve asset. Who would accept a global reserve asset that was controlled by programmers mostly from the USA? Moreover who would hold or trust a reserve asset which can be “soft forked” by the manipulation of politics? Come on man.
I absolutely can’t fathom logically where your skepticism originates (other than I as I stated, you seemed bewildered so you apparently point at shadows/aphorisms and other forms aliasing error). You’ve made no statement that makes any sense to me whatsoever. Which is strange because I normally find you to be very astute and well reasoned.
Edit: After thinking about it some more, I'm willing to concede that if the right elites get involved, the other problems could disappear.
I began thinking about the 2008 housing crisis in the US, and how the elites committed fraud, crashed the economy, took millions of homes from people, and laughed all the way to the bank.
And no one went to jail. In fact, the government gave the banks more money, and executive bonuses hit new records. This seems to be an analogous situation to the segwit booty theft.
I began thinking about the 2008 housing crisis in the US, and how the elites committed fraud, crashed the economy, took millions of homes from people, and laughed all the way to the bank.
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And no one went to jail. In fact, the government gave the banks more money, and executive bonuses hit new records. This seems to be an analogous situation to the segwit booty theft.
You added this after I wrote the portion of my reply above.
How many examples of the global elite, Zionists banksters cleverly raping the sheepeople do you need?
And you don’t find Facebook Libra the least bit suspicious? What’s going on with that? Created by the CIA, etc.. I documented all of that already.
https://www.corbettreport.com/siliconvalley/
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3017716/facebooks-libra-forcing-china-step-plans-its-own
Libra + Bitcoin is precisely how they could plausibly get the monetary reset that Martin Armstrong knows is coming but (he) can’t yet fathom how they will accomplish it:
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/southeast_asia/thailand-the-new-safe-haven/
Armstrong has a lot of these sort of nuggets:
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/goldman-sachs-control-the-sec/
Their plan is already in plain view for those with powers of discernment.
Disclaimer: nothing in this post (and any of my writings) is to be construed as legal or investing advice. Readers please consult your own professional adviser.
Is that it? That's your debate? That didn't answer the question. But what rational exchange would give your apocalypse-coin, the chain which miners can STEAL Segwit outputs, the BTC ticker?
You do not reason, that my rebuttal implies also that the assignment of a ticker symbol and other forms of politicized optics is irrelevant.
Hundreds? Can you name some of them? I believe there's none.
I won’t allow you to waste my time with your apparent ignorance of the s/w industry. Believe whatever you want to believe.
Somehow China, Russia, USA, Japan can send satellites into outer-space but you think only a few guys on this planet can write software and incorporate cryptography.
Craig Wright dont control bitcoin. He controls bitcoin SV, which is a fork of bitcoin cash.
I have not based my stance on any claim that Craig controls Bitcoin at this time. When the donations taking begins, the snowball effect will likely send most miners fleeing to get their share of the donations. I already detailed the posited mechanics and economics in prior comments on my blog and other forum thread, which includes how Craig+Arye’s SQR (boosted by a cool $billion or so extracted from the initial attack such as the massive short position they will have, etc) can in theory possibly crater the Core BitcOn hashrate after running the price skyhigh right at the halving thus bankrupting miners who don’t mine for donations taking. I am not going to spoon feed every 110 IQ bunny rabbit that comes along here and repeats the same nonsense which I already refuted before.
Whatever he tries to attempt, I dont believe miners will follow him.
What does your beliefs have to do with anything? What is your IQ maybe 110? Where are your facts and relevant economic and game theory arguments?
They didnt follow the bitcoin cash fork in the first place, and even the ones who followed it, didnt follow to the SV fork after that.
Yet Craig crashed the Bitcoin price and presumably made a fortune shorting.
Bitmain, which is one of the biggest, stayed with bitcoin and bitcoin cash. There is only one company mining bitcoin SV, which is controlled by Craig Wright.
Bitcoin the company which had to abandon its ICO and appears to be in dire financial straits, thus likely very desperate when Craig crashes the hashrate. Jihan Wu was more than once in Israel presumably meeting with his Zionist masters.
Also Bitcoin has very wealthy customers. You have no idea who they are and what their intentions and plans are.
Bitcoin miners had signalled Segwit after the bitcoin cash fork,
The Zionists love how stupid goyim are. Signaling. Bwahaha.
“But you can’t take my BTC because miners signaled, huhuhu, all my BTC is gone poof, but you signaled, huhuhu”. Fucking sheepeople retards deserve exactly what they going to get.
[…] and even if Segwit had some problems, the network recognizes its address formats.
Only the Core protocol “soft fork” does.
Segwit addresses didnt have retrievable private keys in 0.15
That has nothing to do with what we are discussing. The fact that you do not realize this, is indicative that you do not know what you are doing.
, but now they have, so what do we have here? We have a sophisticated attempt at FUD, to create panic and make people exchange their bitcoins for fiat money.
There’s no FUD. And I didn't advocate anyone selling BTC just because of this. I advocated hodling in Legacy addresses.
If such "donations mechanism" exists, miners will not touch it, because it would cause a desynch in the network and, consequently, a hard fork.
Indeed. But you are not considering all the factors that the miners will be faced with after Core is forced to hard fuck off. Such as a cratering price which means a cratering income for miners because the difficulty will not adjust downward for some weeks or perhaps months. It is going to be absolute devastation for Core miners. You fool.
Also the price would go down due to the FUD created by such action, and the so-called billions of dollars of the "Segwit booty" would value only some millions. Its just a matter of game theory: miners would shoot at their own feet if they mess with the address structure. They would kill their own industry.
The entire point is to crash the price dimwit. Craig will have already cashed via shorting on the exchanges, and dumping his preloaded Core airdrop shitcoins to Tether or alts.
You have no fucking clue what you are writing about.
Craig will be able to extract perhaps $billion immediately and the long-term plan is probably in the $100s of billions. The legacy Bitcoin will eventually recover in price.
Craig Wright dont control bitcoin. He controls bitcoin SV, which is a fork of bitcoin cash.
Whatever he tries to attempt, I dont believe miners will follow him. They didnt follow the bitcoin cash fork in the first place, and even the ones who followed it, didnt follow to the SV fork after that. Bitmain, which is one of the biggest, stayed with bitcoin and bitcoin cash. There is only one company mining bitcoin SV, which is controlled by Craig Wright.
Bitcoin miners had signalled Segwit after the bitcoin cash fork, and even if Segwit had some problems, the network recognizes its address formats. Segwit addresses didnt have retrievable private keys in 0.15, but now they have, so what do we have here? We have a sophisticated attempt at FUD, to create panic and make people exchange their bitcoins for fiat money.
If such "donations mechanism" exists, miners will not touch it, because it would cause a desynch in the network and, consequently, a hard fork. Also the price would go down due to the FUD created by such action, and the so-called billions of dollars of the "Segwit booty" would value only some millions. Its just a matter of game theory: miners would shoot at their own feet if they mess with the address structure. They would kill their own industry.
Whatever he tries to attempt, I dont believe miners will follow him. They didnt follow the bitcoin cash fork in the first place, and even the ones who followed it, didnt follow to the SV fork after that. Bitmain, which is one of the biggest, stayed with bitcoin and bitcoin cash. There is only one company mining bitcoin SV, which is controlled by Craig Wright.
Bitcoin miners had signalled Segwit after the bitcoin cash fork, and even if Segwit had some problems, the network recognizes its address formats. Segwit addresses didnt have retrievable private keys in 0.15, but now they have, so what do we have here? We have a sophisticated attempt at FUD, to create panic and make people exchange their bitcoins for fiat money.
If such "donations mechanism" exists, miners will not touch it, because it would cause a desynch in the network and, consequently, a hard fork. Also the price would go down due to the FUD created by such action, and the so-called billions of dollars of the "Segwit booty" would value only some millions. Its just a matter of game theory: miners would shoot at their own feet if they mess with the address structure. They would kill their own industry.
But which exchange/exchanges will give it the BTC ticker? I believe NONE. It will be another worthless chain that no one would value, or care about, like the other forked-coins.
As if the King of England needed anybody but himself when he declared that only tally sticks were legal tender. This is analogously what will happens when the global elite after some years pass, declare that real Bitcoin is the backing reserve for Facebook’s Libra, after the fake/forgery Core Bitcoin fork is destroyed because all you fools misconfigured your wallets to receive UTXO in “anyone can spend” addresses— addresses for a protocol with unrecognized signatures. Lol.
You ostensibly watch too much Hollywood fiction and cartoons. Stop looking at the arses of the other sheepeople around you (and your sheepeople corral exchanges) and look out at the world without the rose-colored glasses and perceive reality.
Is that it? That's your debate? That didn't answer the question. But what rational exchange would give your apocalypse-coin, the chain which miners can STEAL Segwit outputs, the BTC ticker?
Plus who will be the developers your apocalypse-coin?
Lol. Maybe myself.
Seriously man, there are 100s of capable programmers. The Bitcoin Foundation (funded by a real Bitcoin $billionaire) is actively improving the original Satoshi “v0.1” (v0.5.3) client and preparing for the upcoming event.
Hundreds? Can you name some of them? I believe there's none.
